sac812

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As long as he goes with the actual biblical version of angels (who are very far from being anywhere near 'good') I'd be more than happy with that plot variation. Would add a great dynamic.
Yeah, I feel like the dev/writer has so far made no attempt to hide the fact that he gives the angels *zero* moral high ground and I love it lol.

There was a line that MC and Brie shared at the end -- something like "Angels coerce. Demons tempt. Humans suffer."

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Let these angels descend into this game!
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Angels coerce. Demons tempt. Humans suffer.
Let them spread the joy of becoming and the truth of deliverance!
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She's an angel ... maybe even *THE* Angel.
Let their fantastic bodies and their disarming minds cut deep into our deepest sorrows!
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still unquestionably "angelic" but with a more specific purpose
Let there be paradise befallen on our journeys!
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Everything you do with Meredith affects her outcome, what and how you react to Tommy affects her outcome. From what I understand, you can fail recruiting Meredith (Game over?), but I don't know for sure. Telling Tommy to be truthful is one way to make it harder on you. I do know you can make some pretty bad choices that do not let her advance (gain aff or corr). Even says you can scare her off. But like I said can you really fail? No idea...
You are full tilt corruption/affection (mine is balanced) on Meredith, what you do affects her attraction for you (lust) or corruption (desire) for you, basically how she see you.
You're right about the interactions between Meredith and Tommy not being the same. Remember what happened at the hotel, it changed everything for Meredith and that simple fact is reiterated at the start of the chapter with her and Red. He even point out they no longer need to be in front of the camera anymore. It's meant to have a profound impact on how she feels about Red, it was the one thing she said no too and then she does it herself anyway.
I don't know for sure, but I think this will have an affect on how she interacts with you. I asked on Patreon what the different paths mean, but to be honest the Dev never responded. Some clarification in game about what these different paths mean would be nice.

Maxime is not really in the picture for the most part right now, the story is about Meredith currently. Maxime shows you what she is about by helping Red with everything, she is 100% devoted to him. As was said by Julia, she's coming back and will probably never leave Red's side again. I think Maxime will grow once this Meredith thing is over. I am interest who his next woman will be, I expect more.

The whole point of Julia and Ruby and why that is still shown is to show how much stronger he has gotten. Julia tells him she can't handle him any more, he's gotten to strong. She the lets Ruby take over in his weakened state to see how much farther he can go, Julia even says Ruby is much stronger than her.
It was mentioned several times, he has to learn to resist, that if he can't he will die and it only take a touch to do it. This is the reason for the training along side showing his growth.
The bra thing was discussed on Patreon by a few of us. It didn't make a whole lot of sense, but it isn't unheard of. The Dev might find that kind of thing to their liking and that is why it's that way. It's different, so there is that going for it, not many VNs have women leave their top on while having sex. Different is a good thing sometimes.

Brie has a whole other problem, she was also abused by his mother and has scars like him (not as bad). I, and this is my opinion, think her power is being blocked off. This has caused her to slowly lose emotions, she even mentions it's not just one emotion she can feel others dulling too. My guess is Red will have to make a pact with her to break this seal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say his mother did it to her based on what she told Red his mother did to her.
Red knows he can affect her with his power, but it's not enough to get through, this is my reasoning of it needing to be a pact.

The update wasn't that confusing to me, here is how I looked at it and what I took away from it.
It showed how close Meredith is to breaking and what a stupid ass Tommy is.
It showed how much more powerful he has gotten based on his interactions with Julia and Ruby.
It brought Brie into the picture with her problem, he now has to figure out to save her from her fate. This gives the story something else to focus on beside corrupting women.
It let us know that his mom is no one to be messed with and everyone is afraid of her.
Interesting insights.

I'm aware the hotel scene was supposed to have changed everything with Meredith and by extension Tommy; the characters mention that point often enough to be a drinking game. My point is that this change felt artificial and poorly illustrated by the actual events of the game. To be fair, it's very possible my experience is atypical, a byproduct of my well below-grade Affection levels with Meredith. But the game is letting me play on this way so I'm assuming this should be a valid sub-path in the short term (even if it's essentially an unwinnable game state that will eventually lead to a Game Over).

Speaking of which, failing to recruit Meredith does not lead to a game over yet, at least AFAICT. You're warned that things have gone off the rails, but the game plays as normal otherwise.
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As far as the bra thing goes, I agree different is good. But my point is that having all three characters leave their bra on (while otherwise naked) back to back to back makes it feel extremely un-different. At that point it's less a breath of fresh air and more an odd fetish. I think it would have been better to shake the costume choice up a bit with one of the girls, probably Ruby since her scene is in the middle.

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I will say these are my opinions and what I feel like I learned from this last update.
Is it even possible to have 4+ levels in both Corruption and Affection without cheating? I've never come close, but I've also never dug too deeply into just how to optimize my points. The fact that a bunch of scenes seem to play out the same way regardless of our levels with Meredith makes me worry that the game isn't properly tracking its loose ends and most of the choices we're making won't have much payoff down the line - which would be a real shame.

I don't like the though of breaking Meredith's will, so I've been trying to avoid that. From was Astofiel said that should be tantamount to suicide for the MC, but since the game makes it an option (and spends so much time ruminating on the morality of our actions), I feel like I need to try it and see where it leads before trying something less pleasant to me.

But as I said, I'm having a very hard time telling where it leads. Is this a broken path the dev never actually expected anyone to take? A very slow path to an early game over? A long and complicated path that could potentially lead to a secret, non-thrall ending for Meredith? The same path as all the other choices, just wearing a funny hat in some scenes? I really have no idea.
 
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First of all I have to say I'm a bad guy and I'm on Meredith's path of love and have 4 hearts so at the end of the chapter I chose to have Meredith resist the MC because then in our next update when Tommy watches us break Meredith's last defenses it will be a huge victory and it will be too easy to be fun Of. course I hope this choice doesn't end badly for me because then I have to roll back the choice :sneaky:
 

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I have a question: given the paranormal setting, what kind of MC we have here? One that actually loves and cares about the women or just an asshole that uses them for his own gain?
One would assume that is the difference between a corruption path or a romance path. In this case, I think there is also a middle road because you can corrupt one LI while romancing another. So, in that case, MC is neither or both depending on how you look at it.
 

sac812

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I have a question: given the paranormal setting, what kind of MC we have here? One that actually loves and cares about the women or just an asshole that uses them for his own gain?
As somebody else mentioned, the paths kinda vary depending on the girl and the context.

For the "targets" (which at this point, is only Meredith), your only goal is to convert them to being your follower/worshipper. You can approach that task in a "love" way, where she legitimately falls in love with you, or a "corrupt" way, where you're basically breaking her down to where she can't *physically* live without you.

Keep in mind that MC has lived his entire life to this point not fully understanding his nature, and the "acquisition" part -- where Meredith comes in -- was thrust upon him. MC has several moments of reflection where he's trying to figure out and/or rationalize his own motives for doing what he's doing and he sometimes struggles with the dehumanization aspect. Another character refers to him as a "demon with a conscience."

So the love path is actual love and not just a fake love?
The above aside, there are other LIs who serve various purposes, and for whom your motives and actions are very different. I'd say at this point there is at least one -- and arguably two -- girls with whom you can take an almost entirely love-based approach toward your relationship. It's not entirely that simple, but to aovid spoiling the story any further, let's just say that the potential is there.
 
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I thought the whole AOA dev was bullshit. But in this update, i looked closely at Ruby, who is 100% Ashley, and then Brie came, who is also 100% Jenny or also ashley, i don't know. I'm not paranoid, right?
 

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I thought the whole AOA dev was bullshit. But in this update, i looked closely at Ruby, who is 100% Ashley, and then Brie came, who is also 100% Jenny or also ashley, i don't know. I'm not paranoid, right?
funny you should mention... i also got the impression they looked similar but, didn't the dev of AOA said he was quitting making vn's?
 

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I thought the whole AOA dev was bullshit. But in this update, i looked closely at Ruby, who is 100% Ashley, and then Brie came, who is also 100% Jenny or also ashley, i don't know. I'm not paranoid, right?
You know most of the models are freely available on 3D sites...right? Right?.....

You know code is code...Ren'py works one way....there's no signifcanct'y different language between VN's....right? Right?....
 
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You know most of the models are freely available on 3D sites...right? Right?.....

You know code is code...Ren'py works one way....there's no signifcanct'y different language between VN's....right? Right?....
While the models are available, they have modifications that make each character unique. The similarities here are uncanny.
 
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