Lord Ashram

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Does this mean when v0.15 drops i'll have to wait for Ashram to update his mod before i can play since my save is from a modded version? If that's the case, is he going to be able to just release a quick continuation mod whilst he works on the full update or is that not possible even if planned?
People wait for month(s) for the dev to release an update to the game, they can wait an extra day (or sometimes only a few hours) for me to update the game's mod.

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I didn't mean for me to sound like an arrogant asshole.
 
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Uthuriel

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Some new quality of life features.

Black outlines around menu options, money, day number. (And this menu shows where you currently are so it always remains the same)
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Exit confirmation menu has been updated
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Pause menu updates
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Things like this is why you are one of my favourite devs... there is just no decline in quality with you.
Your game just keeps getting better and better.
Or to phrase it differently. Harem Hotel is clearly your passion project and passion is something that many devs lack. All they see is $$$ and then they get lazy.

Thank you Runey for your hard work. :D
 

Bingoogus

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People wait for month(s) for the dev to release an update to the game, they can wait an extra day (or sometimes only a few hours) for me to update the game's mod.
That's more than ok man, i'm not acting entitled, just curious how this stuff works, it didn't even occur to me that i might be unable to play without the mod until i read what Devian said and i was keen to be using your mod anyway, just had no idea if it was something where you can whip up a patched version that let's a modded save continue without the mod or if you'd need to fully mod the new version for modded saves to continue, i have no idea how modding works in Renpy and i was curious what that would mean for me as an end user.
 

Lord Ashram

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That's more than ok man, i'm not acting entitled, just curious how this stuff works, it didn't even occur to me that i might be unable to play without the mod until i read what Devian said and i was keen to be using your mod anyway, just had no idea if it was something where you can whip up a patched version that let's a modded save continue without the mod or if you'd need to fully mod the new version for modded saves to continue, i have no idea how modding works in Renpy and i was curious what that would mean for me as an end user.
I know you wasn't being entitled or anything like that, I was just pointing out that people have to wait for x amount of time for the dev so they can wait a few extra hours to a day or two longer for the modder to get their version out.

Now it would be much nicer if more devs and modders worked closer together so that the modder could get their mod out about the same time as the game dev. For instance even though I have worked with a few devs for various things, as of right now only 1 has added me to his team to both help with finding game bugs and code ideas but also maintaining an in-game walkthrough that players can choice to use or not. I also then maintain a Cheat Mod version separately to do extra things in the game.

As far as releasing a quicky update let me explain my process on how I update a mod to see why that can't be done.
I start of by making a code differential (using diff from the mingw-tools).
Then I backport all the changes from the newest version to the previous version of all the files I had to change.
Then I add my changes to the new content and test for any problems.
When everything is done and I don't find any issues then I release it.

I hope that explains everything.
 

Bingoogus

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As far as releasing a quicky update let me explain my process on how I update a mod to see why that can't be done.
I start of by making a code differential (using diff from the mingw-tools).
Then I backport all the changes from the newest version to the previous version of all the files I had to change.
Then I add my changes to the new content and test for any problems.
When everything is done and I don't find any issues then I release it.

I hope that explains everything.
It explains enough to give me a working idea but i definitely don't know enough to even know how much i don't know so i couldn't even begin to ask more questions. Thanks for the insight.
 
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yomigu

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I just realized something that I completely forgot to mention in my previous posts... Jinny! I was so disappointed when her breasts went back to their normal size after the hospital trip. She was my favorite elf design up until the size reduction, even though it was for plot reasons. I wish there was a way to return the milkers to their former glory lol. Maybe an event where she asks if she can get implants (which would be better than the hormonal drugs health-wise)? Honestly I don't know for sure if it would be in-character for her to do that, maybe it could be justified by her saying she missed having them or something, and now she doesn't have to worry about being mistreated by a slave owner. I don't know, all I know is her design was perfect the way she was! :ROFLMAO:
 
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I just realized something that I completely forgot to mention in my previous posts... Jinny! I was so disappointed when her breasts went back to their normal size after the hospital trip. She was my favorite elf design up until the size reduction, even though it was for plot reasons. I wish there was a way to return the milkers to their former glory lol. Maybe an event where she asks if she can get implants (which would be better than the hormonal drugs health-wise)? Honestly I don't know for sure if it would be in-character for her to do that, maybe it could be justified by her saying she missed having them or something, and now she doesn't have to worry about being mistreated by a slave owner. I don't know, all I know is her design was perfect the way she was! :ROFLMAO:
I don't think helping her is full-on tied to Lin's route. I've never not helped her, so I don't know what the alternate side is to that. She's a side girl. I don't think helping or not helping her intrudes on Lin's story.

I'll let someone else answer that.
 
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I just realized something that I completely forgot to mention in my previous posts... Jinny! I was so disappointed when her breasts went back to their normal size after the hospital trip. She was my favorite elf design up until the size reduction, even though it was for plot reasons. I wish there was a way to return the milkers to their former glory lol. Maybe an event where she asks if she can get implants (which would be better than the hormonal drugs health-wise)? Honestly I don't know for sure if it would be in-character for her to do that, maybe it could be justified by her saying she missed having them or something, and now she doesn't have to worry about being mistreated by a slave owner. I don't know, all I know is her design was perfect the way she was! :ROFLMAO:
Runey didnt like her old design or personality - shes gone for good. What you see now is what your getting from here on out. Trust me he intends of die on that hill regarding the changes whether or not we all tell him she was perfect as she was or not.
 

Runey

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I just realized something that I completely forgot to mention in my previous posts... Jinny! I was so disappointed when her breasts went back to their normal size after the hospital trip. She was my favorite elf design up until the size reduction, even though it was for plot reasons. I wish there was a way to return the milkers to their former glory lol. Maybe an event where she asks if she can get implants (which would be better than the hormonal drugs health-wise)? Honestly I don't know for sure if it would be in-character for her to do that, maybe it could be justified by her saying she missed having them or something, and now she doesn't have to worry about being mistreated by a slave owner. I don't know, all I know is her design was perfect the way she was! :ROFLMAO:

You don't have to pay for her transition, but that is the only way to continue her story.

In fact, I plan to add more story and sexual options to Jin before the transition, so it's definitely intentional for you to make that decision for yourself :)

Runey didnt like her old design or personality - shes gone for good. What you see now is what your getting from here on out. Trust me he intends of die on that hill regarding the changes whether or not we all tell him she was perfect as she was or not.
Let it go dude, you've been pissy about this for about a year now, it's the only thing you come here to say. That, or throw some other shade. You don't have to keep playing this game, and you certainly don't need to stalk this thread for any mention of Jin. Please stop this, it's deranged and unhealthy.
 

Runey

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big sad... she'd be perfect to raise money :(
While I won't ever add prostitution as a mechanic to this game, old Jin is not gone for good. As I mentioned above, I would still like to add story content and sexual scenes to the old version of Jin, which will also help in filling in some gaps. Don't listen to Skode, he comes here to troll every time someone mentions old Jin or he remembers to be upset about her.
 

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While I won't ever add prostitution as a mechanic to this game, old Jin is not gone for good. As I mentioned above, I would still like to add story content and sexual scenes to the old version of Jin, which will also help in filling in some gaps. Don't listen to Skode, he comes here to troll every time someone mentions old Jin or he remembers to be upset about her.
Here is some positivity for ya, mate. Keep up the great work and never change who you are. You won't be able to please everybody, but I'm waiting for the updates of the game to see what kind of changes that will happen for all the characters. The story and characters are nice, and knowing that you haven't given up on the project is also another plus. Just ignore the ones that are trying to get you to change your layout when you have other things planned for us people that are still willing to play the game and give you feedback instead of complaining. I enjoy the game a lot, but I stopped checking this thread out to keep myself from going insane with the lack of release content. Things take time, and I understand. Keep moving forward, friend! :)
 

Runey

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Here is some positivity for ya, mate. Keep up the great work and never change who you are. You won't be able to please everybody, but I'm waiting for the updates of the game to see what kind of changes that will happen for all the characters. The story and characters are nice, and knowing that you haven't given up on the project is also another plus. Just ignore the ones that are trying to get you to change your layout when you have other things planned for us people that are still willing to play the game and give you feedback instead of complaining. I enjoy the game a lot, but I stopped checking this thread out to keep myself from going insane with the lack of release content. Things take time, and I understand. Keep moving forward, friend! :)
Thank you :)

v0.15 will be releasing soon, I look forward to feedback.
 

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Thank you :)

v0.15 will be releasing soon, I look forward to feedback.
I'm so incredibly excited. My lectures don't start for another week so I can actually do a full play through from the start this patch.

If I don't forget I might make a spreadsheet with the events I did each day and what money I had. Might be helpful to identify which parts of the early game could use some content. Obviously given I don't forget

Thanks for all the great work, especially implementing the Map and QoL stuff
 
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Runey

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I'm so incredibly excited. My lectures don't start for another week so I can actually do a full play through from the start this patch.

If I don't forget I might make a spreadsheet with the events I did each day and what money I had. Might be helpful to identify which parts of the early game could use some content. Obviously given I don't forget

Thanks for all the great work, especially implementing the Map and QoL stuff
Thanks, that would actually be quite helpful! Restarting from the beginning during this patch would be a good idea. This patch should feel like it has a fresh coat of paint, more than most.
 

Skode

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big sad... she'd be perfect to raise money :(
Honestly i always thought the likes of her could be used as say a pole dancer for the bar to raise funds.
You don't have to pay for her transition, but that is the only way to continue her story.

In fact, I plan to add more story and sexual options to Jin before the transition, so it's definitely intentional for you to make that decision for yourself :)



Let it go dude, you've been pissy about this for about a year now, it's the only thing you come here to say. That, or throw some other shade. You don't have to keep playing this game, and you certainly don't need to stalk this thread for any mention of Jin. Please stop this, it's deranged and unhealthy.
When did you get so fragile or perhaps so egotistical that criticism means you can outright call people deranged and assume me a troll when you know fine well thats BS. You know for YEARS i was making huge long posts discussing characters, story beats and heavy laden with praise and you were all for it (my praise for you vs negatives is still about 18x more for post wise). Any criticisms i noticed in contrast were barely responded to and often resorted to merely dropping a face palm (whats the point of bothering?). If your salty over my not dick riding over the Jin changes you know i made long posts explaining my reasoning for disliking such radical changes, it wasnt me trolling one sentence posts and running away. In truth your conduct is why i barely engage in discussion here anymore even if there is still a great deal to like. Hell i no longer support you on patreon as per YOUR request (bizzarre request but your a bizarre dude...). I miss the long discussions with likes of The Devian about the game but you sucked the fun out of it for me (you, not your game, i still enjoy it but engaging more on the thread doesnt hold the same appeal no more and likewise with dropping "feedback" which i used to like doing for good reason and i can vouch for all your conduct as a person that you truly do strive to always improve your product as a dev and have taken on and actively changed content i requested get updated in the past - dude thats above and beyond most developers and cannot be praised enough).

Still humour me - what did i say that was trolling? Youve said in the past you didnt care for either her old model or persona. How the hell is it trolling referencing YOUR own words. You take this shit far too personally, to be reduced to petty insults? well i can return that in kind if that's what you truly desire unless you think me saying youll die on the hill over the Jin changes is somehow egregious ive not been name calling at you. Pretty sure we're both too old for this shit though Runey.
 
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Honestly i always thought the likes of her could be used as say a pole dancer for the bar to raise funds.


When did you get so fragile or perhaps so egotistical that criticism means you can outright call people deranged and assume me a troll when you know fine well thats BS. You know for YEARS i was making huge long posts discussing characters, story beats and heavy laden with praise and you were all for it (my praise for you vs negatives is still about 18x more for post wise). Any criticisms i noticed in contrast were barely responded to and often resorted to merely dropping a face palm (whats the point of bothering?). If your salty over my not dick riding over the Jin changes you know i made long posts explaining my reasoning for disliking such radical changes, it wasnt me trolling one sentence posts and running away. In truth your conduct is why i barely engage in discussion here anymore even if there is still a great deal to like. Hell i no longer support you on patreon as per YOUR request (bizzarre request but your a bizarre dude...). I miss the long discussions with likes of The Devian about the game but you sucked the fun out of it for me (you, not your game, i still enjoy it but engaging more on the thread doesnt hold the same appeal no more and likewise with dropping "feedback" which i used to like doing for good reason and i can vouch for all your conduct as a person that you truly do strive to always improve your product as a dev and have taken on and actively changed content i requested get updated in the past - dude thats above and beyond most developers and cannot be praised enough).

Still humour me - what did i say that was trolling? Youve said in the past you didnt care for either her old model or persona. How the hell is it trolling referencing YOUR own words. You take this shit far too personally, to be reduced to petty insults? well i can return that in kind if that's what you truly desire unless you think me saying youll die on the hill over the Jin changes is somehow egregious ive not been name calling at you. Pretty sure we're both too old for this shit though Runey.
I don't know much about the history between you and Runey but it really does sound like you're the one taking this more personal here dude. Like please just let it go and enjoy the game, you don't have to like Runey's decisions and that's perfectly fine, I've got some gripes too but enjoy their work nonetheless.
 
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