Who said anything about trying to make anything something else? I personally don't care if it is or not. These are slaves we're talking about, aside from the Owl Clan and the elves under the PC, their will is as good as nonexistent. They could easily be 'persuaded' into letting it happen just by their master holding something precious hostage. Perhaps a family member also in the same household as a slave, perhaps something else. All it takes is to give the elf in question a reason not to refuse and we already know that a very large portion of Syl'anar is willing to do some pretty bad things. Not enough to keep the threat of being kicked out of office away from Cornwall or he never would have made those reforms to appease people, but enough people that the living situation is bad for enslaved elves even without taking their status into account. Hospitals sick security bots on them, they are treated as sexual entertainment, a whole host of horrifying things.Stop trying to make everything rape.
There's never been a single non consensual sex act depicted (on screen) in HH, other than the elf orgy scene I mentioned earlier with Nia where Runey made a huge point of saying non consensual sex of any kind was not allowed in the universe.
Your entire post before this displayed, like I said, a fundamental misunderstanding of the clearly established rules regarding consent in HH.
There's way to much mental gymnastics going on comparing both your posts. It's tiresome. Nobody wants to rape elves. Maybe someone does. I don't know, who fucking cares. This is depressing, I was just fapping to elf tits for years and then convos like this became a thing.
Guy suggests he'd would have liked to see primitive elf banging. Runey says no, in my universe they're oppressed, sex = abuse.
Fine K. Makes sense within the context of the story.
Slightly related, same guy says he would like to see fairy one-a-holing. Runey says no, in my universe this would kill the fairys. Fine K. Boring but fits in the context of the universe.
Now you take this exchange, and imply within your own headcanon that the Owl Clan primitive elves are mental children. They're so primitive and backwards that there is no scenario where any member of the tribe could give consent to the MC in a scenario that has not been imagined and does not exist. Statutory rape you said. Low Land Elves who are living, albeit impoverished, close to how they've lived for centuries before the humans came, could not in any circumstance give consent to a human for sex.
What a depressing fucking headcanon. Give me Disney's Pocahontas any day over this bleak gray mush. I'm gonna shoe horn it into my own headcanon just to make me feel better. In my headcanon when humans first invaded there was a dashing human captain who fell in love with a lowland elf chieftain's daughter and they had a hot forbidden consensual love affair. Then he died tragically and she mourned him for the rest of her life. Fuck it add in a spaceship as long as anything fucking goes.
You know what, as long as we're just making shit up because our first post was so fucking ignorant of what the game universes rules are, make everything rape. That drunk lady the MC can fuck at the bar? She can't consent, she's drunk. Make it rape.
All those times the MC cums in Kali when she tells him not to? Rape. The drow in the sex orgy was kind of a mental midget right? Literal caveelf. Doesn't even speak the language. It was rape.
Fuck making everything rape in my own headcanon makes me feel so powerful. By fucking holy Gaius this is a rush.
HH is so fucking dark and gritty, having a genuine emotional moment with sad Ashley sucks compared to telling people how much fucking rape might be going on somewhere, never shown in game, never depicted.
It's like big corporate media conglomerates dipping one toe into being progressive. Look, two out of focus women kiss in the background of the new star wars movie. Boring, make me feel the homosexuality, I want more. Make Oscar Isaac's and John Boyega's characters super gay. Make them flaming gay and have them have a interracial makeout scene on camera.
There you go. That's HH now. A guy can't even suggest that he would have liked to see primitive elf sex without the author saying "No, doesn't fit into the context. It would be abusive." Which would be enough, all that would need to be said on the matter. But here you come alex2011, on rape train, blowing the rape whistle. Stop it. I'll scream I mean it.
I'll give you the point there hasn't been anything non-consensual, but the question then becomes whether the elves gave that consent willingly or if they did it because they feared retribution on themselves or another for refusing. If they did it out of fear, it is not true consent, which is different from consent. True consent is someone actually giving their consent with no persuasion or push from an outside party, they actually want to do the thing they are consenting to. What, are you telling me the elves want this stuff happening to them? I'll believe that when the system falls and the elves crawl to us begging to be enslaved all over. Until then, their consent is meaningless because it is under duress. It may be enough not to put up a rape tag, again, I don't care about that, but they definitely don't want this stuff to happen to them.
I'm not implying that the Owl Clan actually are primitive, I was talking about how Syl'anar views them. They literally live out in a barren area in dwellings bearing a striking resemblance to those of some Native American tribes. Of course Syl'anar might make the assumption that these are just savages who wouldn't know consent if it hit them in the head. I in no way said I believed that to be true of the Owl Clan. If my wording seemed to send that message, I apologize, that was not my intent.
Again, I in no way made everything rape, I never said that it was all rape. Also, it is a VERY different situation to cum inside during a consented sexual encounter than to carry out a non-consented sexual encounter or a sexual encounter where consent was given under duress. If you want rape, that's fine, do it to your own project or keep it in your headcanon until such time as Runey allows such a scene into his. I'll stick to what Runey gives us and the impressions and theories that come up because of it.
Also, again, this is all theory based on the evidence presented by Runey so far, so chill, it's nothing to get riled up over.
My point was not the actual knowledge held by the Owl Clan, but how they are potentially perceived under Syl'anar laws. A person who is perfectly capable of something can still be seen as incapable by law and, given their primitive lifestyle, I would think Syl'anar doesn't see the Owl Clan as anything more than a bunch of savages, much like how the people of Colonial America viewed Native Americans, given that primitive lifestyle despite the Owl Clan being every bit as capable as other facets of elven society to live modern lives. I wouldn't be surprised a single bit if there was ever a scene where they were treated like literal animals, legal or not, though I wouldn't want that to happen and I'm pretty sure we're on the same page there. Not much has been explored in the legal relationship between the Owl Clan and Syl'anar as far as the elf slavery laws and the reforms thereof, so I've been left to theorize with my theories quite obviously leaning toward an anti-Syl'anar point of view given recent events involving a main girl. I literally hate Syl'anar's slavery supporters with a passion at this point, enough that, given a Nia-esque option, like all out war, that is exactly the path I would take to free the elves of their plight and to rid them of their abusers permanently.I never said Harem Hotel is not a porn game, what I said was "it has never been primarily a porn game." Harem Hotel is a porn game, but it is primarily an adult visual novel. There are absolutely aspects of a porn game in Harem Hotel.
I did, I even suggested a way I could do it that would make it not seem like systemic rape in the post you responded to. But your suggestion implied you just wanted to walk up to them and fuck them.
Relative to the minutes of story, there is indeed little sex. But in general and in comparison to other games though? There is a ton of porn content, and it's almost always animated, it's always being added in every single update too. There's early game sex, mid game training, and late game lust scenes, as well as sex that just appears in the story. Autumn has gotten some of the best exhibitionism training scenes IMO in this update.
I appreciate it
To add on to this, it's always been my goal to introduce 1 sex scene in story events every 3 or so story events. Those polled prefer 1:3 or even 1:4 (leaning towards more story) so as far as I'm concerned, in this regard I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing since the start of the game.
I have plans for including desert elves sexually for sure, and more plans for the owl clan.
I think the word you were looking for is "hypothetical scenario"? Hypothetically, you can have sex with members of the own clan and it could not be abuse like I mentioned in my last page. I put forth a hypothetical scenario where you can have sex with them. I think you might be misunderstanding this situation a bit.
Desert Elves aren't a primitive people. Their technology is primitive. They are mostly exactly the same as humans biologically. They know what rape is. I might be misunderstanding your point a bit though, just want to clarify.
Drow are actually a primitive type of people, the line of rape is blurred here as it is in a lot of places in nature. I won't go into detail, but nature be like that sometimes, especially when there are no social concepts in their species. I'm specifically only talking about inner-species rape, and not a human raping a drow. That's a different story.
And there are definitely ways masters abuse the consent law. MC can even sort of do this in the slave routes for Nia and Sylvia by restricting access to recreational activities.
Woah, relax. This is mental, dude. You inserted yourself into this conversation didn't you? You can leave it just as easily as you joined it.
I never said no to desert elf sex. As I mention above, I actually plan on it. Sex does not equal rape, it's contextual.
Alex wasn't right about everything, but you don't need to freak out.