VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[Rutonat]

The bad feedback will mostly come from people that mainly want something to jerk off to. To be honest, yes, on this basis there are other games that will scratch that itch better or faster.
But what this game has over all of those is nothing to underestimate, at all. Runey you do more than just arouse with your game. You make us care about the characters, about them feeling better, figuring themselves out. Not every storyteller out there, especially with an adult game, can pretend to be able to do that.
Hell, I'm a huge fan of Superhuman, yet if I'm to be perfectly honest, while I love those characters and care about what happens with them in the amazing story the game tells, I'd say on a "personal" level, I care more about the characters you crafted in HH. You manage a level of psychological depth very few devs can achieve, even in non-porn games.

You're like a lot of other cases in the game industry. You won't get awards out the ass, but you'll have a die-hard core of very dedicated and loyal fans. Sure we're not gonna be able to fund you enough to buy your own space station to live in. But you'll also never see us turn away saying the game became shit, at the rate you're going.

Honestly.
Thank you for this game.

 

[Shadesishere]

*Snip*

Holy...

Wow, just wow Runey, when I suggested some ideas for things the MC to do, I honestly didn't expect anything like this! Bravo!

As for the rest : Ignore the haters, I personally think you've been doing a phenomenal job with your writing, although I can't help but think you missed something when you listed the characters and their themes... MC = Acceptance and Love (plus Sex), the MC accepts the girls as they are, good and bad, and I think the majority of players play as a "Nice Guy" for the most part.

Really looking forward to the next update.

 

[Cocoftw]

Hello everyone, can i upgrade from 12.4 to 15.1 without losing my saves?

 

[TheDevian]

Hello everyone, can i upgrade from 12.4 to 15.1 without losing my saves?

Yes, but you will need to download the full version, not the update patch.

 

[Cocoftw]

Yes, but you will need to download the full version, not the update patch.

Thank you!

 

[Lord Ashram]

..
The thing is that 70,78% of the users of this website are dumb as fuck... write shit like "uPDaTe wHeN" or ask for saves to access the gallery and missing the point of the game entirely.
..

You forgot to mention the extreme levels of emotional immaturity and not just the 12 year olds on here either.

 

[Debonkers]

Hello everyone. I may be posting here a bit more often in the future now that development has been going on \o/

A rant, feel free to ignore:
It is disheartening to see that as time goes on and Harem Hotel gains a clearer identity, that identity seems to be more and more misconstrued, specifically only by some people on this website. I'm not sure if the demographics of this website changed in the last year, or what, but it's one of the reasons I've been avoiding this place more recently. The clearer I try to become, both in game and with my words, the worse it seems to get here.

I want to be clear, Harem Hotel's overarching story is not about slavery. However Lin's story is, and every elf you encounter will have a story about slavery, but that should be obvious. They've all been enslaved.

Story is my sole focus. In simple terms, the story is about changing the world. More broadly, it's about fighting a very powerful injustice with your own justice in a near-future contemporary world that is a twisted mirror to our reality. (These are similar themes to The Boys, which is one of my favorite series right now)

Each character has their own story, each story has it's overarching themes as well. (Lin = Slavery/Hope) (Kali = Capitalism) (Ashley = Poverty) (Maria = Feminism) (Android = Humanity) (F&E = Greed) (Autumn = Freedom) (Next Character = Connection)
A lot of these descriptors are very reductionary. Many may be confused by what I mean by Maria = Feminism for example. By that I mean, she's our most independent woman trying to take her body back from higher powers, whatever they may be at the time. Other words could be used to describe these, and they obviously aren't the only themes. Many of these themes mix, like with Maria and Lin, or F&E and Ashley.

It's not my goal to write a depressive, dark story. It's quite the opposite in fact. Harem Hotel was always planned to have a happy ending. Every character's personal story is planned to have a happy ending, and even every character's arc within those stories are will have at least neutral endings. It's common writing sense to start each chapter off with a challenge that needs to be overcome by the end of it, and that's what I plan on continuing. I love writing all types of stories, and attempting to make the reader feel different emotions. I don't want to reduce myself, or be reduced to sadness. I hope that isn't the only emotion I'm making people feel. Though, apparently it is from the feedback I get here.

But I know most people who hold these opinions will never see this post, so I apologize for the rant. I miss coming to F95 to discuss lore or answer game questions or read suggestions / hopes for the future. All I've been noticing lately is this huge disconnect between me and a lot of people here.

If anyone would like some clarification, or would like to share their hopes for the future, I would love to discuss

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In other news, I finished a massive event for Android last week should be wholesome!
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I have also been working hard on Caliber's environments for the new early game MC-only explore events. Many things, like the ads are still under construction.

MC arrives in Caliber after first starting the game (optional at front door), not knowing anywhere to go, he Explores. At which point a small event will come up and you'll unlock some areas.
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After the Explore/Continue option, you will arrive at the "2nd Street", where you get more and different options. Each location is meant to have many short 2 - 5 minute events that will appear. You will likely have the ability to view 3 of these events in a row before going back to the hotel, 1 for each street.
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These images should also help the player get immersed in the culture of Syl'anar. Elvish slavery, androids, police with very expensive cars next to homeless people, etc etc
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Game so far has been great, looking forward to more

 

[Mindblowew656]

Does it work in android?

 

[KonfinedKnat]

Does it work in android?

Yes. There are instructions for how to use it in the OP.

 

[vbnmhjkl]

Thanks for talking to us Runey
I think you're going to have to choose (or lampshade) what these women actually want.
So far, on an individual level, they have gotten satisfaction from being owned, physically dominated, impregnated, sexually exhibited, told who and what they are, mentally dominated, told they are now in a harem, and tricked into corruption. (I went down the list of girls in order)
This is either what they actually wanted at that moment, or they have been mistreated by the MC, or they've just accepted being inferior to their sexual partner because that was their best choice at the moment.

So far they seem to want or accept the things that you're talking about: slavery, greed, being submissive.
So there's this contrast. Are these "problems," if your own characters desire them in small doses?
This game is a wish fulfillment fantasy, so exactly what wish are we fulfilling?
Do we want Maria to take back her full confidence and independence? Or would that be a disappointment? And for who?

I'm trying not to give my opinion on this subject, because this is your story. I'm just saying, it could be schitzophrenic or just plain dishonest if a character chooses to liberate slaves in public, and then goes home to bow down to her owner, with a big sultry smile on her face, later that same day.

 

[EscapesMe]

I'm trying not to give my opinion on this subject, because this is your story. I'm just saying, it could be schitzophrenic or just plain dishonest if a character chooses to liberate slaves in public, and then goes home to bow down to her owner, with a big sultry smile on her face, later that same day.

There's a big difference between sexual desires, and an actual deprivation of freedom. Someone can enjoy being subservient, without actually wanting to be a slave.
For many people, being able to give into those taboo desires is in itself very freeing so I don't feel that Runey's story is schizophrenic.

 

[vbnmhjkl]

There's a big difference between sexual desires, and an actual deprivation of freedom. Someone can enjoy being subservient, without actually wanting to be a slave.
For many people, being able to give into those taboo desires is in itself very freeing so I don't feel that Runey's story is schizophrenic.

No, I don't think so either. It's a question of how many questions will be left unanswered. Does it make perfect sense for anyone to condemn what they believe slavery is (or feminine subjection) when they have chosen it in their own life?
Isn't this a 'its fine for me to own a harem of subs and slaves, but everyone else has to accept that all women are free and powerful and independent and equal to their husband in every way!'?
I'm not asking if that is selfish, mean spirited hypocrisy, since life is always a struggle between classes and groups. I'm asking if the girls and MC are just kind of casually ok with imposing morality on others that they don't bother with in their own life. (If the real world is anything to go by, the answer is a strong yes, they will definitely impose a choice on others as long as it doesn't negatively affect them.)

 

[EscapesMe]

No, I don't think so either. It's a question of how many questions will be left unanswered. Does it make perfect sense for anyone to condemn what they believe slavery is (or feminine subjection) when they have chosen it in their own life?

Yes. Because no one in the hotel chose slavery. Lin isn't a slave for the MC, despite her official title or what her romantic and sexual relationship with the MC is.

Isn't this a 'its fine for me to own a harem of subs and slaves, but everyone else has to accept that all women are free and powerful and independent and equal to their husband in every way!'?

The women of Harem Hotel get treated with respect by the MC, and are free to pursue their own goals. The MC actively encourages it, and helps them figure out what and who they are as a person.
People that engage in fetish play have a lot of trust in each other and mutual respect.

I'm not asking if that is selfish, mean spirited hypocrisy, since life is always a struggle between classes and groups. I'm asking if the girls and MC are just kind of casually ok with imposing morality on others that they don't bother with in their own life. (If the real world is anything to go by, the answer is a strong yes, they will definitely impose a choice on others as long as it doesn't negatively affect them.)

We all impose our own morality onto others, hypocritical or otherwise. But I don't think there's a dissonance here, since I can't see how or why someone fulfilling a fantasy of being a breeding bitch can't also be against others being used against their will.

The girls wants the things the MC does to them. Slaves don't want to be slaves. It's two very different mindsets that in no way oppose each other.

 

[vbnmhjkl]

"Slaves don't want to be slaves"
This is the part that I partially disagree with.
Slaves that don't want to be slaves need to set themselves free, so that all the power rests in their own hands.

 

[Uthuriel]

"Slaves don't want to be slaves"
This is the part that I partially disagree with.
Slaves that don't want to be slaves need to set themselves free, so that all the power rests in their own hands.

It's not that easy. Like not even close.

 

[Perniciousducks]

"Slaves don't want to be slaves"
This is the part that I partially disagree with.
Slaves that don't want to be slaves need to set themselves free, so that all the power rests in their own hands.

They’ve tried multiple times collectively to do this not to mention innumerable times individually. It has mostly gone very badly

 

[TheDevian]

They’ve tried multiple times collectively to do this not to mention innumerable times individually. It has mostly gone very badly

In fact, that is part of what they are working toward. Spoiler: That's kind of the plot of Lin's story.

 

[Runey]

Thanks for talking to us Runey
I think you're going to have to choose (or lampshade) what these women actually want.
So far, on an individual level, they have gotten satisfaction from being owned, physically dominated, impregnated, sexually exhibited, told who and what they are, mentally dominated, told they are now in a harem, and tricked into corruption. (I went down the list of girls in order)
This is either what they actually wanted at that moment, or they have been mistreated by the MC, or they've just accepted being inferior to their sexual partner because that was their best choice at the moment.

So far they seem to want or accept the things that you're talking about: slavery, greed, being submissive.
So there's this contrast. Are these "problems," if your own characters desire them in small doses?
This game is a wish fulfillment fantasy, so exactly what wish are we fulfilling?
Do we want Maria to take back her full confidence and independence? Or would that be a disappointment? And for who?

I'm trying not to give my opinion on this subject, because this is your story. I'm just saying, it could be schitzophrenic or just plain dishonest if a character chooses to liberate slaves in public, and then goes home to bow down to her owner, with a big sultry smile on her face, later that same day.

No, I don't think so either. It's a question of how many questions will be left unanswered. Does it make perfect sense for anyone to condemn what they believe slavery is (or feminine subjection) when they have chosen it in their own life?
Isn't this a 'its fine for me to own a harem of subs and slaves, but everyone else has to accept that all women are free and powerful and independent and equal to their husband in every way!'?
I'm not asking if that is selfish, mean spirited hypocrisy, since life is always a struggle between classes and groups. I'm asking if the girls and MC are just kind of casually ok with imposing morality on others that they don't bother with in their own life. (If the real world is anything to go by, the answer is a strong yes, they will definitely impose a choice on others as long as it doesn't negatively affect them.)

Can you honestly say you want to masturbate to porn in public with people watching and judging you? Why not? I mean, that would be very hippocritical, right? Since Lin likes being tied up in a dungeon and spanked, that must also mean she likes being tied up and chained in public by people without her consent too, right?

No, obviously not. This is the message I'm trying to send. What you do in the sheets is not what you do in the streets. Even in exhibitionism, the point is to be seen there, you can't do that in the sheets, aside from camgirling I guess. It's not a spur of the moment thing. I think you understand that masturbating in private and jerking off in a park is completely different.

This isn't a power fantasy, wish fulfillment game. MC is not a giant throbbing cock that forces women to bow down to him every chance he gets. He supports them, he loves them, etc.

Likewise, if you ever meet a woman that likes sex, making her do so in front of her friends is a quick way to break up. This should be common sense.

They absolutely do practice what they preach, but you've somehow misunderstood what they actually practice and preach.

"Slaves don't want to be slaves"
This is the part that I partially disagree with.
Slaves that don't want to be slaves need to set themselves free, so that all the power rests in their own hands.

This is another example of a complete misunderstanding of Harem Hotel as a whole. This topic has been covered extensively in game. No, a slave can't "just" set themselves free. It's impossible in Syl'anar, and was nearly impossible in real life.

 

[Hentai1987]

according to the Harem Hotel wiki:
" [Emma ]has watched some lesbian porn, and is not opposed to trying it out. She is particularly into cunnilingus. "

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can somebody tell me where this was mentioned? I remember the "shower accident" [i hope we will get an animated flashback scene, Runey ;D ] but not this

 

[Rutonat]

I don't even get why you people debate over who is chooshing slavery and who is a big bad.

I thought it was pretty fucking obvious that all the "slavery" inside the hotel was pretty much just smoke and mirrors to avoid authorities taking away the girls that have a far, far, faaar better life here than on the slave markets...
Like "Yess officer, she is definitely a slave, I am very very mean to her ha ha ha" in their face and all romantic and caring behind closed doors, to protect them from ending up with some asshole who's gonna beat them up all day long.

Also yes the MC might be buying them. You can consider it as him supporting the salvery system... or you can take a few steps back and pick up that he's gaming the system and taking those girls away from the system to give t hem a situation about a hundred time better for them. They are treated as employees, not slaves, in the hotel. Sure they don't get a salary and can't go wherever they want, but that's not on him, that's on the system. Going head-on screaming "fuck slavery" and openly showing he's breaking the rules/laws of that country is the best way to see what he's trying to do destroyed and the girls go back to a hellish life.
He's literally trying to figure out ways to make a change without risking everyone's lives. Because every single uprising got absolutely crushed so far, and a human leading a slave army for their liberation, right on the streets, isn't gonna go any better...

Why the hell do some people seem to think there's any pro-slavery stuff in there is beyond me...