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I'll go a step further and say definitively that there is no such thing as random at all.
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Pi baby goes on forever with no repeated sequences so Pi contains all possible combinations of numbers, therefore if you were to draw up a number-letter substitution 1 being an etc you would find somewhere in Pi a complete telling of your entire life past present and future in extremely granular detail (what you had for breakfast this morning of the exact mass of each and every shit you have ever or will ever take)

and that was your daily mind fuck brought to you courtesy of this pornographic video game piracy forum
Which brings us to , a website that procedurally generates 'books' that are 1,312,000 characters long in the English alphabet, with punctuation and such included. Every possible combination of those characters is included, so it theoretically has every book that has ever been written or will be written with those characters, along with every script and a copy of this exact page's HTML code, including this very post. Hell, Harem Hotel is written in Python so the code for v1.0 should be in there somewhere.
 

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Well i said fuck it and kicked in yet another 10 into this to get the beta for this month annnd yeah the images from the new version are pretty blurry did you downgrade the image quality runey?
 
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I'll go a step further and say definitively that there is no such thing as random at all.
3.14159265358979323846
Pi baby goes on forever with no repeated sequences so Pi contains all possible combinations of numbers, therefore if you were to draw up a number-letter substitution 1 being an etc you would find somewhere in Pi a complete telling of your entire life past present and future in extremely granular detail (what you had for breakfast this morning of the exact mass of each and every shit you have ever or will ever take)

and that was your daily mind fuck brought to you courtesy of this pornographic video game piracy forum
Haha. That said, you are going to come much close to random rolling a set of dice over and over (d10 for simplicity's sake), than you will get from a computer. One of the reasons digital 'dice' are not allowed at tournaments.
 

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Computers can't do true random, they have a tendency to go in 'strings', this is why, for example, in Fallout's VATS system, you could have a 95% chance to hit, and miss 10 times in a row. There really isn't much that can be done about it.
Well that really depends on what method you're using. Good pseudorandom generators are good for everything but crypto, and /dev/random is good for that as well. A lot of bad pseudorandom generators have been used in the past, however.
Also you have to remember that humans just plain suck at handling probability; a significant number of people will complain after just one '90% hit' misses. I recall reading that in XCOM they tweaked the system so that when it displays 90%, the actual odds are in fact better because they got so much whining from playtesters about it.
 

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Well i said fuck it and kicked in yet another 10 into this to get the beta for this month annnd yeah the images from the new version are pretty blurry did you downgrade the image quality runey?
Thank you! You're on PC/Mac, right? Can you send me an image of bad quality?
 
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I have to say, AWSOME game !!! Five stars, from me !!! Just trying to get enough $$$ to buy the other 4 elves... All these girls saying don't cum inside, well M/C has no pullout game... Let's see what comes out of it...
 

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So i am going to date myself, there is a RPG called cyberpunk [pen and paper] we all had a choice, roll 9 d10 or 6d10 +25 pip i think [might have been +30?] for our stats, the GM was pretty certain we would have middle to above average rolls, i rolled 84 out of 90, he didnt like that and me roll the lesser with the "+" pips, i rolled 87 mind you both rolls were in front of him and 6 others... he looked pissed and had me take the lower of the 2 rolls... they were with Dice actual dice, and this guy named nick had an electric dice wand, and spent like an hour after that trying to get CLOSE to what i rolled, never did.
turns out the die roller just had a list of 30 rolls and went down them [per die type]
if we hadn't sat there and rolled it over and over he likely never would have figured that out.
 
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I have to say, AWSOME game !!! Five stars, from me !!! Just trying to get enough $$$ to buy the other 4 elves... All these girls saying don't cum inside, well M/C has no pullout game... Let's see what comes out of it...
I'm wondering how Runey will handle the pregnancy content. That's assuming he's still planning on adding it, anyway.
 
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I'm wondering how Runey will handle the pregnancy content. That's assuming he's still planning on adding it, anyway.
I'm hoping that if he does add it that it's 100% avoidable.
This:
The save worked perfectly.


The plan is for pregnancy to be involved at the end of the game, once you beat every girl's story, as an option.
Impregnation will be in the game at the end of every character's story in v1.0. You'll be able to have pregnant sex, I think. But getting a girl pregnant will result in you losing a ton of sex scenes. Like, all of the dungeon and exhibitionism content.
The search in the top right corner is such a mighty tool...
 

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Computers can't do true random, they have a tendency to go in 'strings', this is why, for example, in Fallout's VATS system, you could have a 95% chance to hit, and miss 10 times in a row. There really isn't much that can be done about it.
The first clause is correct - computers can't do true random, but they can get pretty damn close if you pick a good seed for the random number generator. A popular one is some variation on the current time (in nanoseconds).

The second clause is incorrect. Computers only doing pseudorandom is not why that happens. Why that happens is either:
  1. Bad luck - every random sequence has a chance to happen, so some people have to get the bad results, just like some people get the good results. The chance of missing 3 times in a row at a 95% hit chance is 0.05 * 0.05 * 0.05, which is 0.0125%. 1 in 8000 attempts will get that. 10 times in a row has, of course, a MUCH lower chance. But with millions and millions of attempts, someone is going to hit it. But if it happens too often, it's probably #2:
  2. Bad design/programming. That 95% shown might not actually be 95%. Or they may have butchered the calculation.

I'll go a step further and say definitively that there is no such thing as random at all.
3.14159265358979323846
Pi baby goes on forever with no repeated sequences so Pi contains all possible combinations of numbers, therefore if you were to draw up a number-letter substitution 1 being an etc you would find somewhere in Pi a complete telling of your entire life past present and future in extremely granular detail (what you had for breakfast this morning of the exact mass of each and every shit you have ever or will ever take)

and that was your daily mind fuck brought to you courtesy of this pornographic video game piracy forum
If you had a big enough computer you could simulate the entire universe, because "random" is human perception. Nothing is truly random. The closer we get to being able to do this, the higher the chance that we are actually living in a simulation.

Which brings us to , a website that procedurally generates 'books' that are 1,312,000 characters long in the English alphabet, with punctuation and such included. Every possible combination of those characters is included, so it theoretically has every book that has ever been written or will be written with those characters, along with every script and a copy of this exact page's HTML code, including this very post. Hell, Harem Hotel is written in Python so the code for v1.0 should be in there somewhere.
This is a subset of the infinite monkey theorem. Infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters given infinite time would produce the works of Shakespear.
 

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I have to say, AWSOME game !!! Five stars, from me !!! Just trying to get enough $$$ to buy the other 4 elves... All these girls saying don't cum inside, well M/C has no pullout game... Let's see what comes out of it...
Thank you so much! You know, there is actually a way to give this thread 5 stars ;)
 

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The first clause is correct - computers can't do true random, but they can get pretty damn close if you pick a good seed for the random number generator. A popular one is some variation on the current time (in nanoseconds).

The second clause is incorrect. Computers only doing pseudorandom is not why that happens. Why that happens is either:
  1. Bad luck - every random sequence has a chance to happen, so some people have to get the bad results, just like some people get the good results. The chance of missing 3 times in a row at a 95% hit chance is 0.05 * 0.05 * 0.05, which is 0.0125%. 1 in 8000 attempts will get that. 10 times in a row has, of course, a MUCH lower chance. But with millions and millions of attempts, someone is going to hit it. But if it happens too often, it's probably #2:
  2. Bad design/programming. That 95% shown might not actually be 95%. Or they may have butchered the calculation.
Perfect explanation, thanks!
If you had a big enough computer you could simulate the entire universe, because "random" is human perception. Nothing is truly random. The closer we get to being able to do this, the higher the chance that we are actually living in a simulation.
Well that computer would per definition not be part of that universe, or else it would have to simulate the univers *and* itself, which is not possible.
This is a subset of the infinite monkey theorem. Infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters given infinite time would produce the works of Shakespear.
And that is a theorem I never believed. Even infinite monkeys could decide to just type the letter 'A' and nothing else, each time for all eternity. No Shakespear written. Just because they do *not* produce random output.
 
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O.k. peeps, got all the Elves available... Was I wrong for making them equal, and not slaves ???
 

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So i am going to date myself, there is a RPG called cyberpunk [pen and paper] we all had a choice, roll 9 d10 or 6d10 +25 pip i think [might have been +30?] for our stats, the GM was pretty certain we would have middle to above average rolls, i rolled 84 out of 90, he didnt like that and me roll the lesser with the "+" pips, i rolled 87 mind you both rolls were in front of him and 6 others... he looked pissed and had me take the lower of the 2 rolls... they were with Dice actual dice, and this guy named nick had an electric dice wand, and spent like an hour after that trying to get CLOSE to what i rolled, never did.
turns out the die roller just had a list of 30 rolls and went down them [per die type]
if we hadn't sat there and rolled it over and over he likely never would have figured that out.
6d10+25 is typically better than 9d10, and 6d10+30 is better under any circumstances. It would be strange to let players choose between 9d10 and 6d10+30; why would you ever pick the 9d10? That's bloody good luck with those rolls though; I was curious just what the odds were and a quick Monte Carlo sim has the answer converging on about 300,000:1 for an 84 and 6,000,000:1 for an 87.
 
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And that is a theorem I never believed. Even infinite monkeys could decide to just type the letter 'A' and nothing else, each time for all eternity. No Shakespear written. Just because they do *not* produce random output.
The key there is "infinite" and "monkeys". No way all of the infinite monkeys could keep the concentration and will required to only hit "A" over infinite time! :p

In a non-pedantic explanation, the idea is if you have enough random events, you will generate things that don't look random. Things can look non-random, but still be random.
 
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