HentaiWriter

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My dilemma is that from what I have seen there is little me in terms of H content, but I would really like to see a game like FF with a male PC and female NPCs.
But with you guys having 9-5 office jobs I won't see it before 2033... XD
Oh no, we work full time on our games, but we won't be doing platformers for a long while after Future Fragments, as we want each new game to be a different genre/aesthetic/mechanics etc.

However, if you want a game like ours with malePC and female NPCs;
https://f95zone.to/threads/book-of-korvald-v0-5-21-punching-donut.51901/

Our next game (Eroding Ego) will also be malePC with female NPCs, but it'll be a hybrid of an adventure game, point n' click, visual novel, and arena battler, so no platforming there.
 

FutureHUD

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If you feel your money's been wasted, you can ask for a full refund, full stop. So can anyone else. People literally cannot complain about "their money being wasted" or "being scammed out of money" because we straight up give full refunds.
First time i have heard of this. but it doesn¨t matter because....

If you backed us for more than $20, why would you buy it? You've already got a copy coming.
yeah, i forgot that i pledged that tier back then, i retract. May aswell stick with it to the end because my heart can't take taking money from someone in debt.

There is no manager in the world that could have made the game come out faster than it has, without cutting even more content or releasing the game incomplete. And as we refuse to cut anymore content than we already have, and we refuse to release the game incomplete, it's not poor management, it's sticking to our guns to deliver what we promised, as best as we're able.
we are seeing poor management now by you taking time writing out these detailed replies rather than working on the game. And perhaps not faster, but without constant delays.

Modern gaming has unfortunately created a mentality of "releasing games as soon as possible and then finishing them over the next few years", which is both terrible for the consumer and only realistically possible with AAA games that have $250,000,000+ marketing budget (not an exaggeration) to remind consumers 5 years down the road that the game is NOW finally complete.
thing is, those companies are held by the balls by shareholders and general bureaucracy who want games out on this time.

You are not bound by bureaucracy.

No one is forcing you to a certain deadline. You're self-publishing, you set your own deadline, and considering how much work there still was to do, i'm still wondering how you ever thought you could get them out by that time?

Please understand that it is not so much that it's taking so long, it's the constant deadlines that aren't met, time after time.

Which could have been prevented if you had set an Indefinite delay on the first one while still providing these updates.

Not personally attacking you with this; just giving more clarity to the realism of this list and how things are skewed on it and how people might also have a skewed perspective on the workload for our game, and myself specifically.
you misunderstand me. This wasn't to discredit your work. This was to temper the expectations of people i have seen that are becoming way too hyped at the word count, that unfortunately isn't a lot. ME can be finished in a day, if you ignore side content, and your work is about the same length. And i bet most of those words are for those 80 endings you're making.

it's impressive given your already insane workload, but let's not pretend you are writing a novel and not a script for a visual medium.

my point remains that the actual word count is not impressive for an rpg. Your workload, is impressive.

Additionally, all they had to do was write. I had to do the additional tasks during development, by myself, alongside writing;
Maybe you should focus on those then.

No matter how you scratch it, the current discourse here is one of your own making.
 

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First time i have heard of this. but it doesn¨t matter because....
TBH, not sure how, since I broadcast the refund thing all the time here and other places, but at least I'm glad you know about it now.

we are seeing poor management now by you taking time writing out these detailed replies rather than working on the game. And perhaps not faster, but without constant delays.
I make it a rule to always multi-task if possible; I only take a few minutes to write these replies, and when I do so, I do it while something else is going on that would prevent me from writing/doing other focused work.

ex. important phone calls, or on the toilet, or about to go to sleep, things where it would be too much of a distraction to focus on writing and maintaining story continuity and other things that require a lot of brain power, but writing a reply in a forum is a lot easier than doing writing for the game, so I can do both things at once.

The reply I initially wrote to you, for the record, took 12 minutes.

The delays, all of them, have been entirely because of a specific cycle;

- go to implement thing we've been planning to implement for years, estimate it will take 2 weeks to implement
- spend 2 weeks implementing it
- realize that it's not fun / is severely broken / has other issues
- discuss how to rework it or if we can afford to scrap it altogether without ruining the game
- either rework it or scrap it and adjust the rest of the game as such
- thing that was supposed to take 2 weeks has now taken a month
- repeat with half of the content in the game

We don't want to just slap something in and go "well, it's not fun, but hey, need to get it out ASAP at all costs, let's just leave this un-fun thing in there" like many companies and games do. Think of your favorite video game; can you think of portions that are just boring, poorly designed, unfair, unfun, etc.? That's the result of those companies just drilling content out and not going back to refine it or adjust it.

We don't want to have that in our games. It doesn't mean our game will BE constantly fun to everyone, but from our perspective, there are no "weak spots" in the game like that thanks to going back and refining/reworking things to make sure it works as intended/is fun.

No one is forcing you to a certain deadline. You're self-publishing, you set your own deadline, and considering how much work there still was to do, i'm still wondering how you ever thought you could get them out by that time?
See the above cycle of events for the answer to that one.
We are the ones forcing ourselves to release by a certain deadline, because we are both financially bound and time bound, in that we have a zillion games we want to make and we don't want to spend our entire lives on just one game.

Please understand that it is not so much that it's taking so long, it's the constant deadlines that aren't met, time after time.
I do understand this, and have understood it for some time, which is why we're not going to have release dates for future games, ever.

But for Future Fragments, if we just suddenly said "ok, no release date" for it this close to the end, people would surely take that as a sign of "welp, it's never coming out, will be milked until 2050" etc.

you misunderstand me. This wasn't to discredit your work. This was to temper the expectations of people i have seen that are becoming way too hyped at the word count, that unfortunately isn't a lot. ME can be finished in a day, if you ignore side content, and your work is about the same length. And i bet most of those words are for those 80 endings you're making.
I do understand that, and that's why I said I wasn't harping on you specifically, but clarifying why those people were surprised at it, per it being done by one person who's also doing 20 other things and with no other help etc.

And no, the 21 true endings are only about 1,500 words each, with the 20 other secret endings being about a fourth of that each. The cutscenes make up the massive majority of words.

Just to clarify how the cutscenes work;

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Here's a bunch of databanks, with the databank stories they're linked to (the third column) and cutscenes that they change the events of (the fourth column). There's 157 databanks, and 221 cutscenes.

Interacting with cutscenes or databanks will change future events/future story choices and possibilities when interacting with characters as well as core storyline cutscenes.

Who you kill and who you don't kill affects this too, as well as your 8 "Ideal" variables, which can further open up/lock out choices or events in cutscenes.

Even some other variables like how many times you've respawned, how many enemies total you've killed, how many Fragments you have, how long you've spent in a level, how many maps you've cleared, or even how many times you've pressed the down button/ducked can affect scenes.

Here's the "base" collection of all the interactions between cutscenes and databanks, although by now, there's probably double the connections;

npc_databank_cutscene_links.png

The numbers and letters here correspond to the cutscene/databank number, and if it's a cutscene or databank, as well as what level it's on.

For example, four rows down, and five columns to the right, you can see;
86d(fi) - 94d(fi) - 171c(end) - 138c(ea)
This means that databank 86 and 94 in Fire, if you read those, will change the events of both cutscene 171 in The End and cutscene 183 in Earth, and that those two cutscenes will also be affected by choices made in each cutscene (so if you interact with #171 first, instead of #138 first, or vice versa, and whether you kill them, what your ideals were, etc.)

On top of that, this is just the NPCs; this isn't counting events with Faye, Vie, or solo scenes, end path scenes, game over CGs, and a lot of other things.

it's impressive given your already insane workload, but let's not pretend you are writing a novel and not a script for a visual medium.
Yes, it is a visual medium, which means I don't have to describe things around the characters in most cases. That still doesn't make it any less or any more worthy writing-wise. (Also, according to google, the average novel is 90,000 words, with big stories being 125,000+ words. Even War and Peace is 580,000 words, so I'm not sure why the novel vs game script comparison.)

Maybe you should focus on those then.
No matter how you scratch it, the current discourse here is one of your own making.
How can I focus on them any more than I already have been? I'm not sure what you mean by that statement.
 
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I donated a total of $20 via patreon forever ago. How will we be receiving Steam codes when it finally releases? Sorry if this has been asked before.
 

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I donated a total of $20 via patreon forever ago. How will we be receiving Steam codes when it finally releases? Sorry if this has been asked before.
We'll send you a google form that will just ask what platform you want your key on, then we'll mail it to you using the same email you signed up to Patreon with :)
 

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#63 October 14th progress report.png

Weekly Progress Report #63 for Future Fragments

DISCORD
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STEAM -
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MORE PLACES -

All links are for those 18+ of age and older only.

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Pretty much covered it in the image, but two notable things that weren't in there/didn't have room to fit in there;

- We'll be re-submitting to Steam on October 29th, not October 22nd, and
- We're absolutely releasing in November, but instead of early November, we're now looking at very late November.

We'll be doing our best to get it as complete and polished as possible before then, but that is our extremely hard deadline.
 
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itzbob

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too many posts to catch up on - so the 22nd submission was denied and your resubmitting for 10/29?
 

guldfisk

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It seems fairly obvious you submitted knowing it would get rejected right? Steam rejecting the game basically means the game is not playable start to finish and is still months away from finishing.
 

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It seems fairly obvious you submitted knowing it would get rejected right? Steam rejecting the game basically means the game is not playable start to finish and is still months away from finishing.
We've got a video of the game being playable from start to finish, sans the true final boss due to spoilers, and the endings due to not being in, that we've posted on our public Discord a long while ago.

However, the endings weren't in the game, which did disqualify it technically from not being "playable from start to finish", but those will all be in by the next time we submit. So, we're definitely nowhere near months away from finishing.

We still submitted it regardless, because we wanted to make sure that we weren't making errors in the submission process, which happened when we submitted the demo.

So we wanted to save time in that regard instead of waiting until the last moment and then submitting and whoops, we made an error, now we can't get it out in time and we have to push it even farther when whatever got us rejected was a tiny, simple mistake on our end per the many things you have to have checked off/setup for submissions.
 
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Sologor

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So we wanted to save time in that regard instead of waiting until the last moment and then submitting and whoops, we made an error, now we can't get it out in time and we have to push it even farther when whatever got us rejected was a tiny, simple mistake on our end per the many things you have to have checked off/setup for submissions.
Realistically speaking, how long do we have to wait to buy the game?

D4n0w4r beat me to it but I was about to point out that steam now lists the game as "coming soon" having dropped the "very". Not looking to make a fuss but would just like to have a clue if I can stop checking the wishlist every day


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Nevermind, read the update post. Not happy about it but nothing I can do but wait.
 
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HentaiWriter

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Realistically speaking, how long do we have to wait to buy the game?

D4n0w4r beat me to it but I was about to point out that steam now lists the game as "coming soon" having dropped the "very". Not looking to make a fuss but would just like to have a clue if I can stop checking the wishlist every day
This is apparently an error on my end; I changed the release date to specifically November 30th last night, but, as I noted before about how Steam has about a zillion checks and balances, I accidentally checked a specific box that for whatever reason ends up removing the box that shows the date of release (and thus removing the link to the steam page entirely).

It's fixed now.

...

Per Steam policies, releasing the game to other platforms without Steam having it first once you have a store page active = breach of policy/contract. Even if it's not 100% complete, I'm not gonna take that risk. This policy is listed on many sites. This is also part of why we stopped doing demos at a certain point (i.e. when we had the game linked together).



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They have this policy because for all they know, in the final stage of the game, you could have tons of objectionable material, which is why they do play all the way through and require that.

The endings weren't there, so since they don't know what we have planned for the end, they can't pass it. It's that simple.
 
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Sologor

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May I suggest relaxing a little bit? :LOL:

You quoted someone else but you managed to give me credit for this

There are hundreds of porn games on Steam now dear, most of which have a 2 second ending after an hour or two of gameplay, you boast a lot more game time and a lot more quality meaning you're either full of it or you got the one Valve rep who's incredibly anal about what they approve.

For fox sake HW, BREATH :ROFLMAO:


To be crystalline clear, I am not giving you shit but I do think you should sit back and take a couple weeks vacation from this forum. People who want to buy the game will still buy it and you will keep your sanity (you still have it, right?)

I can only wish you good luck until the game releases (and even better luck after that).
 
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Weird, that's my bad: fixed it now.
And nah, cant relax, in perma work mode
you should at least try to relax how ever if possible i haven't tried but i might just recommend blocking the annoying troglodytes for being impatient and crapping over all you're hard work might help get rid of some stress
 
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Will the game go on itch and other platforms right after it get accepted on Steam or will there be a timed delay?
 
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