VN Ren'Py Grandma's House [Part 6 v0.89] [Moonbox]

[FatGiant]

I've seen some posts on another forum in which users are using AI to animate images from VNs and 3D porn comics and I've been pretty impressed with what they've accomplished. Considering some of the janky, robotic animations a lot of VNs feature, I'm starting to think that AI-assisted animations are absolutely an improvement. Personally, I think within a few years, a plurality (if not a majority) of devs will be using AI for animations. The tech is improving fast and I think it's inevitable at this point.

Some people lump all AI together and I think that's a mistake. AI as a tool versus AI as a creative engine are two different things. A lot of the pure-AI VNs are regurgitated slop and easy to pick out. AI is like a human centipede of creativity. It can't innovate, only regurgitate. That said, using it to streamline and enhance existing CG, especially when creating lewd animations, will be a game changer. Simulating natural human movements is very difficult to do manually. AI greatly simplifies that process and will become, I believe, the standard over the next couple of years.

While I mostly agree, there is a VERY worrying issue arising from AI generated video. It is being used to create massive amounts of ********** out of very innocent images. Some may defend the practice by claiming that no child was hurt, but, the fact remains that those same children can be seen performing acts that will haunt them for life. So, there is real damage done.

Sure, the tech must be separated from it's bad uses, but, it is an extremely dangerous way for tech to go.

Most people can't really see the problem, I understand it. Just imagine receiving a video of you or your wife raping one of your children. Worse, have it be part of a divorce lawsuit. Maybe then you can relate to what I am talking about.

Peace

 

[John Nada]

While I mostly agree, there is a VERY worrying issue arising from AI generated video. It is being used to create massive amounts of ********** out of very innocent images. Some may defend the practice by claiming that no child was hurt, but, the fact remains that those same children can be seen performing acts that will haunt them for life. So, there is real damage done.

Sure, the tech must be separated from it's bad uses, but, it is an extremely dangerous way for tech to go.

Most people can't really see the problem, I understand it. Just imagine receiving a video of you or your wife raping one of your children. Worse, have it be part of a divorce lawsuit. Maybe then you can relate to what I am talking about.

Peace

Totally agree on that point. We're reaching the end of the period in time in which any video or photograph can be trusted. In fact, I'm trying to train myself to immediately distrust any scandalous audio, video, or picture until it's thoroughly vetted. It's gonna be an ugly, brave new world, especially considering how gullible the average person is.

That is why we need AI-assisted animation in VNs as soon as possible. The world is burning and I need to see an animated Amy bobbing on MC's rod before I depart it!

 

[MrAxel]

My fave, can’t wait for the big finale!

 

[HornyyPussy]

My fave, can’t wait for the big finale!

Yeah, that's gonna be a while.......

 

[Karaido]

While I mostly agree, there is a VERY worrying issue arising from AI generated video. It is being used to create massive amounts of ********** out of very innocent images. Some may defend the practice by claiming that no child was hurt, but, the fact remains that those same children can be seen performing acts that will haunt them for life. So, there is real damage done.

Sure, the tech must be separated from it's bad uses, but, it is an extremely dangerous way for tech to go.

Most people can't really see the problem, I understand it. Just imagine receiving a video of you or your wife raping one of your children. Worse, have it be part of a divorce lawsuit. Maybe then you can relate to what I am talking about.

Peace

The point was to enhance the experience of existing CGs through AI generated animations and sound and not what people could to with real life images. Even though you're right why would you come up with this in a thread about a porn game? I think we all know it can be used in very bad way and I can't really see a way to prevent that. Maybe AI generated content needs to include an invisible watermark which can be traced by other AI but I don't know if this is possible.

 

[FatGiant]

The point was to enhance the experience of existing CGs through AI generated animations and sound and not what people could to with real life images. Even though you're right why would you come up with this in a thread about a porn game? I think we all know it can be used in very bad way and I can't really see a way to prevent that. Maybe AI generated content needs to include an invisible watermark which can be traced by other AI but I don't know if this is possible.

Why?

Because I can't in good faith, endorse or use a technology, with this type of potential downfall without at least ponder on it's problems. That's why it is already a problem. That's the exact problem, it is inextricably linked to the usefulness of it. You and everyone, want to bury your head in the sand and just go with it's useful to make videos I can fap with, forgetting that what makes YOU fap and what makes one of those P.O.S. fap, are made with the same tool.

I don't know either, if there's away to stop this, what I do know, is that every advance made in that direction without, AT LEAST, caring that it has the potential to create a LOT of problems, is completely irresponsible. And bringing it up on a Porn Game forum? Man, is there EVER a better place?

The only way this can be a problem for you, is if you are one of those P.O.S. creating the type of content that gets the *'s out. So, yeah. It is relevant. It is important. And we should all worry about this tech, before it destroys lives, just for a quick fap of a lazy fuck on an internet forum of a porn game.

Peace

 

[John Nada]

Why?

Because I can't in good faith, endorse or use a technology, with this type of potential downfall without at least ponder on it's problems. That's why it is already a problem. That's the exact problem, it is inextricably linked to the usefulness of it. You and everyone, want to bury your head in the sand and just go with it's useful to make videos I can fap with, forgetting that what makes YOU fap and what makes one of those P.O.S. fap, are made with the same tool.

I don't know either, if there's away to stop this, what I do know, is that every advance made in that direction without, AT LEAST, caring that it has the potential to create a LOT of problems, is completely irresponsible. And bringing it up on a Porn Game forum? Man, is there EVER a better place?

The only way this can be a problem for you, is if you are one of those P.O.S. creating the type of content that gets the *'s out. So, yeah. It is relevant. It is important. And we should all worry about this tech, before it destroys lives, just for a quick fap of a lazy fuck on an internet forum of a porn game.

Peace

I'm just trying to get Liz and Amy to gag on my MC's cock faster than 3 fps (or however fast I can click my mouse.) AI has a lot of negatives but if I can animate Liz teaching Amy how to deepthroat, then that's an absolute win in my book.

Solve the world's problems in a pirate porn game forum if you like. I'll be over here fapping for as long as I can before Skynet sends a T-600 to merc my ass.

 

[FatGiant]

I'm just trying to get Liz and Amy to gag on my MC's cock faster than 3 fps (or however fast I can click my mouse.) AI has a lot of negatives but if I can animate Liz teaching Amy how to deepthroat, then that's an absolute win in my book.

Solve the world's problems in a pirate porn game forum if you like. I'll be over here fapping for as long as I can before Skynet sends a T-600 to merc my ass.

Just never mind what you put up in the air...

Peace

 

[Karaido]

Why?

Because I can't in good faith, endorse or use a technology, with this type of potential downfall without at least ponder on it's problems. That's why it is already a problem. That's the exact problem, it is inextricably linked to the usefulness of it. You and everyone, want to bury your head in the sand and just go with it's useful to make videos I can fap with, forgetting that what makes YOU fap and what makes one of those P.O.S. fap, are made with the same tool.

I don't know either, if there's away to stop this, what I do know, is that every advance made in that direction without, AT LEAST, caring that it has the potential to create a LOT of problems, is completely irresponsible. And bringing it up on a Porn Game forum? Man, is there EVER a better place?

The only way this can be a problem for you, is if you are one of those P.O.S. creating the type of content that gets the *'s out. So, yeah. It is relevant. It is important. And we should all worry about this tech, before it destroys lives, just for a quick fap of a lazy fuck on an internet forum of a porn game.

Peace

At this point of your logic you could also criticise the invention of cameras as a whole since you can create the most disturbing content with pictures and videos. Who cares if billions of people can take photos of their loved ones, vacations, pets, cars or whatever. No, just because a few people take videos of executions, gore and worse, cameras should be seen as a problematic technology.

 

[FatGiant]

At this point of your logic you could also criticise the invention of cameras as a whole since you can create the most disturbing content with pictures and videos. Who cares if billions of people can take photos of their loved ones, vacations, pets, cars or whatever. No, just because a few people take videos of executions, gore and worse, cameras should be seen as a problematic technology.

Good. Very good.

If tech is to be considered independently of it's uses, it is VERY good.

Unless it isn't. And then, when it HITS you where it hurts, you can go back to fapping to the great videos of ** you made.

You know, when you are defending an AI making fake videos because you get your rocks off, somebody, somewhere, will be thinking how to make that tech work for them in ruining someone's life, getting away unscathed while you fap, and fap, and fap.

Good. Very good. I hope you have fun living in that nightmare, I will not be here much longer. Fap along.

Somebody once said "You can't fix stupid" and it's true... Fap away, fap away.

Peace

 

[Shadowuzzo]

I would animated only the car's repair. It would absolute cinema

 

[John Nada]

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Just never mind what you put up in the air...

Peace

Lol, I doubt my horrific attempts at AI animations of someone else's porn game will move the needle one way or the other on the adoption and widespread use of AI. And I hate to break it to you, FatEgo, but neither will your admonishments. But you've signaled your virtue so mission accomplished, I guess?

 

[XK271]

Calling out people for using a shitty technology with a lot of negatives (economic, environmental, and ethical) isn't virtue signaling. If more people did it, maybe the world wouldn't be as poorly off as it is right now.

 

[Dragon1982]

Man, I'm seeing a lot of drama over AI-generated content. I honestly don't know what to think of all that.

 

[FatGiant]

Man, I'm seeing a lot of drama over AI-generated content. I honestly don't know what to think of all that.

I don't know if I can help, but I can try.

1- It is a new tech. It is a tool for the creation of fake videos, almost (and potentially completely) indistinguishable of reality. Some here want to use it to create animations of still scenes, with or without the intervention of the Dev.

2- It is a new tech. With the same OLD problem. Unscrupulous and mentally deranged people are using it's video generation potential to create the most vile and most obnoxious content.

I am being called virtue signalling because I say we ALL must ponder this and think before we jump into a maggot filled hole of which we can't escape. The same tool that creates and generates the content, is capable of analyzing it. Maybe it takes a bit longer, maybe it has more false positives, maybe it will slow it's advancement, or maybe not. Maybe we should make sure that the content it creates has some kind of standard? That it will not produce the type of content that will destroy lives?

There are, right now, blackmailed teens and young adults with these fake videos. There are already sites made specifically for the sharing of them. Of mothers, wives, grandmothers, children, parents with children, some as small as days old. Police forces are investigating and making arrests, but, there's still no legal framework for this. It is in this quagmire that even the Dev of this game agrees that we should be.

My position in this is: Think and wait, make any and all efforts to prevent harm. Jumping into this bandwagon feels VERY wrong. We have lived without this tool, we have never had any lack of content, we surely can wait until it gets some brakes on it, before we go in.

Hope this helps and clarifies my position.

Peace

 

[whatone]

Somebody once said "You can't fix stupid" and it's true...

Peace

 

[John Nada]

I don't know if I can help, but I can try.

1- It is a new tech. It is a tool for the creation of fake videos, almost (and potentially completely) indistinguishable of reality. Some here want to use it to create animations of still scenes, with or without the intervention of the Dev.

2- It is a new tech. With the same OLD problem. Unscrupulous and mentally deranged people are using it's video generation potential to create the most vile and most obnoxious content.

I am being called virtue signalling because I say we ALL must ponder this and think before we jump into a maggot filled hole of which we can't escape. The same tool that creates and generates the content, is capable of analyzing it. Maybe it takes a bit longer, maybe it has more false positives, maybe it will slow it's advancement, or maybe not. Maybe we should make sure that the content it creates has some kind of standard? That it will not produce the type of content that will destroy lives?

There are, right now, blackmailed teens and young adults with these fake videos. There are already sites made specifically for the sharing of them. Of mothers, wives, grandmothers, children, parents with children, some as small as days old. Police forces are investigating and making arrests, but, there's still no legal framework for this. It is in this quagmire that even the Dev of this game agrees that we should be.

My position in this is: Think and wait, make any and all efforts to prevent harm. Jumping into this bandwagon feels VERY wrong. We have lived without this tool, we have never had any lack of content, we surely can wait until it gets some brakes on it, before we go in.

Hope this helps and clarifies my position.

Peace

It's virtue signaling because you're not imparting any new information and you're simply trying to show what a thoughtful, ponderous, and moral person you are by getting hysterical about the risks. Everyone is aware of the speed at which AI is advancing and there are innumerable discussions across innumerable platforms about the risks that come with it. You then call people who use it POSes (pieces of shit, in other words), stupid and accuse me of having my head in the sand. That's the moralizing component of the virtue signal. You're making a moral judgement of others who disagree with you.

Every single new technology comes with risks. Even cavemen back at the dawn of time had to risk getting burned while using fire. This is nothing new. It's up to each person to individually determine how to use new technology in a safe and responsible manner. I bet if AI can diagnosis a cancerous tumor in a CT scan of your child that a radiology tech or doctor would have missed, you'd probably be singing a different tune about whether or not you will use AI. Personally, I won't use it for some things, others I will. One thing I know for certain is that humanity has never stopped the adoption of new technology, no matter what risks came with it. Name one technology that people have collectively agreed to forego. I bet you can't. So there is no stopping this, only using it responsibly.

To another person's point, this is a thread for a porn game. I shared an AI animation of image from that porn game. That's about where the discussion should have ended. If you want to bleat on about the risks of AI, then take it an off-topic forum

 

[FatGiant]

It's virtue signaling because you're not imparting any new information and you're simply trying to show what a thoughtful, ponderous, and moral person you are by getting hysterical about the risks. Everyone is aware of the speed at which AI is advancing and there are innumerable discussions across innumerable platforms about the risks that come with it. You then call people who use it POSes (pieces of shit, in other words), stupid and accuse me of having my head in the sand. That's the moralizing component of the virtue signal. You're making a moral judgement of others who disagree with you.

Every single new technology comes with risks. Even cavemen back at the dawn of time had to risk getting burned while using fire. This is nothing new. It's up to each person to individually determine how to use new technology in a safe and responsible manner. I bet if AI can diagnosis a cancerous tumor in a CT scan of your child that a radiology tech or doctor would have missed, you'd probably be singing a different tune about whether or not you will use AI. Personally, I won't use it for some things, others I will. One thing I know for certain is that humanity has never stopped the adoption of new technology, no matter what risks came with it. Name one technology that people have collectively agreed to forego. I bet you can't. So there is no stopping this, only using it responsibly.

To another person's point, this is a thread for a porn game. I shared an AI animation of image from that porn game. That's about where the discussion should have ended. If you want to bleat on about the risks of AI, then take it an off-topic forum

Man, you are arguing the wrong thing.

I am not saying it isn't useful, practical, etc... It is.
I am not saying that it shouldn't be used, there's really no stopping it. As you said.

All I'm saying is that it is already causing problems. That those problems need solutions. That these very useful elevators need brakes. And, I am saying that we should consider them before the cables break when we are stuck in them 20 floors up.

What you are reading is that I am against you using a tool, when what I am saying is that the tool needs to be regulated, whether you use it, or not, and I am telling you why.

I know our lines don't cross, so, I am discounting that, but, the fact that you are fighting me just doesn't help the argument. Like these electric scooters or whatever they are called, the small platforms with wheels and a shaft, that are extremely useful for mobility in the cities. They are here. They are being used. Massively. Causing traffic crashes, causing injuries, being extremely fast, simple and useful. They HAVE to be regulated, have insurance (like everything else that is on the roads) and so on,and so on...

The same needs to happen with this new fangled tool for video generation, or image, or sound, or voice, or music... it is useful, it is fast, simple to use, it is already causing issues because it is being used badly by bad people. It needs regulation. How, when, what? That's a bit too much for me. But we can't be living in a lawless, unregulated, wild wild west anymore.

That's all.

Peace

 

[Bluejucar]

My version of Joey's Relationship Wiki*
UPDATE: Changes reflect MC's relationships thru v0.89 | Part 6 The other singer is back! OMG We're so close with Amy!

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*Joey hasn't updated in a long time ... I'll still link it here if I see a new one.

I could've sworn that Akio was re

My version of Joey's Relationship Wiki*
UPDATE: Changes reflect MC's relationships thru v0.89 | Part 6 The other singer is back! OMG We're so close with Amy!

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*Joey hasn't updated in a long time ... I'll still link it here if I see a new one.

I could've sworn Aiko was related to the Lee Family. I remeber Shizuka said that Aiko didn't have to do any sexual favors for the Yakuza becasue she was the daughter of either Miss Lee or Mr Lee

 

[Elhemeer]

I could've sworn Aiko was related to the Lee Family. I remeber Shizuka said that Aiko didn't have to do any sexual favors for the Yakuza becasue she was the daughter of either Miss Lee or Mr Lee

I don't remember Aiko ever being related to anyone else in the game ... If you can find that information I'd be happy to fix that content. I also don't remember her being guaranteed not to ever be used that way under Mr. Lee ... although I feel like somewhere it said Mrs Lee was trying to protect Asami and Shizuka, but not sure about that.