Welp it doesnt look good based on the title of his most recent patreon post "FML" anyone wanna share whats in it guessing another delay?
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I've realized a while ago but now I had to admit it. This update was a mistake in this shape and form. It's clear to me that I won't make it in time for the 19th either. I'd rather not mark another day as the release date so as not to let this fucking clown show happen again. I'm going to drop it when it's ready, which is exactly what I should've told you last time.
The art is practically done, only CG backgrounds and Mia's faces and Riley's outfits are left. I also started writing the dialogue last week and that's what got me to write this post. Because it was hot garbage.
I've played so many H games with shit endings yet despite knowing plenty bad examples of what it's like when you overdo the thing I planned my game to have 9 endings. A game that's been mostly linear suddenly having 9 endings, which to be fair do overlap but still, it's 9 routes written by someone with little experience. What could go wrong.
I wanted the update to be bigger, better than the previous ones and to serve as a memorable finale. A textbook example of how less would be more because less equals fewer opportunities to fuck up.
The next big mistake was that deep down I also wanted to please everyone. So many comments about how great it is that there's a choice to not be a cuck in a ntr game and boom I was fully on board with doing those routes because the more routes there are the better the game is, right? I think the first storyboard for the update was almost a 50-50 between the overall length of good and bad endings when my original plans back in the day only had the Riley GF route as a good ending.
Don't get me wrong, I still think ntr games can have good endings but they should only be complements, adding a different flavour, a slight refreshing note amidst the degeneracy.
Let me also address that CG in the post. The reveal of the final teaser was supposed to be a glorious moment where upon seeing the image you'll correctly assume that Mia will be subject to a big bang theory and thus get hyped af. This post is anything but glorious yet I wanted to show that pic because I obviously promised to but more so because it's one of the best examples of where my time sinks.
I drew her face 3 times. The first took about 3 hours, pretty bad, right? No matter how I edited it it looked trash.
Couple of days later attempt 2:
I spent about 3 hours on it again and would you believe it? I fucking hated it. Nice! The stuff that looks good as a sketch doesn't always work out as lineart.
Thankfully third time's the charm and another 2-3 hours later she had a presentable face. Might be a bit too anime but I don't care.
The point is, stuff like this happens all the time, maybe not to this extreme but there's always something to fix or improve and I only give up on fixing everything once it gets stupidly time consuming.
But all of the above was just related to development time. What I'm actually sorry for is the delays and frustrating you all. It would've been easily avoidable if I just shut up about release dates. Instead I always just set time frames I can't possibly keep, thinking that I would just finesse it somehow and then getting hit by reality that crunching is not a sustainable way of getting shit done quicker.
I thought about why I'm like this and I think it's the fear of not making it. Due to the structure and long dev time of the updates my game only gets exposure for a limited time every once in a while. There's always an influx of patrons then but otherwise the number has remained mostly stagnant. I don't care about making big bucks, only enough to let me go all in on this as a job. But I often feel like the window for that is closing. Most of the successful devs have been successful from the get go. Surely, there's a chance my second game will be well received too but what if it instead only proves further that I'm not cut out for this?
I'm slowly building up my skill but as of now I definitely lack competence. Only having one of those is not enough.
Anyway, this rambling went on for too long. At the end of the day it's yet another delay and me trying to explain shit to seem more sympathetic. Like a freaking youtube apology. Good therapy for me tho. Life's been overwhelming for a while and it just keeps handing me L's.
If I can't drop the game until the end of the month I'll turn off payments.
I'll be back.
BP
The art is practically done, only CG backgrounds and Mia's faces and Riley's outfits are left. I also started writing the dialogue last week and that's what got me to write this post. Because it was hot garbage.
I've played so many H games with shit endings yet despite knowing plenty bad examples of what it's like when you overdo the thing I planned my game to have 9 endings. A game that's been mostly linear suddenly having 9 endings, which to be fair do overlap but still, it's 9 routes written by someone with little experience. What could go wrong.
I wanted the update to be bigger, better than the previous ones and to serve as a memorable finale. A textbook example of how less would be more because less equals fewer opportunities to fuck up.
The next big mistake was that deep down I also wanted to please everyone. So many comments about how great it is that there's a choice to not be a cuck in a ntr game and boom I was fully on board with doing those routes because the more routes there are the better the game is, right? I think the first storyboard for the update was almost a 50-50 between the overall length of good and bad endings when my original plans back in the day only had the Riley GF route as a good ending.
Don't get me wrong, I still think ntr games can have good endings but they should only be complements, adding a different flavour, a slight refreshing note amidst the degeneracy.
Let me also address that CG in the post. The reveal of the final teaser was supposed to be a glorious moment where upon seeing the image you'll correctly assume that Mia will be subject to a big bang theory and thus get hyped af. This post is anything but glorious yet I wanted to show that pic because I obviously promised to but more so because it's one of the best examples of where my time sinks.
I drew her face 3 times. The first took about 3 hours, pretty bad, right? No matter how I edited it it looked trash.
Couple of days later attempt 2:
I spent about 3 hours on it again and would you believe it? I fucking hated it. Nice! The stuff that looks good as a sketch doesn't always work out as lineart.
Thankfully third time's the charm and another 2-3 hours later she had a presentable face. Might be a bit too anime but I don't care.
The point is, stuff like this happens all the time, maybe not to this extreme but there's always something to fix or improve and I only give up on fixing everything once it gets stupidly time consuming.
But all of the above was just related to development time. What I'm actually sorry for is the delays and frustrating you all. It would've been easily avoidable if I just shut up about release dates. Instead I always just set time frames I can't possibly keep, thinking that I would just finesse it somehow and then getting hit by reality that crunching is not a sustainable way of getting shit done quicker.
I thought about why I'm like this and I think it's the fear of not making it. Due to the structure and long dev time of the updates my game only gets exposure for a limited time every once in a while. There's always an influx of patrons then but otherwise the number has remained mostly stagnant. I don't care about making big bucks, only enough to let me go all in on this as a job. But I often feel like the window for that is closing. Most of the successful devs have been successful from the get go. Surely, there's a chance my second game will be well received too but what if it instead only proves further that I'm not cut out for this?
I'm slowly building up my skill but as of now I definitely lack competence. Only having one of those is not enough.
Anyway, this rambling went on for too long. At the end of the day it's yet another delay and me trying to explain shit to seem more sympathetic. Like a freaking youtube apology. Good therapy for me tho. Life's been overwhelming for a while and it just keeps handing me L's.
If I can't drop the game until the end of the month I'll turn off payments.
I'll be back.
BP
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"So many comments about how great it is that there's a choice to not be a cuck in a ntr game and boom I was fully on board with doing those routes [...] I still think ntr games can have good endings but they should only be complements, adding a different flavour, a slight refreshing note amidst the degeneracy. "
Good realization. It's a mistake listening to comments about non-NTR routes in an NTR game. The large majority of the paying audience is there for the cucking and not to play a vanilla game. Creating a game aimed at a specific fetish only to then implement routes to bypass interactions with said fetish can't end well.
In a way, the dev realizing this could be a good sign. Them turning off payments if they can't deliver on time is also a good move.
Good realization. It's a mistake listening to comments about non-NTR routes in an NTR game. The large majority of the paying audience is there for the cucking and not to play a vanilla game. Creating a game aimed at a specific fetish only to then implement routes to bypass interactions with said fetish can't end well.
In a way, the dev realizing this could be a good sign. Them turning off payments if they can't deliver on time is also a good move.
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I see my point proven x2."Develop your intellect a bit more to learn to discern the difference"Bro this is a post for a porno game about your girlfriend cucking you, no need to hit me with your "iamverysmart" material.
Gotta strawman to feel like you won them internet points.
My argument was proven right by the latest patreon post. You're the one who keeps trying to stir up shit in an attempt to continue the argument. Seems to me like you're the type of guy who always has to have the last word even when the moment has passed lol
Bummer that the update is getting delayed. From the patreon post it looks like the dude is comparing himself to other successful patreon porn games, but I honestly feel like NTR games are pretty niche, so expectations shouldn't be too high. Although he definitely deserves more than what he has now. I wonder if releasing on Steam for a small price is an option?
While I do generally agree I think there should be room for one small off to the side ending that doesn't involve it (even if it is just a peel off the side that isn't a 'true' ending). Usually ntr and femdom go hand in hand, it could just be a swap of niche fetishes even.
Regardless surprised he had 9 endings planned and that was probably too optimistic, hopefully he learns for when he creates another NTR game just as good
I couldn't disagree more. This game is like a breath of fresh air when it comes to NTR games. Most NTR games you go from 0 to cucked in 5 mins and they you just churn through generic NTR content game dev spits out every month or so. I play a lot of different porn game genres and this is the first NTR-focused game that I actually enjoyed playing. Having multiple paths adds depth, makes your choices actually matter.
I cannot explain how cathartic it felt getting non-cuck Riley path.
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The dev is getting a little bit stuck in his head when it comes to this game. It has its problems, but just finish it and move on to the next one. Hangover Cat's "The Edge Of" was a mess of shit that was basically a kinetic novel that refused to stop freezing and crashing but they learned a lot from it. Their next effort "A Promise Better Left Unkept" has been much better received and the fanbase has grown accordingly. The first complete game builds into the next game and that is the only way to grow a following. People are more willing to invest in a game when they have reason to believe that the dev will finish what they start.
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The following might sound offensive, but it really isn't supposed to be. It's part curiosity and part personal opinion.
Question: Are you into NTR? Do you enjoy games or other media in which the MC gets cucked / has their loved one stolen / enjoys watching their girl getting fucked by other men?
The moment of catharsis you experienced might indicate that you prefer non-NTR works. Even so, a "breath of fresh air" ignores the fact that the game is aimed at a specific audience that enjoys netorare/netorase. Imagine creating a game that advertises monstergirl sex and then offering several routes to ignore said monstergirl banging. That doesn't revolutionize the fetish of monstergirl sex, it just changes the target audience at the risk of diluting its main selling point.
NTR is not really my thing, but I still enjoy experiencing different kind of content. For example, I am a guy but I can still enjoy a game where the protagonist is a woman. Does that mean I want to be a woman? No, I am not playing a game only to live some kind of fantasy of mine, it's more that I want to experience different stuff out of curiosity. Same with NTR. A lot of people who are not into NTR can still enjoy a scenario where their gf/bf is cheating on them and they get to deal with that in what way they prefer (giving in or fighting back). There is shitload of non-cuck "cheating" porn, it's mainstream and extremely popular.
Maybe, but lets say some people really enjoy fucking humanoid looking monsters, but not non-humanoid ones. Giving them an option to avoid that improves the experience for those players.
My point is, adding more options how people play the game massively adds to player's experience. For example Good Girl Gone Bad is amazing game because your choices actually impact the story and your character progression. The endings are extremely different, you can
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Not adding non-cuck routes would make Girlfriend Tapes just another bland NTR game #1829.
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Couldn't agree with this statement more. Otherwise...you just know how it's going to end up. Having that small choice there adds a bit of variety and can make the experience better.
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Question answered, thanks. Looking at the dev's latest update post, it seems they originally wanted to make a (pure) NTR game. Adding non-NTR routes was an afterthought, and it turned out badly as they overwhelmed themselves with work while losing focus on their original vision. That hurts a game / hinders its completion.
If the dev of GGGB planned the game to be this way, catering to as many audiences as possible, then that's entirely fine. It's awesome even. My point is that BootyProfessor got "pressured" into creating content they had never planned to be in the game in the first place. Ever since then, they've been stuck. This led to the latest update post, in which they regret having tried to make everyone happy.
Not adding routes the dev didn't have in mind for the game in the first place will benefit it. Easiest example is "A Promise Best Left Unkept". The dev has a clear vision, sticks to it and delivers incredibly good work for fans of the kink. Your impression of NTR games as "bland" and "generic" might stem from not being into the kink. There's a surprising amount of different facets to it, believe me that die-hard fans of the kink are able to discuss this topic down to little nuances (of which non-NTR routes aren't a nuance).
I wasn't talking about humanoid/non-humanoid monsters. That'd be like saying "some people really enjoy netorase, but not netorare."
Anyway, we're all people with different tastes. In the end it matters only that the dev is able to deliver the game they wanted to make.
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yeah i agree. i downloaded the game for the cuck content, but the fact that this is one of the few games that gives you also a vanilla route and makes you choose different types of netorare experience makes it much more exciting.
the difference between cuckoldry and NTR is the consent and willingness of the protagonist. i think that having impactful choices is important for this genre of games. the fact that you're able to see the lovey-dovey side of Riley makes her NTS/femdom route better too.
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I agree. Most NTR games are, frankly, low effort. The best ones are ones with pretty good characters/writing and goes more in depth into the emotions of the MC and the other characters involved. Like, we know from the non-cuck Riley path that there's always been something there between the two. And, on the cuck path I think it'll feed into their relationship. Meaning that Riley sees that the MC likes it and so she'll pounce on that opportunity
Vanilla netorase femdom sex with Riley. That's all I care about. Mc and Riley should be heads over heels for each other. Then Riley goes around fucking chads and blacks while filming it. She returns to MC and give him an elaborate cuckold reporting with lots of teasing. Mc will cum from the overdosis of pleasure while getting femdommed and hearing his gf moan like a whore on the video. As he cums, Riley puts his dick inside of her and forcefully squeeze his dick till her eggs are fertilised. The night continues with lots of lovey-dovey baby-making sex.
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but in reality she is already pregnant with some chad children lmao