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It's not incest if they don't have sex with EACH OTHER, even if it's a 3-some.
Of the several sister pairs in the game, MC can only have sex with 2- Kali/Lucy and Felicity/Emma. K/L is a 3-some, but we don't see them doing ANYTHING with each other, and F/E just is a voyageuristic scene where Emma WATCHES Felicity give fellatio. (Or was it the other way round? Clones, you know...) Of the others in the game, sex with Autumn is developing, but MC's relationship with her sister Hazel is poor. We know that Kim & Ally have at least occasional sex with each other, but MC is currently on the outs with them. Lin and Jin share a room, but like K & L, we never see them doing anything. Maria & Hana also share a room now, and we know Maria is bisexual and Hana seems as if she would be open to sex with her, but they are not actually biological sisters.
The incest love hotel is open and there are several couples outside, but no one's going in.
BTW, is there any Kate action AFTER I've answered all of her riddles? I've done it twice now, but nothing happens, other than she wants some time alone. I've already had the pizza restaurant event, but nothing further has happened.
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Well, I'm sorry you didn't like the direction. I didn't intend for Vanessa to come off in a way that made the player think "Urgh, just go away" whenever she's on screen. That's why I wanted to make her look like a dumbass in certain areas, such as when she assumed too much about you, which she wont in the future anymore. MC and Kali will grow on her though, especially after that event, and she won't be as annoying as you considered her here. You're right though, with the racist character.
She is self aware of how passionate (and agressive) she is over this stuff. After all, most of Syl'anar thinks elves are nothing but animals. MC and Lin know just as well as Vanessa does that it's annoying when people don't understand that they're equals to humans.
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You're being way too nice and feeding the trolls way too much. First that Freeman guy and now this. Screw them. Your game is awesome. The trolls who don't like games with parallels to real world politics should be forced to go play Epiclust's "Apocalypse" over and over, and pay him a boatload of money to do it.
Love your work. My favorite girls - although it's very hard to judge - are probably:
Ashley (top waifu, yandere)
Lin (co-top waifu, subby)
Andy (Galatea, Pinnochia, etc.)
Autumn (preposterous yet disarming naivete)
Emma ("shadow" to her sister)
Felicity ("mean girl")
Maria (probably the hardest for you to make stand out, because she doesn't fit any stereotype, and she knows it)
Lucy (another "shadow", the younger sisters are always more precocious!)
Kali (tsundere)
Moon ("what's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?")
Jin (jfc! the tits! the tits! ... I'm blind!)
the bar ho mama (i know i should feel bad about cream pies here, which is why I only kept a backup save for that)
Nia
the dark elf (forget her name)
others
You've done such a fantastic job at creating highly individualized characters, a whole world with an entire history and an interesting and continuously developing plot, and a uniquely structured game (repeatable events, relation building, story). There's nothing else like it here. Thanks for your hard work.
- Sep 22, 2018
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I actually somehow managed to fix it.
don't have any idea how.
but to answer your question: no. I simply installed and opened.
- Mar 20, 2018
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Since none of the sisters are actually fucking each other when the game starts it's going to take a while to break down their taboos regarding that. We'll probably see Kali and Luci do things together eventually, though. Kali seems like she might be two scenes from sitting on her sister's face if Luci keeps pissing her off. The twins will take longer, but it's already been hinted at as a future development.
Ultimately, the toggle is there because Patreon can be pretty vindictive about this stuff and it's better to play it safe. Some of the Kali-Luci threesome scenes are probably sufficient for Patreon to start giving Runey ultimatums if they find out about truestory as it is.
This game has been on my favorites list since day 1 and i can only name two problems with it...
First one is updates tend to take a long time for relatively short content
Second is the fact that ive been waiting for ages for nia's love content and im still waiting
First one is updates tend to take a long time for relatively short content
Second is the fact that ive been waiting for ages for nia's love content and im still waiting
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Also Patreon has demanded before that Runey change Ashley looks outfit as she looks otherwise too young especially in her normal high school uniform. And I know another dev who say he had too take long time discussion about some small content he had in the game or even some "too much" revealing image he has on his Patreon site.
So you can either be a little bit "panaroid" or spend a lot of time with them to explain your site of the coin of things. Altough this is somehow the first step in self-censor...
So you can either be a little bit "panaroid" or spend a lot of time with them to explain your site of the coin of things. Altough this is somehow the first step in self-censor...
getting unsupported image errors on almost everything. I'd like to know if this is just a me problem or not
how do i get the sport day bar expansion? i don't se it as an option. do i have to talk to someone first to unlock it?
- Feb 3, 2018
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Hi, I just want to throw my hat into the Vanessa ring myself. I'm not going to speak for Nala, but I think she fits in here too, just slightly different since she's more "scholarly" rather than "activist" from what I can gather.
I'm not R, and I don't speak for him, but from a worldbuilding perspective, someone like Vanessa is natural and is to be expected in a game or a narrative that focuses on slavery and forms of systemic oppression. Yes, the voices of the oppressed are important, and the various elves serve their places well. But, a study of history shows that external voices from the "privileged" group are necessary to enact change. Without leaving America, or going straight to macro things like Lincoln, Republican lawmakers in the 1850s, or other general abolitionist movements, we have the Underground Railroad, whose success was reliant on white abolitionists willing to sacrifice their own freedom to aid escaped men, women, and children flee to better lives in Canada or the Northern states. There additionally is the story of John Brown, a white man who led armed insurrections in Kansas and Virginia with the goal of liberating slaves. These "privileged" individuals are important to the narrative of change and the fight for equality, and their viewpoints and actions should serve to further nuance the reality presented in a work and better reflect the realistic flow of history. Without them and their equivalents, history becomes lopsided and less nuanced, with the reverse being true as well. A living world with these issues would have these external members fighting alongside those oppressed. It's not politics nor is it superfluous, it's realism. Vanessa's role in this story is that of a smaller activist type figure trying to get her message across, unsuccessfully it looks like. That type of story within the larger universe, while not necessarily necessary in itself, is a way to portray the struggle on a smaller scale, opposed to the expansion of rights under Cornwall, the actions of the church, or whatever Kali's Dad is doing which is more macro and in line with say the growing economic concerns of slavery in the North as a leading cause of abolitionist thought, or the rise of Republican Party, or new religious lenses born out of a new Great Awakening, which is more high-level political and/or cultural changes.
I'm not going to talk about her politics and the "MAGA and Antifa" stuff, because that's trivial and separate from what I was actually talking about, in my opinion.
Anyways, see you next needless controversy.
I'm not R, and I don't speak for him, but from a worldbuilding perspective, someone like Vanessa is natural and is to be expected in a game or a narrative that focuses on slavery and forms of systemic oppression. Yes, the voices of the oppressed are important, and the various elves serve their places well. But, a study of history shows that external voices from the "privileged" group are necessary to enact change. Without leaving America, or going straight to macro things like Lincoln, Republican lawmakers in the 1850s, or other general abolitionist movements, we have the Underground Railroad, whose success was reliant on white abolitionists willing to sacrifice their own freedom to aid escaped men, women, and children flee to better lives in Canada or the Northern states. There additionally is the story of John Brown, a white man who led armed insurrections in Kansas and Virginia with the goal of liberating slaves. These "privileged" individuals are important to the narrative of change and the fight for equality, and their viewpoints and actions should serve to further nuance the reality presented in a work and better reflect the realistic flow of history. Without them and their equivalents, history becomes lopsided and less nuanced, with the reverse being true as well. A living world with these issues would have these external members fighting alongside those oppressed. It's not politics nor is it superfluous, it's realism. Vanessa's role in this story is that of a smaller activist type figure trying to get her message across, unsuccessfully it looks like. That type of story within the larger universe, while not necessarily necessary in itself, is a way to portray the struggle on a smaller scale, opposed to the expansion of rights under Cornwall, the actions of the church, or whatever Kali's Dad is doing which is more macro and in line with say the growing economic concerns of slavery in the North as a leading cause of abolitionist thought, or the rise of Republican Party, or new religious lenses born out of a new Great Awakening, which is more high-level political and/or cultural changes.
I'm not going to talk about her politics and the "MAGA and Antifa" stuff, because that's trivial and separate from what I was actually talking about, in my opinion.
Anyways, see you next needless controversy.
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oh wow, im seeing a lot of problems extracting the game =.=. okay, uh did anyone else download from the mega link and can tell me whether the file is corrupted as well.
Personally, I would have liked to have said more to defend ourselves and Kali with her there, but I can also see why that would be difficult, based on choices that could have been made, what part off Lin's story they might be in, and the fact that most of what we do for the elves is supposed to be a secret.
Remember, many of the girls were not perfect when they started, and this is only her 2nd appearance.
I do look forward to seeing her meet Nia.
Remember, many of the girls were not perfect when they started, and this is only her 2nd appearance.
I do look forward to seeing her meet Nia.
okay, I redownloaded from mega and still keep getting this problem. I'll just wait out this time so someone can help me eventually lmao.
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I get this. And I am not against Vanessa as a character. When she was introduced I at most rolled my eyes, and since Kali actively and openly shot back when she was antagonized just for being a Ternero, I was ok with it.
Notice I didn't complain about Vanessa then, but I do so now. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that my problem isn't the character herself, but this specific event.
Hence I suggested how "not making it one-sided" would've improved the scene. Runey stated multiple times he intended for that as well, that he tried to make her look dumb for making assumptions, however its clear for how little resistance any character shows that he didn't make it.
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I'm sort of baffled by the response to Vanessa.
MC is a literal slave owner. Sure, he has good reasons, at least if you're playing the love route with the sanctuary elves. But Vanessa doesn't know that, and an abolitionist being initially hostile to someone who owns slaves should be a given. I expect very few slave owners in the Harem Hotel setting would prove themselves better than Vanessa's initial assumptions; it just so happens that MC is one of them.
I can also say from personal experience that when you're getting insulted by people saying things that are objectively untrue, perhaps the most effective tactic is to not let it bother you (if you can manage that), and let them demonstrate and eventually realize their own foolishness. MC getting angry would have served to justify Vanessa's view of him, in her eyes. MC can't defend himself factually against most of the accusations she's leveling against him, because some of it is secret, and other elements rely on knowledge that MC has but Vanessa wouldn't believe. I'm sure most slave owners would claim they're not abusing their slaves, and some might even claim that their slaves like/love them, but how many is it true for? Probably almost none.
Vanessa is definitely aggressive initially, and makes a lot of assumptions, so I don't fault anyone for disliking her. But I feel like people who get mad that there's an angry "SJW" abolitionist in the game have been deluding themselves about what sort of game Harem Hotel is. Harem Hotel has always been political, and it's always had flawed characters.
As for anyone who thinks Vanessa is too close to real world politics... unless you're an 18th century slave owner, I don't see how that's the case. The tactics Vanessa employs are tactics that have been employed by a lot of people fighting for civil rights throughout history. They're not exclusive to any modern movement.
MC is a literal slave owner. Sure, he has good reasons, at least if you're playing the love route with the sanctuary elves. But Vanessa doesn't know that, and an abolitionist being initially hostile to someone who owns slaves should be a given. I expect very few slave owners in the Harem Hotel setting would prove themselves better than Vanessa's initial assumptions; it just so happens that MC is one of them.
I can also say from personal experience that when you're getting insulted by people saying things that are objectively untrue, perhaps the most effective tactic is to not let it bother you (if you can manage that), and let them demonstrate and eventually realize their own foolishness. MC getting angry would have served to justify Vanessa's view of him, in her eyes. MC can't defend himself factually against most of the accusations she's leveling against him, because some of it is secret, and other elements rely on knowledge that MC has but Vanessa wouldn't believe. I'm sure most slave owners would claim they're not abusing their slaves, and some might even claim that their slaves like/love them, but how many is it true for? Probably almost none.
Vanessa is definitely aggressive initially, and makes a lot of assumptions, so I don't fault anyone for disliking her. But I feel like people who get mad that there's an angry "SJW" abolitionist in the game have been deluding themselves about what sort of game Harem Hotel is. Harem Hotel has always been political, and it's always had flawed characters.
As for anyone who thinks Vanessa is too close to real world politics... unless you're an 18th century slave owner, I don't see how that's the case. The tactics Vanessa employs are tactics that have been employed by a lot of people fighting for civil rights throughout history. They're not exclusive to any modern movement.