VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[Stonethrower]

Jeez do not like a path just go with the vanilla Patreon version.
Want the path as an option go with the non Patreon confirming version!

 

[Joshy92]

Well, I could talk about my dream of helping Cassie get some hot lesbian action
I would love for her to be my girlfriend, and we go pick up some hot chick for her.

Did you all see how she was dressed in those recent teasers? my goodness, she was so hot.

 

[ffive]

Well, it's one thing to see it play out in a porn VN and be like "pfft, what an immature idiot this Guy," because it's just a porn VN; but in the real world, that shit would scare the fucking shit out of you. What if someone did that to your sister? Come on, you can't convince me you'd be making this argument.

I'm not sure what is really your argument here. If some idiot did such thing to someone i know? I would be pissed off at him. I'd feel bad for the person who was the target. But it wouldn't make me think that the culprit is any less of immature, sexist idiot than a fictional character doing it in a game. One that should be preferably isolated so he couldn't do this shit to anyone else, but an utter moron nonetheless. This sort of idiocy isn't scary, it's just pathetic.

It doesn't really matter if on some level it's petty, or immature, or 'silly' or something, all that matters is it's ultimately dehumanizing and threatening and mentally unstable; obviously it's not real, it's just a story, but I think the feeling of 'this could actually happen' is what Neon was going for, for the player to engross themselves enough into the story so that they see it play out in their head as if it were real; that's how I tend to read good stories, anyways.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Just because an idiot is trying to dehumanize his victim does not mean i'm obliged to subscribe to his deranged point of view, to treat it as if that's all it matters and to not give his bullshit all derision it deserves instead, preferably to his face. I think freaking out and getting "scared shitless" and treating them like some sort of thriller/horror movie villain is nothing but playing right in hands of such people, and i have no interest in enabling them. Quite the opposite.

Brent trying to get Nicki to swing on a strip pole or prostitute herself to pad his bank account is one thing, it's extremely selfish, but what dark Guy did is a whole other kind of fucked up, and Brent would've been one part angry and two parts terrified. I could be misremembering, but I feel like the dark route especially leans into this when Brent comes to 'rescue' Nicki in chp 10, it really justifies it actually; instead of looking like a fucking prick who can't take rejection, he comes off as someone setting aside his self-interest to help someone he cares about that's truly in danger. Of course, with this chp 1 rewrite, that's gonna change.

Brent "coming to Nicki's rescue" after all he'd done is pretty laughable in general, but i'd say it's especially laughable on the dark path, given he's spent months hiding out of town with apparently zero fucks given about stuff Dark Guy did to his girlfriend, instead of actually reacting to it in some manner a person who actually cared about the victim would. But now look out world, Brent is coming all way back to town... so he can then run from Guy like a little bitch.

(i don't mean it in the sense the story is bad or it's somehow out of character for Brent to act in this way. I think it's quite in character for him, it's just unfortunately for Brent his "character" is both a fucking prick and a clown)

 

[Pixillin']

I'm not sure what is really your argument here. If some idiot did such thing to someone i know? I would be pissed off at him. I'd feel bad for the person who was the target. But it wouldn't make me think that the culprit is any less of immature, sexist idiot than a fictional character doing it in a game. One that should be preferably isolated so he couldn't do this shit to anyone else, but an utter moron nonetheless. This sort of idiocy isn't scary, it's just pathetic.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Just because an idiot is trying to dehumanize his victim does not mean i'm obliged to subscribe to his deranged point of view, to treat it as if that's all it matters and to not give his bullshit all derision it deserves instead, preferably to his face. I think freaking out and getting "scared shitless" and treating them like some sort of thriller/horror movie villain is nothing but playing right in hands of such people, and i have no interest in enabling them. Quite the opposite.


Brent "coming to Nicki's rescue" after all he'd done is pretty laughable in general, but i'd say it's especially laughable on the dark path, given he's spent months hiding out of town with apparently zero fucks given about stuff Dark Guy did to his girlfriend, instead of actually reacting to it in some manner a person who actually cared about the victim would. But now look out world, Brent is coming all way back to town... so he can then run from Guy like a little bitch.

(i don't mean it in the sense the story is bad or it's somehow out of character for Brent to act in this way. I think it's quite in character for him, it's just unfortunately for Brent his "character" is both a fucking prick and a clown)

It's especially silly if you're on the good path - then he's coming to 'rescue' her from the multi-millionaire who took her in when she had nothing, treats her like a princess, gave her an apartment and a good job - working from home. "Hey honey, remember me? I was your boyfriend AND your pimp - it was a lot of work, but I did if for US. Don't worry, I've come to save you from all this leisure and wealth!"

 

[ffive]

Don't worry, I've come to save you from all this leisure and wealth!"

Brent will save Nicki from getting all soft and spoiled. He's the hero we (and especially Nicki) don't deserve.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, I don’t know what to say anymore. I hope this thread goes back to being at least somewhat positive about the game at some point. Personally I liked the new chapter 1. It was exactly what Neon said it was going to be, and I thought it added a lot of depth to the main characters and their backgrounds. It also clarified what kind of person Nicky was and her relationship with the MC. I hope the people that hated it find another game they like because I’m pretty sure that Chapter 1 isn’t going to change again. At any rate, I'm done trying to argue with them.

tbh this thread has always been toxic. So I only look at it here and there

 

[Dessolos]

No, it hasn't, neither this thread nor F95Zone overall. These forums have great mods (even though they tend to remove my comments pretty regularly ), who are quick to remove offensive and off-topic content. People who think this is toxic either don't remember how the internet was in the 2000s or are living in echo chambers.

can't agree with that with all the times ive seen arguments over Mason , over zealous dark path conversations and other varies topics from time to time. Yeah the mods do a good job at cleaning it up most of the time but it's enough that I rarely enjoy this thread and only look at once in while out of boredom. To me if I don't enjoy the thread it usually means it's toxic and that is my point of view and opinion of this thread.

 

[yossa999]

I like how the dev changed Nicki, not to mention reworking the outdated visuals.

Now she is as close as possible to the Nicki I imagined: kind, patient, empathetic, optimistic, rather naive girl and probably Guy's only real friend in many years. She is definitely the kind of person whose presence can save your day when you are down. As a cynic, such naivety even irritates me a little, how the fuck can you believe Brent's bullshit for years and swallow his next lie. How could she even get along with him, what do they have in common? Just sex?

Well, if being naive and trusting people is punishable - she learned her lesson the hard way. And I like that despite that she still hasn't lost her old self, even if the Guy treats her like shit, her conversation with Carolina's kid is a very nice and touching scene on any route.

So thanks Neon, great work, I liked it.


BTW, speaking of the poll, It's very simple actually, you just go to the off-topic section and start a thread there
https://f95zone.to/forums/off-topic.106/
When you set up the new thread you can choose "post a poll" option and set up the poll you want. Now people can vote in your thread and discuss the poll and whatever they want, cause the thread is off-topic.

There's just one small problem here. At least someone other than its poster should give a fuck about it. Otherwise, the thread will quickly sink, and the poster will not get the attention to their complaints that they collect in the main thread.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

A poll would be pretty pointless considering it's not going to change anything; the author is going to do whatever he wants, so why mislead people into thinking it's going to affect the design? If you just want it to win an argument, seems kind of petty.

I'm not sure what is really your argument here. If some idiot did such thing to someone i know? I would be pissed off at him. I'd feel bad for the person who was the target. But it wouldn't make me think that the culprit is any less of immature, sexist idiot than a fictional character doing it in a game. One that should be preferably isolated so he couldn't do this shit to anyone else, but an utter moron nonetheless. This sort of idiocy isn't scary, it's just pathetic.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Just because an idiot is trying to dehumanize his victim does not mean i'm obliged to subscribe to his deranged point of view, to treat it as if that's all it matters and to not give his bullshit all derision it deserves instead, preferably to his face. I think freaking out and getting "scared shitless" and treating them like some sort of thriller/horror movie villain is nothing but playing right in hands of such people, and i have no interest in enabling them. Quite the opposite.


Brent "coming to Nicki's rescue" after all he'd done is pretty laughable in general, but i'd say it's especially laughable on the dark path, given he's spent months hiding out of town with apparently zero fucks given about stuff Dark Guy did to his girlfriend, instead of actually reacting to it in some manner a person who actually cared about the victim would. But now look out world, Brent is coming all way back to town... so he can then run from Guy like a little bitch.

(i don't mean it in the sense the story is bad or it's somehow out of character for Brent to act in this way. I think it's quite in character for him, it's just unfortunately for Brent his "character" is both a fucking prick and a clown)

I guess we just disagree. No offense, but I feel like you're coming at it from a cold and distant, analytical point of view. Dark Guy is a pathetic loser, but the shit he does is scary and off-putting because it's so violent and insane. It's like the incels who run their cars into crowds or go on shooting sprees; they may be pathetic losers, but the harm they do is terrifying. Someone writing horrible things on you is an insulting trespass of personal space by itself, but if all dark Guy did was write obscenities on Nicki, sure... it's silly I guess... but combined with all the other things he did, it adds to the disturbing ick factor.

 

[Pixillin']

A poll would be pretty pointless considering it's not going to change anything; the author is going to do whatever he wants, so why mislead people into thinking it's going to affect the design? If you just want it to win an argument, seems kind of petty.

Even when I've seen Devs do polls, it's not binding. It's just to kind of guage mood or find out what kind of content people are interested in, or which Lis they like the most. They generally don't have much impact, regardless.

 

[Dessolos]

Even when I've seen Devs do polls, it's not binding. It's just to kind of guage mood or find out what kind of content people are interested in, or which Lis they like the most. They generally don't have much impact, regardless.

depends on the game really. I've heard some games are ran almost entirely by polls and ruin games granted alot of those are NTR or sharing games. Even some games start fine and they after awhile they tend to let polls dedicate to much of the type of content that is added. Which is why I hate polls if it isn't anything beyond cosmetics.

 

[Pixillin']

depends on the game really. I've heard some games are ran almost entirely by polls and ruin games granted alot of those are NTR or sharing games. Even some games start fine and they after awhile they tend to let polls dedicate to much of the type of content that is added. Which is why I hate polls if it isn't anything beyond cosmetics.

I haven't run into any that are that bad - but I've seen Devs do a sort of "I have 4 events coming up, which one do you want first" kinda thing.

 

[Dessolos]

I haven't run into any that are that bad - but I've seen Devs do a sort of "I have 4 events coming up, which one do you want first" kinda thing.

It's more rare with story focused games but ive seen a few or even heard of some that get changed entirely into a game that is different how it used to be because of polls. But we don't have to worry about that here

 

[yossa999]

depends on the game really. I've heard some games are ran almost entirely by polls and ruin games granted alot of those are NTR or sharing games. Even some games start fine and they after awhile they tend to let polls dedicate to much of the type of content that is added. Which is why I hate polls if it isn't anything beyond cosmetics.

If Neon actually started a poll about how he should develop his story and followed its conclusion, I would most likely unsubscribe from him, since it is no longer his game and vision, but the average zoner's. It's not that it's a bad thing, it's just that I don't really care for it.

 

[Ragnar]

A poll would be great , it could actually fix a bunch of issues and finally give some folks a reason to be quiet. I’m curious too, but apparently that’s asking too much.

Not really, devs should make the game they want to make first and foremost. Changing things based on some poll is a bad idea, you can end making a game about furries or whatever when that's not even your thing.
Feedback is useful and devs can make changes based on it, but changing the basics of your story to please the crowd is a fast way to burn out and the abandoned tag.

 

[Nerv_rr]

Not really, devs should make the game they want to make first and foremost. Changing things based on some poll is a bad idea, you can end making a game about furries or whatever when that's not even your thing.
Feedback is useful and devs can make changes based on it, but changing the basics of your story to please the crowd is a fast way to burn out and the abandoned tag.

the poll is for seeing how many peaple liked it or not , not trying to change anything in the story

 

[armond]

the poll is for seeing how many peaple liked it or not , not trying to change anything in the story

Heh, I've got a pole for ya, and the ladies love it

 

[Nerv_rr]

Heh, I've got a pole for ya, and the ladies love it

do you dance on it

 

[Lykanzz]

Me after finding out its being remade

 

[soldano]

A poll would be great , it could actually fix a bunch of issues and finally give some folks a reason to be quiet. I’m curious too, but apparently that’s asking too much.

No, please. No polls. The remake bored me, but developers should make the game they want. Even if they screw up. And if they decide to change course, let it be because they believe in it. Almost every game where the developer has listened to polls has ended up being a disaster. Basically, because that's not the story they wanted to tell.
And, of course, what they should never do is be swayed by the majority opinion. If they listen to criticism and internalize it (which they should), they should reflect on it later. Taking it on board because the masses want it that way, without meaning it, is a recipe for a bad story.