VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.17.2] [Runey]

[Master of Puppets]

Man... I'm sorry, but I really have to question if you've played the game. Almost everything was explained in those events.

I've played everything except the contest event itself, which I never pretended to have played. If anything I mentioned was explained in that, then disregard it of course.
I don't want to get into a debate on the minutiae of the scene, but I shared my thoughts because you asked for them specifically, of me personally.

Spoiler: Details of the event (yes, some of them are quite minor)

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Look, I apologize, but for me it's getting very annoying. So many of your questions can be answered if you read the story. Instead, I'm explaining every other dialog that happened in Lin's events. Feedback is one thing, saying "It might be better if you do a little more of this, or explain this a little better in game" is one thing. But you've been asking me to explain things which are already explained in game.

Almost everything I mentioned is integral to the event itself, and couldn't possibly have been explained in the event I skipped. And I wasn't asking for any of them to be explained here. I was just noting a few things that stood out to me during the event. If you don't think any of them need changing that's fine, I was just providing feedback like Android asked me to.

 

[TheDevian]

Runey keeps posting this a lot. Well, not "a lot". If I remember it correctly, this is the second time that Runey posted this. But he will probably post it again, soon. Why does he keeps saying it again and again?

Also, "Android" is an android and androids are a type of robots, right? And MC is having sex with her, right? So, when he has sex with her, is it a Robosexual sex? Or the androids in this game aren't the robot-type androids? Then, WHAT are they? I am confused.

Also, I am a robot (or an internet troll, pretending to be a robot, you decide). So, if "Robosexuality is an abomination", does it mean that I can't be romantically and sexually attracted to humans? Does it mean that I can't play this game? I mean, if I can't be attracted to humans, why should I play this game?

Or does Runey says it because he doesn't want me to play his game because he hates me for some reasons? Why? Did I do something wrong?

It's okay, they are only digital renditions of people, you are safe.

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The cornwall arc is more or less done now as of v0.6, if that means anything for you.

Here I was hoping to eventually become one of his advisors, like Autumn's dad, continuing to help things get better (on top of just providing shelter to any elf who wants it).

Ah, sorry, put it in spoiler tag now.

Yeah, the side character treatment makes sense, and it's another reason I and possibly others didn't comment much on that before. Just, before one realizes a character's a side character, it's possible to get one's hopes up. XD It's just a risk of the design.

As to the rest, the best way I can say it is...

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Hope tomorrow (Today?) is better, and just to make clear, absolutely love the game!

On the point of the timing of the event, it only happens when you get to a certain point with those characters, if you work on one character at a time or so, it's less of an issue ...usually. Hard to do one update at a time, especially when scripted events happen outside of your control, but it's not too bad.

 

[Runey]

I am aware of all that, but it still doesn't explain it. The government regulates all sorts of things, but it doesn't mean they set the prices. Look, I understand wanting to set a fixed price for gameplay reasons, but it doesn't make it sound any less strange, and that's all it was; an observation that it sounds strange.

The "price of the elf" part of that is what sounds strange. You've previously used the analogy of picking up a stray here; if you do that, you have to pay for a dog license, but you don't have to pay the price of the dog - you found that.

I guess it seems odd because of the situation. If they had asked him to meet them there, it would make sense, but with the kidnapping and threatening, surely they shouldn't expect him to keep his word? He's going to say yes regardless of whether he plans to go through with it or call the cops as soon as he gets home.

Now these are definitely the right questions to ask.

In short, yeah, the whole system doesn't make a ton of sense compared to our world. It's just sort of how things happened to work out. If you were to pick up an Elf, and say it's yours without doing the paperwork and officially buying it, then it would never be truly claimed. That Elf could be stolen from you, and you'd have no way of legally getting it back since there's no documents stating you own this Elf.

However, if a slave runs away, the contract is deemed broken by the Elf. The government assumes that owner was at fault. After all, why would a dog run away and refuse to come back if not for you treating it badly? So the Elf is put back into circulation. Cornwall though is very smart about these things. He knows how to keep an Elf on a leash, so to speak. So it's very hard to simply run away.

The kidnapping thing, also a very good question. I would say Sui is a very... Unlogical? Person. She does things based on her emotions. Both Sylvia and Ann didn't quite agree with doing this, but Sylvia figured there wasn't exactly a better option, but Ann definitely didn't want to follow Sui's plan, but did anyway due to wanting to stick around and help them.

I'm talking about the choice with two large black buttons, one that says "Buy them" and one that says "Don't buy them". That is most definitely there. Why give the player a choice that does literally nothing, not even alternative dialogue? I was just suggesting that that choice could influence how receptive you are to the whole affair.

Also a good question. Those two dialog choices were meant to put the player in a different state of mind. I wanted them to think "Oh shit, okay. Here's the big choice. Do I help them? Do I not?" Then Lin comes out of left field, totally unexpected from the Player.

 

[Futanari-CumSlut]

So... There are some, eh?

Well I mean it probably would not take much open up the dialogue script and go through it for the word "Daddy" and then find any similar strings with different names attached to trigger them.

Tbh, I am just too lazy to do it myself especially if some else had already made a list of the names I was looking for

 

[Runey]

Well I mean it probably would not take much open up the dialogue script and go through it for the word "Daddy" and then find any similar strings with different names attached to trigger them.

Tbh, I am just too lazy to do it myself especially if some else had already made a list of the names I was looking for

The only other thing I can think of is naming your Android "Pixel", haha. There's not many at all.

 

[HathgarNiche]

That change log does not add up in the numbers department. it says 49 new events, but i only counted 33 in the listing?

 

[Runey]

That change log does not add up in the numbers department. it says 49 new events, but i only counted 33 in the listing?

Someone is currently in the process of better representing the amount of content added. For example, One of Lucy's new events has 3 angles for an animation, which for me is technically 3 different animations. So I would count the event, and the three animations as 2 scenes.

The big number at the top is basically what new has been added/changed. So, Maria's new sprites would also count towards that big number. As would the bar, it's upgrades, Jin being in Lin's room, etc etc.

The process my buddy is currently going through is changing "Event" to "Scene" to better represent what all is being added, and what all you can experience in the game/update.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Also a good question. Those two dialog choices were meant to put the player in a different state of mind. I wanted them to think "Oh shit, okay. Here's the big choice. Do I help them? Do I not?" Then Lin comes out of left field, totally unexpected from the Player.

I thought that might be what you were going for, and it's certainly effective at that. It would still be neat to have it affect what MC says when he does get around to answering them, though. Most other choices you make don't change where you're going either, but do change how you get there.

Also, unrelated to the other discussion, I've been experimenting with video encoding and I've been able to compress a 21 frame animation down to less than the size of a single frame before I start noticing any compression artefacts. Given that by my count animated frames make up almost half of the size of the game, you could shave a lot off the filesize by replacing the frame sequences with proper webm files.

 

[Muramasa0]

So... Mythic Manor 2?

 

[waffel]

So... Mythic Manor 2?

qué?! 0.o'

 

[Master of Puppets]

Also, back on the subject of elves, something has been bothering me; you were Lin's first, because she never consented with any of her previous owners, right? But wasn't she a slave for hundreds of years before slaves were given what few rights they have, which only happened a couple of decades ago?

 

[Muramasa0]

qué?! 0.o'

Both games are the same style, same models (even though the graphic engine it's the same) and even the plot is similar.

 

[Runey]

Also, back on the subject of elves, something has been bothering me; you were Lin's first, because she never consented with any of her previous owners, right? But wasn't she a slave for hundreds of years before slaves were given what few rights they have, which only happened a couple of decades ago?

Yep. As I've said, even though rape wasn't illegal to Elves, it wasn't exactly normal or socially accepted. It was rare, but not unheard of. After all, for roughly 150 years, the government was rules by crusaders. Any sexual activities with Elves was probably seen as a Sin, and may even still be considered that.

But in honesty, I just wanted Lin to be pure.

 

[Runey]

Both games are the same style, same models (even though the graphic engine it's the same) and even the plot is similar.

Jikei and I both use Honey Select and Renpy to make our games. We also use a keyboard and mouse, and I assume even a monitor.

In fact, 90% of games here are made with Daz and Renpy. Just so happens Jikei and I both use Honey Select instead. I don't like Daz at all.

 

[aolli]

Both games are the same style, same models (even though the graphic engine it's the same) and even the plot is similar.

Similar game mechanics and same graphics engine, thats it. The models are very different and the plots are based on the individual characters which are also very different.

But in honesty, I just wanted Lin to be pure.

Good decision.

 

[Nekura]

Also, back on the subject of elves, something has been bothering me; you were Lin's first, because she never consented with any of her previous owners, right? But wasn't she a slave for hundreds of years before slaves were given what few rights they have, which only happened a couple of decades ago?

I've had this thought myself and decided that if that's the case I'm going to choose to believe that she got lucky with a string of Masters that didn't/wouldn't force her to do something she really didn't want to do. Far fetched I know but untill someone give me a better reason that's what I'm sticking with.

 

[RexDaGod]

So glad you use honey select, Daz model just look creepy as fuck to me most of the time. So glad more people using honey select. How do you export the models though since its not like Daz where its built to be exported for other use.

 

[Runey]

So glad you use honey select, Daz model just look creepy as fuck to me most of the time. So glad more people using honey select. How do you export the models though since its not like Daz where its built to be exported for other use.

I agree! Haha.

I take pictures of NEO, the build in scene maker for Honey Select, then put those images in Renpy.

 

[Rythan25]

I see the elf slave story has surfaced up again LOL, I have already said my piece and what I disliked about the orgy competition (not a lot surprisingly). So I will just skip that drama, and instead ask... once the none-broken pirated version is released, what elves are available for purchase ? As of v0.6 is it just Jin (Lin's sister) ?

Personally So long as Runey doesnt bring back Cornwall or his buddies for another event, thus meeting new elves to feel sorry for, I would hope we could purchase all the ones from the orgy event...I am not a fan of the Drow as she was tall and lanky, also I felt the least sorry for her as she fought her "trainer" off for the most part, and felt nothing during intercourse she did accept... but even her I would have the MC buy... So obviously the ones I felt terrible for I would try to buy first...

In order of how I would buy them...

1. Sui (thats the wood/common elf ?) the one that was crying through every event and got abused physically despite Runey saying they dont, she was about to get struck by her asshole handler and hence why he decommissioned her away from him.

2. Sylvia - I know Runey said she knows this dance and has partaken in this before... and he would know he writes the game... that said I didnt get that from her at all, to me she just seemed like she was standing strong for the other elves.... Like how a Royal would try to keep his dignity so that her subjects still respect and get inspired by her character. I mean she comes in all prideful and complaining the asshole took away her tattoos that signify her as a "higher elf" in order to pretend she was a slave, and then agreed to subjugate herself as his whore in most events except one.

3. Dark elf - I though she and her master were nearly Lin and MC levels of close, so I was ok with her at first, but if you win the event you see her master get all petty and shun her, thus I did feel bad for her... she was basically his prize horse, and when she finally lost, she was replaceable to him.. at least he didnt talk about "putting her down".

4. The drow - whats the master gonna do, tickle her with his 8 inch dick when she needs 13+ to feel anything ? She can wait lol.

As to how to get them, or reason behind being able to buy...

Sui - she should be on the market as she was taken away by a negligent owner.
Sylvia - Cornwall cant keep her in check as he thought, or gets bored of her defiance, and sells her to MC to see if she can bring out the "love" in her.
Dark Elf - simply ask her owner to sell her to us, and he will cause she's no longer a "winner"
Drow - The owner sells her cause he cant understand her, or please her LOL.

 

[Master of Puppets]

Yep. As I've said, even though rape wasn't illegal to Elves, it wasn't exactly normal or socially accepted. It was rare, but not unheard of. After all, for roughly 150 years, the government was rules by crusaders. Any sexual activities with Elves was probably seen as a Sin, and may even still be considered that.

But in honesty, I just wanted Lin to be pure.

That makes sense (and she obviously got lucky), but it's not the impression I got from the game. I looked it up in the script, and it was Kali's event 15, "kalilinmaid" that had the relevant exchange in it. Lin mentions laws being put in place to protect elves, but it sounds like it was a long time ago - at least that's the way I read it.