I mean it's beyond a lot of people really.
It's quite sad that people would be so insecure in their own works as to be this petty and vindictive, but well...it happened.
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It's quite sad that people would be so insecure in their own works as to be this petty and vindictive, but well...it happened.
1. Honey Select is a game, not just a modding tool. However, like most recent Illusion games, the majority of features are geared toward making scenes. There is very little actual gameplay with a few exceptions among their titles. Illusion is the only entity created it and they decided to try distribution outside Japan through a third party, Fakku.
2. No, the game IS NOT free, however, it isn't super expensive either. The issue is in the availability. Most sources available to the west are pirated, yes. The sole exception to that in regards to Honey Select is Fakku.
3. Yes, the main purpose of the game is to view and make scenes, though it can also be viewed as a game of the trainer or management genre due to the ability to actually create and train the characters to act a certain way based on how they are treated.
4. Yes, as of even now, Illusion technically maintains the stance that using Honey Select to create other games, Harem Hotel for example, is fine. The issue is that Fakku, more specifically, Jacob, the owner of Fakku, made a statement that contradicts this and there is no word from Illusion directly on this. As far as anyone on the outside can tell, Fakku only acts as a distributor and distributors typically only get the right to distribute in the region requested. They don't normally get the power to make decisions like this, especially by themselves as it appears Fakku did at the moment.
5. Yes, now Fakku is claiming the policy regarding use of assets in other games is changing to not allow it without purchase of the product, which Jacob has said he is willing to facilitate 'for a price.' There is no direct word from Illusion, though there is apparently a third party that still seems fishy.
Sadly enough, I remember that clause. Not word for word, mind you, but I remember it existing. It was a stupid thing to add, as a joke or not.There actually used to be an actual clause in the terms of use for Word that stated that it was prohibited for users to create documents with Word, it was most likely created by one of the devs as a joke, because y'know, everyone reads the terms of use.
This does indeed sound like a cash grab, which is exactly something Fakku and Jacob would do. In fact, he's been in on a few in the past. The biggest one so far was the debacle over the attempted revival of the official Hentai Haven website as a legitimate site through Fakku, where Jacob offered to help get the site legit status and nearly pulled the rug out from under the owner of Hentai Haven, trying to completely absorb the site before he pulled the plug on the deal and it shut back down.
I don't suppose it means anything that I bought HSU because of HH? Just trying to help, you know.
Search didn't return anything for me, but I just triggered the beach scene with the two sisters. My stats weren't high enough at the time. Is there a way to do this event again or is it a one time thing?
Don't forget, you have should have plenty of auto saves if you need to go back
Lets hope we don't have another situation like patreon and incest where a bunch of d-bags that personally don't like it just report any game that they can that has it. Now instead of a dev being reported for incest content...the dev will be reported for using HS for their content.
Thats probably what started this in the 1st place...a white knight that likes to act like hes "doing the right thing" when in truth...they're doing it because game developers are using assets that they don't like and aren't catering to their tastes so they go to fakku about it to get the ball rolling. Lets hope this blows over and nothing happens.
Thats probably what started this in the 1st place...a white knight that likes to act like hes "doing the right thing" when in truth...they're doing it because game developers are using assets that they don't like and aren't catering to their tastes so they go to fakku about it to get the ball rolling. Lets hope this blows over and nothing happens.
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LOL posts like this prove the copyright situation is justified. People don't even know Honey Select is a game itself.
Mmm I'll eventually go back and do it but it's a ways back. Maybe add an option to re-trigger it until the scene was viewed?Don't forget, you have should have plenty of auto saves if you need to go back
- May 22, 2017
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See, I wouldn't call it abuse. Making characters for your own games using Daz3D or Honey Select/Koikatsu isn't that different. Sure the latters are games first and the creative things you can do with it isn't the main point of it but the characters like in Harem Hotel are still Runey's creations using Illusion's software.
Now, I admit the companies (and maybe even law depending on where you're at) might not feel the same way I do but I'll also admit I don't know that. I wouldn't mind an official statement from Illusioin whether or not they feel it's ok to use the characters you create in their games in your own things.
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Well, it may be true to call it a game, but the problem with that statement is simple - the experience is bare-bones as hell if taken as a "game". The character creator is truly the focal point of this product. It allows you to create the perfect male and female protagonists for your own scenario with character creator features that dwarf those of some other games that can be justified to be called that and comes with features that allow for easy import and export in order to tinker around even more. The bits of fluff around the resort hotel with Sitri, the receptionist, as well as the possibility to build relations with those characters that are created are just that - padding to justify calling this a game, not an elaborate toolkit for character creation. Because in the end, you are still asked to either import or create characters of your own for both sides in order for you to enjoy this excuse for a game because besides that, is has not all that much to offer.
Besides, Illusion tolerating the use of characters/assets derived from its software for years without ever interventing further shows that the main focus is more on the creation of characters and sharing those scenarious surrounding it instead of focusing on what little the "game" has to actually offer. Furthered by this is the point that a truckload of the modding surrounding HS is focused around improving the character creator part by adding more features, fine tuning sliders, allowing more sliders etc. etc. - You may call it a game all day long, but it has been mainly used and will probably keep on be used as a character creator.
Even just googling or watching a 10 minute review on youtube would help you figure that out.
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Legally this doesn't really matter. It was sold as a full retail game. Might as well try doing the same thing with a character you made in Fallout 4 and explain it away by saying you didn't think the game was good enough.
So are you going to argue Mario Maker isn't a game and Nintendo doesn't have any rights now?
There's a huge difference between not doing anything and actually approving of it. They had no legal foothold outside of Japan until the deal with Fakku. It's not really that different from any other Japanese developers that sign publishing deals with foreign companies for western releases. Same reason Deep Silver owns a ton of Japanese games in Europe.
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So, I'm gonna put the answers to those points in spoilers, as I had quite a lot to say... gee I need to learn to shorten my answers and get to the point.
It seems I gave off the wrong intention with my answer and it may have sounded like I am protecting unauthorized use of software, that's far from the case. It was merely that I felt that people will just "blame lazy devs who enjoy using HS" instead, while the entire thing is way more nuanced than it appears on first glance.
The long takeaway from it? That this had to happen, sooner or later, was clear. No argument needed. Why did devs do it regardless? Because they actually enjoy working with it, some have an artistic vision and wanted to tell a story - but also had next to no funds and thus had to resort to this. Not everyone is an artist or 3d modeler, most of them had next to no money but still a vision. I can see where they're coming from and I'm not ashamed to admit that I've been supporting some of them, one being Runey.
Anyways... I'm gonna refrain from further straying this discussion off-topic. I gave my answers and am basically done talking. If any of you wish to further that discussion, give me a PM, I won't mind giving my two cents.
and to Runey - hope the situation will unfold for the better for you - I'd hate to see this project getting the axe, because I've been enjoying it from version 0.2 or 0.3 onwards - it's been quite a while.
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It seems I gave off the wrong intention with my answer and it may have sounded like I am protecting unauthorized use of software, that's far from the case. It was merely that I felt that people will just "blame lazy devs who enjoy using HS" instead, while the entire thing is way more nuanced than it appears on first glance.
The long takeaway from it? That this had to happen, sooner or later, was clear. No argument needed. Why did devs do it regardless? Because they actually enjoy working with it, some have an artistic vision and wanted to tell a story - but also had next to no funds and thus had to resort to this. Not everyone is an artist or 3d modeler, most of them had next to no money but still a vision. I can see where they're coming from and I'm not ashamed to admit that I've been supporting some of them, one being Runey.
Anyways... I'm gonna refrain from further straying this discussion off-topic. I gave my answers and am basically done talking. If any of you wish to further that discussion, give me a PM, I won't mind giving my two cents.
and to Runey - hope the situation will unfold for the better for you - I'd hate to see this project getting the axe, because I've been enjoying it from version 0.2 or 0.3 onwards - it's been quite a while
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- Mar 20, 2018
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As soon as there's news it will get plastered all over every thread for every game using Honey Select.
the news is, illusion themselvs are going to deal with the issue thanks to that ass hat TowerCrow and his freaking idiot friends for snitching to fakku and also sending emails to illusion themselvs asking about this specific issue to try and get HS users shut down because "its to easy to shit out a game" that last part in quotes is from towercrow himself. he hates HS users and there is proof of him saying it.
Personally, I'd rather hear updates on how v0.8 is progressing.