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censuur

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I'm under the impression that they had to lock in a release date with steam based on the stage of development the game was at for some reason, and they were "too far into the development process" to release it EA. IDK to what extent that is true, but that's what some people have represented in this thread.
Why are you inventing entire narratives when the truth is right in front of you? You don't need to guess. You don't need to make shit up. And you don't need to accept the narratives of people doing those things. I've seen games go into EA that were far more complete than this full 'release'. It's horseshit.
 

yoyomistro

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Why are you inventing entire narratives when the truth is right in front of you? You don't need to guess. You don't need to make shit up. And you don't need to accept the narratives of people doing those things. I've seen games go into EA that were far more complete than this full 'release'. It's horseshit.
Did I say I invented it? I said it was mentioned by other people. I don't have a dog in this fight lol, I'm not guessing, "under the impression" does not mean guessing. I was just reiterating past information that people may not have seen. Don't put words in my mouth, read what I wrote.
 

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Its funny
I read a bunch of complaining about
"The slime boss is impossible"
I didn´t even know that there was a boss. The game just skipped it for me
Probably because I got all 3 golden data banks
 

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I'm having trouble with the ice level's path 1 fragment, I can get the snowball to spawn, but after that I can't make the jump to the moving platform, the max jump height won't reach it.

edit: nevermind a second snowball spawned while I was running around the level.
 
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I tried playing for a bit. Made it through chap 2 before moving on.

The dialogue is too long winded. I suspect that the reason most people have an issue with the first boss is that by that point, many folks will have learned to click through dialogue without reading. It's not just a matter of the dialogue not being sexy, it's that the characters take three text boxes to say stuff that could be done in one, and that's on top of the Databanks which are far too numerous and all of them are three text boxes at minimum it feels like. Because the game unintentionally trains the player to skip through dialogue, and because the boss arena itself is structured like a runaway mission, of course people are gonna assume you can't kill the damn thing. Having Talia announce at the start of battle "Gotta kill it while running," in an single unskippable text box would definitely help. Or hell, just an announcement on screen that says KILL IT, would make that point clear.
 

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Multiple violationsTo address some concerns here, if your post has been removed, it will either be for one of the following reasons:
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Is it okay to criticize the creator?

For example, ‘This person didn’t keep his promises and deceived us several times.’
As long as it's not a personal attack, yes. You can discuss the game and the Dev in this thread.

"The Dev is a piece of shit, I hope he burns"
Is very different to
"The dev has a habit of not updating when they said they would"

It's about the tone and the context.
 

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>be named "hentaiwriter"
>the writing of your hentai game is the worst part


I almost want to ask for the thread's ratings to be reset. Those are 5-star ratings based on demos that promised the moon, and not the actual product released. But then the 300+ Steam reviews are all positive... so maybe the problem was us for not realizing that 10 years of development to release something unfinished was actually a 300 IQ move.
 

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>be named "hentaiwriter"
>the writing of your hentai game is the worst part


I almost want to ask for the thread's ratings to be reset. Those are 5-star ratings based on demos that promised the moon, and not the actual product released. But then the 300+ Steam reviews are all positive... so maybe the problem was us for not realizing that 10 years of development to release something unfinished was actually a 300 IQ move.
I think it's a good game in isolation (especially if you don't know the "backstory" of its chaotic development), far better than a lot of asset mixmash "games" that get released on Steam. Better to take it for what it is than to keep getting salty over things that won't change.
 
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You have to link me to it, Fire Stage is a generic name.
It's a completely unnecessary detail made to extend the duration of the game, which has the most spoken dialogue I've ever seen in my life. Also, the boss fight system is ridiculous, it's impossible to beat. It's really funny that they've only been releasing alpha and beta for like 1 or 2 years, but they spend so much time to combine the full version of the levels. Just respect for the effort, 3 stars etc.
 

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I think it's a good game in isolation (especially if you don't know the "backstory" of its chaotic development), far better than a lot of asset mixmash "games" that get released on Steam. Better to take it for what it is than to keep getting salty over things that won't change.
Exactly this. Almost anyone playing this on Steam probably had no idea it existed until they randomly came across it a few days/weeks ago. If that were all the info they were going in with, I would fully expect any given passerby to think quite highly of it, as most people here did when the first demos came out years ago. HW does a good enough job at rabidly attacking anyone that dares to give him a negative review/comment that your average joe will never have any inkling that HW is actually a Boggart irl.
 
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your average joe will never have any inkling that HW is actually a Boggart irl.
Sounds a-okay to me, in a sense, because this is how I see it: that "average joe" paid for a game - not "development time", not "a nice developer" - "a game". Plus, some haters consider it their mission to drag people like that into the whole mess, with rabid fanaticism and a "if you are not with us - you are against us" mindset. The poor fellow simply wants to play the game and just get whatever from doing so, be it enjoying a platformer or waxing his carrot.

At some point, the thought actually did cross my mind, about the likelihood of somebody gone through the, shall we say, "development process" of FF being capable of reviewing it fairly, i.e., "as a game in isolation", as the post you quoted put it. Fingers crossed.
 
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