A good plot also makes the porn better.
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That's good. If I could advertise this game on a visual novel website that allowed porn, I would do that and those people would probably come for the story first. But society demands lewd things stay in a bubble. Unfortunately those websites don't really exist.
And I would definitely classify this game as a porn game, that's just not the primary function. I know and hope people come to my game to enjoy themselves in multiple ways. That's why I continue to support and enjoy making training scenes and lewd scenes when the story allows for it.
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I know what you mean. I myself hope that sometime the 18+ games on video game console could be "true" 18+ games and don't need to hide the sex scene from their adult viewers, but I know better.
And I found your game a lot like a "fuck fest" game. You can come, take some girls for a spin. It is great for this even though it is not the greatest feature. The story and character (and lore) aspect is where its truly shine, but it is rather unique in how it combine this two aspect. You can very much ignore the "fuck fest" component and play the story or, after some point, you could very much ignore the story and only do lend things.
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Hey Runey!
Humans are hypocrites. They condemn others for things they do themselves. If your open minded and admit your consuming porn, or that your having sex (as adult) they point at you like that's something bad and perverted. Just look at the TV shows/films in the US. If there is crime, murder or durg abuse is ok... but dear god, what kind of an uproar is there if they see only an nipple of a female breast for an blink of an eye. I don't get it. Having sex (even the kinkier kind or some fetishes') is far more normal to what a living being should do than killing each other. Even in Europe (where i am from) it is considered a taboo to talk openly about sex/porn and your preferences.
I think it it sad that even in this enlightened times its hard to be open about it. Hey even (most) couples do not speak about their preferences when it comes to having sex, which often leads to relationships with an frustrating experience of sex in the long term, and i wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the main reasons why long term relationships often break apart.
I love your game not only why it has a lot of porn and delivers some stuff i am into, but also for the story. And hey congrats Runey,
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And the then i am really glad the way you implemented the BDSM stuff story wise. Cos in 99% of the porn games BDSM is like fucking rape without consent. Like you do it, doing minor stuff building trust with the MC and then going further is the most realistic approach i have seen so far. Ok you don't use save words, but if you do stuff to the girls they don't like the loose some trust in you and probably get mad and you have to show them that you are sorry (ordering gifts online and give it to them)
and even the stuff like edging is implemented in an (for a porn game) realistic way. I admit i would like some more of it even outside the dungeon but i am not in charge of the writing, and so i can say i am looking forward to your writing.
I hope you do not let haters get under your skin. And yeah some of your story is pretty moody but it adds to the atmosphere. At the begining i did not understand why you made Ashley as she is, but as the story continued i have come to like this char a lot. And i could understand why she behaved so in the beginning. I hope that you continue to surprise me in both regards story and porn content.
Have a nice day and stay healthy
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If it means anything I wish for such a site as well. I don't really come into "porn" games for the porn. Not that the porn aspect of your game is lacking mind you. It definitively isn't. It's simply that there does not seem to be much in terms of quality romance (as in romantic plot) content out there that isn't and isn't also aimed at women or teens or teenage women. And even fewer that isn't just empty romance for the sake of romance. It's like we grown men aren't allowed to be romantic.
Where as you and a few others on this site (although you are the best) actually provide quality romance content combined with good thought provoking and intellectual writing. And that fits both my desire for a good book (which this realistically is) and good romantic escapism from my otherwise dull and lonely life. All the while remaining realistic as opposed to going full chosen one messiah mode or highschool drama. The later of which is more depressing than enjoyable after a certain age.
So yes, there are in fact those of us that came here for the novel and stayed here for the novel.
Speaking of which just in the general field of literature your work has to be applauded. Your writing is just superb managing to perfectly thread the line between serious and lightharted to allow me to think about issues and generally exercise my brain without becoming too heavy and uncomfortable as such works often tend to be. I was rereading The Day of the Triffids the other day an whilst it had the same intellectual effect of making me think at some point I just had to stop because it became too "heavy" for lack of a better word. You don't do that.
And honestly I think that the porn actually helps with that. In fact, maybe it's precisely because you have to intersperse your writing with pornography or the fact that the gameplay format is such that I can just take a break if things get too heavy and do some open world sexy gameplay to "cool off" that allows the issues to not become overbearing whilst at the same time remaining strong enough to provoke thought and discussion. Not many great works of literature allow that.
Anyway, I hope you keep up the good work, finish this as strong as you started it and go on to make many more after that.
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Honestly, I don't know why people wouldn't prefer having a decent story before the porn anyways. Isn't it more rewarding to know how a character thinks, their personality, their motivations, their fetishes and sexual gratifications, and their backstory before fucking them? And how realistically the reactions would be to your actions with them? At least in my opinion, it's more of a romance game rather than a fuck-your-brains-out game.
But alas, I'm a (rather histrionic) writer myself, so I'd always welcome spicing up a porn game with it's own world-building. But really Runey, I'm sure you're no stranger to praise, but you're doing a great job with this game in all facets. It's certainly one of my favorite adult games I've played.
But alas, I'm a (rather histrionic) writer myself, so I'd always welcome spicing up a porn game with it's own world-building. But really Runey, I'm sure you're no stranger to praise, but you're doing a great job with this game in all facets. It's certainly one of my favorite adult games I've played.
Might be because of android 11?
i have 11 and it literally fucked my shit up, i cant play most shit on android anymore
and yeah i cant play hh because of fucking android 11
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People who have had a resolved this issue have told me that reverting to the second to last joiplay update fixes it.
Android's 14th scene is being remade!
Previously, it only had 2 images, then moved on to sprites. MC basically just had a choice of encouraging masturbation or limiting it.
Now he will help her cum. This scene has 21 images.
Previously, it only had 2 images, then moved on to sprites. MC basically just had a choice of encouraging masturbation or limiting it.
Now he will help her cum. This scene has 21 images.
if you mean developing beyond her normal programming then yes!
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If you're just looking for porn, there's a lot less clicking and reading required on pornhub. Story is the driving force behind why h-games are popular
Pornhub is dead. They ruined it and now its dead. Not sure what a good replacement is these days. But PH is dead.
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see that you quoted me due to having too many notifications enabled. I apologize if I came off nitpicky or whatever, like I said, I do love the game. The lore you built is interesting and I am invested in most of the characters. That said, I feel like you calling it "not a porn game" is a little disingenuous, but we can agree to disagree on that.
The "preachy" part wasn't the talk in the college, I admit I didn't skip that because I thought we'd get some interesting lore drops from her. It's the part where she visits Kali and discovers your elf shed. That whole part made me just wish it was over. Again, just an opinion. It seems like the story of you inheriting your grandpa's harem hotel isn't the focus anymore, and it's all about the elves.
Regarding the Owl clan, as you described it 'show up, abuse them, and fuck them' - yes, that would not be a good look, but this is literally a made up world where you can also get a blowjob at a pizza shop while pulling down a sleeping girl's panties and staring at her ass. Where is the line of what's acceptable and what's not? Seems silly that you can't work a consensual sex scene into the Owl clan bits without it seeming like systemic rape.
Anyways, that's neither here nor there, but as a random dude that played the early version of the game compared to this version, there has been a LOT of story and very little lewd to go along with it. You are 100% fair in calling this an adult visual novel, it's just jarring as somebody that didn't see the incremental updates that the first half of the game is loaded up on sex stuff and the most recent additions have basically nothing.
I don't make these criticisms from a place of arrogance or hate of you or your product, they're just simply my opinions on the game. Frankly, you've already provided me with a ton of awesome content, and I appreciate your work. Thanks for the reply!
The part about not being a porn game is true, a porn game focuses on the porn, this focuses on the story. The reason it was so loaded up in the early days was simply because there was only a fraction of the story we have now added at the time. The hotel itself wasn't really so much a focal point as it was setup for the true focal point. A way to establish the character to a point where the things that happened later could and that he could do things about those events. He can't go so far as to take down the whole system in one move, that would take an insane amount of resources, but he CAN take much smaller steps that will add up over time ONLY because he has the funding provided by his hotel income.
Getting away with a blowjob at a pizza place is quite a bit different than getting the consent of the Owl Clan, the people working at the pizza place are free and able to consent under Syl'anar law. I'm not even sure the Owl Clan members are able to consent and still be considered willing from a real world standpoint considering how primitive they are, only under Syl'anar law, which only takes into account the fact that they are elves as far as consent goes. If they were enslaved, we could literally rape them, they could literally be shouting for us to stop within earshot of another free person and it would still be considered consented to by Syl'anar law because they don't have free will. The will of their master is their own and his consent is theirs. That also brings up a valid point due to them being free ONLY because they are isolated. The fact that they are full elves alone means that consent is automatic under Syl'anar law because, legally speaking, they are as good as slaves even if they have not been processed as such. MAYBE something can be done once the slavery system falls, I don't know enough to determine that yet.
Skipping an entire chunk of story updates can be quite jarring, especially if one is not watching to see how it develops over time spent not playing. There is a reason behind the weak lewd to story ratio, that's because the game is story driven. It would be a failure as an adult VN if it put anything but the story first, but it does not.
I think this demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what Runey has put forward as consent in regards to slavery within the HH universe since day one.
You can not rape elf slaves legally. Every sexual action has to be consensual between master and slave for any sex act to be legal, ever since cromwell/cornwall, enacted laws to reduce abuse. (sorry always get mixed up on his name). Note this has always been the case, no retcon scenes have been added to fit this in. This was always how the game universe presented consent. The rules of the universe are very well presented in the elf orgy scene where we meet Nia for the first time.
As far as the Owl Clan is concerned I could easily imagine H scenes with the members that are consensual. I'm not super pining for those scenes though. Don't really care.
And obviously Runey is depicting their situation as extremely oppressed, downtrodden to the extent where he's not intending to sexualize them. A creative choice I understand and don't really care for one way or the other. Like I'd be fine to fuck some primitive elf bitties. I'm also fine with with not. So it's whatever.
However the idea that a fictitious scenario (fictitious in the sense of it's not in game) where the MC could have sex with members of the Owl Clan would automatically be a scenario where those sexual actions are "abuse" is laughable.
Sums up my thoughts pretty nicely.
That takes into account the less primitive elves in custody now, not the primitive Owl Clan that may not even have any concept of what it means to consent or not. It's like how real world statutory rape works, the victim can say clearly that they let it happen, even blatantly admit to asking the 'rapist' for it, but it is still considered rape because the victim is not mentally capable of consent by law either due to age/perceived maturity or some other factor. Taking into account that the Owl Clan elves are primitive by Syl'anar standards, they may not be counted as capable of consent even if they actually are capable. I in no way meant rape as in literal force, but as taking advantage of a lack of understanding or inability to understand perceived by Syl'anar law. We've seen little of the Owl Clan, so I can't get a sense just yet of how well developed they are compared to the rest of the elf population living in more...civilized areas, civilized being used lightly considering the presence of slavery. The law doesn't take into account the ability for an owner to use underhanded tactics to make slave elves give their consent 'willingly' instead of willingly. It DOES take into account being able to literally push them down on the spot as something disallowed, but holding something over them so that they would be forced to give their consent is not something that can even be determined as having happened let alone be covered by the law and I'm not sure any complaints of that would be believed because, you know, elf. Remember, the nicer treatment is just for show, a typical politician's trick to appease the masses. The shouting I mentioned could be excused by the person causing the Owl Clan elf to shout as fear of pain, embarrassment, any number of things that could cause a girl to say such things under completely consensual circumstances. That isn't exactly uncommon in other sexual media. The name is Cornwall, you got it right on that second one.
The line is basically the same as a the line between Syl'anar 'society' and a truly free society. Until the system is down, it can't really be determined whether true consent is in play.
Stop trying to make everything rape.
There's never been a single non consensual sex act depicted (on screen) in HH, other than the elf orgy scene I mentioned earlier with Nia where Runey made a huge point of saying non consensual sex of any kind was not allowed in the universe.
Your entire post before this displayed, like I said, a fundamental misunderstanding of the clearly established rules regarding consent in HH.
There's way to much mental gymnastics going on comparing both your posts. It's tiresome. Nobody wants to rape elves. Maybe someone does. I don't know, who fucking cares. This is depressing, I was just fapping to elf tits for years and then convos like this became a thing.
Guy suggests he'd would have liked to see primitive elf banging. Runey says no, in my universe they're oppressed, sex = abuse.
Fine K. Makes sense within the context of the story.
Slightly related, same guy says he would like to see fairy one-a-holing. Runey says no, in my universe this would kill the fairys. Fine K. Boring but fits in the context of the universe.
Now you take this exchange, and imply within your own headcanon that the Owl Clan primitive elves are mental children. They're so primitive and backwards that there is no scenario where any member of the tribe could give consent to the MC in a scenario that has not been imagined and does not exist. Statutory rape you said. Low Land Elves who are living, albeit impoverished, close to how they've lived for centuries before the humans came, could not in any circumstance give consent to a human for sex.
What a depressing fucking headcanon. Give me Disney's Pocahontas any day over this bleak gray mush. I'm gonna shoe horn it into my own headcanon just to make me feel better. In my headcanon when humans first invaded there was a dashing human captain who fell in love with a lowland elf chieftain's daughter and they had a hot forbidden consensual love affair. Then he died tragically and she mourned him for the rest of her life. Fuck it add in a spaceship as long as anything fucking goes.
You know what, as long as we're just making shit up because our first post was so fucking ignorant of what the game universes rules are, make everything rape. That drunk lady the MC can fuck at the bar? She can't consent, she's drunk. Make it rape.
All those times the MC cums in Kali when she tells him not to? Rape. The drow in the sex orgy was kind of a mental midget right? Literal caveelf. Doesn't even speak the language. It was rape.
Fuck making everything rape in my own headcanon makes me feel so powerful. By fucking holy Gaius this is a rush.
HH is so fucking dark and gritty, having a genuine emotional moment with sad Ashley sucks compared to telling people how much fucking rape might be going on somewhere, never shown in game, never depicted.
It's like big corporate media conglomerates dipping one toe into being progressive. Look, two out of focus women kiss in the background of the new star wars movie. Boring, make me feel the homosexuality, I want more. Make Oscar Isaac's and John Boyega's characters super gay. Make them flaming gay and have them have a interracial makeout scene on camera.
There you go. That's HH now. A guy can't even suggest that he would have liked to see primitive elf sex without the author saying "No, doesn't fit into the context. It would be abusive." Which would be enough, all that would need to be said on the matter. But here you come alex2011, on rape train, blowing the rape whistle. Stop it. I'll scream I mean it.