VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[Ropyl]

Spoiler: it's Risa. She'd go all the way to staying barefoot in the kitchen just to please her daddy and get a praise out of him.

If we're veering away from the modern definition of a trad wife so much that Risa can be one, the right answer is obviously Nikki : loving, caring, devoted, Nikki, submissive if treated properly, etc.

Viola is an easy answer. I won't comment further on her, so easy an answer she is.

Pepper is the only interestingly weird yet appropriate choice. Although she would make a better "trad mom" than "trad wife" in my opinion.

But my only real conclusion is : fuck trad wives. I want interesting and "alive" women, not submissive toys or brain-dead human beings... But that's just me. I have my issues with modern feminism (as, I guess, most people on this fucked-up forum) but the return of trad wives is a plague on modern society. That's another subject.

 

[Eland51298]

Ok, so, I know the whole tradwife thing can have a lot of sexist baggage with it, and it probably doesn't really fit this game and its characters, but... I was thinking about who'd make the best tradwife of the bunch?

Any LI, if dark MC breaks them and rebuilds in a way that suits him ;D

 

[The Anti]

Ok, so, I know the whole tradwife thing can have a lot of sexist baggage with it, and it probably doesn't really fit this game and its characters, but... I was thinking about who'd make the best tradwife of the bunch?

Carolina and Madison are the oldest and are already mothers who do all the usual homemaking stuff, but they don't give those vibes to me; they seem very independent and progressive. Maybe, though?

Out of everyone, Mason honestly seems like the one who'd want to take that role up, albeit probably more as a kink of his rather than any belief or principle.

A very amusing surprise would be Pepper; sure, she's a fiery rebel, but she has a tender, caregiving streak if you make a connection with her. Ok, so that's really thin justification... I really don't think it fits what we've seen of her thus far; she wants to be a writer and, similar to Carolina and Madison, and really all the LIs, she feels independent and progressive. But, but, but... it'd be funny and pretty interesting from a character-subversion angle if that's what she wanted out of life, once you get past all her defenses; to settle down with a family on a farm or some shit and take care of the hubbie, the kids, and the home. She'd probably even feel embarrassed about it.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

But my only real conclusion is : fuck trad wives. I want interesting and "alive" women, not submissive toys or brain-dead human beings...

*Fuck the men and women who demand a specific kind of woman as the superior one.

But yeah, trad wives in the XXI century seem to have missed the memo on what it took to get here. Not my kink.

And completely agree, human behaving humans - and characters- should be more normalized, another great feature of Neon Ghosts writing. These women have their own hobbies, careers, and dreams, independent from the MC.

 

[Ragnar]

If we're veering away from the modern definition of a trad wife so much that Risa can be one, the right answer is obviously Nikki : loving, caring, devoted, Nikki, submissive if treated properly, etc.

Viola is an easy answer. I won't comment further on her, so easy an answer she is.

Pepper is the only interestingly weird yet appropriate choice. Although she would make a better "trad mom" than "trad wife" in my opinion.

But my only real conclusion is : fuck trad wives. I want interesting and "alive" women, not submissive toys or brain-dead human beings... But that's just me. I have my issues with modern feminism (as, I guess, most people on this fucked-up forum) but the return of trad wives is a plague on modern society. That's another subject.

I prefer a traditional woman, not talking about tiktok attention whores, than a rider of the cock carousel any time of the day. Traditional women are real humans too you know

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

But my only real conclusion is : fuck trad wives. I want interesting and "alive" women, not submissive toys or brain-dead human beings... But that's just me. I have my issues with modern feminism (as, I guess, most people on this fucked-up forum) but the return of trad wives is a plague on modern society. That's another subject.

I think there are two branches of 'tradwife': the sexist kind where men, and some women but especially men, harken back to a time where women's place was only the home and hearth, and that's where they belong; and then the second kind is a woman choosing for herself, based on her own values and proclivities. One's toxic, and the other is just a woman's choice that I think people should respect. So, I purposefully chose the wording 'sexist baggage' because I don't think it has to be sexist, and in fact I was leaning into the more wholesome interpretation. Maybe that's not how most people mean it, but it's how I meant it anyways, just to clarify.

I'm glad we agree on Pepper, though! This is honestly going to be my Pepper fantasy going forward.

And, I guess if we entertain 'reluctant tradwife' via a toxic romance route, then really any of the LIs could potentially be that, but especially LIs that crave approval and acceptance. So, really, Risa is kinda perfect for that if you think about it, imo. In that light, so are Nicki, Brit, Gabby, and Mason (though, the first three can be really headstrong about certain things, so who knows). But, not a true 'wholesome tradwife', I agree with you there.

 

[Lightaces]

But my only real conclusion is : fuck trad wives. I want interesting and "alive" women, not submissive toys or brain-dead human beings... But that's just me. I have my issues with modern feminism (as, I guess, most people on this fucked-up forum) but the return of trad wives is a plague on modern society. That's another subject.

I absolutely endorse the idea of fucking trad wives. Letting them experience great sex is the best way to show them what they are missing, and undo the brainwashing that got them into that mess in the first place!

(Have you noticed that, like, 95% of men who want Trad Wives couldn't afford to be a sole earner in a one income family? How little self-reflection can one do?)

 

[Ropyl]

I think there are two branches of 'tradwife': the sexist kind where men, and some women but especially men, harken back to a time where women's place was only the home and hearth, and that's where they belong; and then the second kind is a woman choosing for herself, based on her own values and proclivities. One's toxic, and the other is just a woman's choice that I think people should respect. So, I purposefully chose the wording 'sexist baggage' because I don't think it has to be sexist, and in fact I was leaning into the more wholesome interpretation. Maybe that's not how most people mean it, but it's how I meant it anyways, just to clarify.

I'm glad we agree on Pepper, though! This is honestly going to be my Pepper fantasy going forward.

And, I guess if we entertain 'reluctant tradwife' via a toxic romance route, then really any of the LIs could potentially be that, but especially LIs that crave approval and acceptance. So, really, Risa is kinda perfect for that if you think about it, imo. In that light, so are Nicki, Brit, Gabby, and Mason (though, the first three can be really headstrong about certain things, so who knows). But, not a true 'wholesome tradwife', I agree with you there.

Yeah okay maybe I was a little quick to judge, my bad. In my mind, "trad wife" covers only the sexist, stuck-in-the-past definition and I maybe got triggered a bit.
I can get behind the idea of chosing voluntarily to be a stay-at-home-mom as that would be my dream-life (but as a stay-at-home-dad and without the dad part), but the modern propaganda that shows the lives of women in the past, without rights or agenda, as a perfect model is obviously destructive. I think to me it's tradwives vs stay-at-home-moms, but that's just semantics. Your "wholesome tradwife" is my "stay-at-home-mom/wife".
Anyway.
I've seen Risa mentionned a few times but... I just see her as a getting-high-buddy, so not really tradwife (or whatever!) material. I'd spend a real nice time between her and Nikki, one passing the joint, the other passing a beer... Best fuck buddies ever! Now that I think about it, a threesome with those two never crossed my mind but now that it's there, uh...UH.

I prefer a traditional woman, not talking about tiktok attention whores, than a rider of the cock carousel any time of the day. Traditional women are real humans too you know

I think reducing the choices to "traditional woman" or "rider of the cock carousel" (which is an awesome expression btw, made me lol) is...well, reductive. Very modern, but very reductive. But as I've said above, to me "tradwife" does come with a heavy baggage so when I imply they are not human beings, I mean they are not free individuals, with an agenda and their own minds (because, again, to me "tradwife" implies the imposition of that lifestyle by a man or a societal environnment or whatever). Again, mainly just semantics.
To each his own and I (not obviously) meant no offense. As long as people chose their lifestyle freely (as freely as possible, as nobody lives in a vaccuum), it's aight.

I too often forget we're here to discuss the game, not politics, and that's my bad. Apologies all around.

 

[Ragnar]

Yeah okay maybe I was a little quick to judge, my bad. In my mind, "trad wife" covers only the sexist, stuck-in-the-past definition and I maybe got triggered a bit.
I can get behind the idea of chosing voluntarily to be a stay-at-home-mom as that would be my dream-life (but as a stay-at-home-dad and without the dad part), but the modern propaganda that shows the lives of women in the past, without rights or agenda, as a perfect model is obviously destructive. I think to me it's tradwives vs stay-at-home-moms, but that's just semantics. Your "wholesome tradwife" is my "stay-at-home-mom/wife".
Anyway.
I've seen Risa mentionned a few times but... I just see her as a getting-high-buddy, so not really tradwife (or whatever!) material. I'd spend a real nice time between her and Nikki, one passing the joint, the other passing a beer... Best fuck buddies ever! Now that I think about it, a threesome with those two never crossed my mind but now that it's there, uh...UH.




I think reducing the choices to "traditional woman" or "rider of the cock carousel" (which is an awesome expression btw, made me lol) is...well, reductive. Very modern, but very reductive. But as I've said above, to me "tradwife" does come with a heavy baggage so when I imply they are not human beings, I mean they are not free individuals, with an agenda and their own minds (because, again, to me "tradwife" implies the imposition of that lifestyle by a man or a societal environnment or whatever). Again, mainly just semantics.
To each his own and I (not obviously) meant no offense. As long as people chose their lifestyle freely (as freely as possible, as nobody lives in a vaccuum), it's aight.

I too often forget we're here to discuss the game, not politics, and that's my bad. Apologies all around.

I think calling a promiscuos woman a cock rider is less reductive than calling traditional women dinosaurs from the past.
Being traditional is not about giving less rights to women. The Handmaid's Tale is only real in the minds of turbofeminists.
But I digress, what we need is an update to stop the off-topic.

 

[Ropyl]

But I digress, what we need is an update to stop the off-topic.

That, we can agree on!
I haven't touched the game in a while except for checking out the rework and I'mma need to scratch that itch soon! Even just replaying the end of (the full) Season One, it's been a long time...
Maybe instead of this kind of off-topic we can all join in a mass ritual to summon new content? We'll need to sacrifice a virgin... I'd propose Viola but half of the forum will hunt me down if I do.

 

[soprano31]

We'll need to sacrifice a virgin... I'd propose Viola but half of the forum will hunt me down if I do.

If you want to get the Russian mafia behind you,you should definitely do this..

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Yeah okay maybe I was a little quick to judge, my bad. In my mind, "trad wife" covers only the sexist, stuck-in-the-past definition and I maybe got triggered a bit.
I can get behind the idea of chosing voluntarily to be a stay-at-home-mom as that would be my dream-life (but as a stay-at-home-dad and without the dad part), but the modern propaganda that shows the lives of women in the past, without rights or agenda, as a perfect model is obviously destructive. I think to me it's tradwives vs stay-at-home-moms, but that's just semantics. Your "wholesome tradwife" is my "stay-at-home-mom/wife".
Anyway.
I've seen Risa mentionned a few times but... I just see her as a getting-high-buddy, so not really tradwife (or whatever!) material. I'd spend a real nice time between her and Nikki, one passing the joint, the other passing a beer... Best fuck buddies ever! Now that I think about it, a threesome with those two never crossed my mind but now that it's there, uh...UH.




I think reducing the choices to "traditional woman" or "rider of the cock carousel" (which is an awesome expression btw, made me lol) is...well, reductive. Very modern, but very reductive. But as I've said above, to me "tradwife" does come with a heavy baggage so when I imply they are not human beings, I mean they are not free individuals, with an agenda and their own minds (because, again, to me "tradwife" implies the imposition of that lifestyle by a man or a societal environnment or whatever). Again, mainly just semantics.
To each his own and I (not obviously) meant no offense. As long as people chose their lifestyle freely (as freely as possible, as nobody lives in a vaccuum), it's aight.

I too often forget we're here to discuss the game, not politics, and that's my bad. Apologies all around.

Nah, to be fair... I don't really talk about tradwives as a subject really ever, sooo... maybe it is understood in the toxic meaning most of the time. I've only ever seen the meme, and I thought it was funny. But yes, basically I guess I'm talking about stay-at-home moms.

And with Risa, I totally get what you're saying, and you're not wrong, but... I guess what I'm imagining is this: so, Risa has daddy issues, I think because (armchair psychologist incoming) she didn't get the love she needed as a child from him, which as a child she probably internalized as "I'm unlovable" or "I'm not good enough" or "love is earned, not freely given". This would explain her addiction problems and her tendency to avoid commitment (she only sees disappointment ahead), and this mentality would carry into all of her relationships, especially with men.

So, if we imagine a Risa that falls in love with Guy, and deep down probably wants more than just 420 fuck-buddy (her indicating otherwise is probably defense mechanism), she would likely feel beholden to what Guy wants from her or what he wants her to be moreso than a woman with a healthy mentality and attachment style. She would feel like Guy's love is conditional, and what does she probably fear most? Rejection from her loved ones. That's just my opinion, obviously I don't know how the author sees his own character or what his plans are.

 

[Anonymus912]

The protagonist is wealthy. Hopefully, there's a way to help Nicki change again—maybe remove the tattoo and so on. There's nothing money can't fix. I like her, but right now she looks like a five dollar whore.

I agree. Would be great if this was added to the plot. Im not really into the overlly tanned and tattooed look.

 

[Lightaces]

That, we can agree on!
I haven't touched the game in a while except for checking out the rework and I'mma need to scratch that itch soon! Even just replaying the end of (the full) Season One, it's been a long time...
Maybe instead of this kind of off-topic we can all join in a mass ritual to summon new content? We'll need to sacrifice a virgin... I'd propose Viola but half of the forum will hunt me down if I do.

It's coming soon. It would come faster, but the Discord of supporters keep making Neon add more renders. There were, like, 20-30 extra renders we demanded the other day. Most people won't even see them, if he does it the way we were asking for.