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Since the person doing the compressed version is not the game dev, the staff have issues with it, and see them as not being a priority.
Harem Hotel is already heavily compressed by default, since the game is actually over 100 GB's in size, and compressed down to a bit over 10 GB's by the game dev.
All VNs are technically compressed by default but very few of them are compressed to a level that is anywhere close to what people ask for.
 
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wats going on with the new update are we still getting it or not ?
hope a big one is coming soon, 17 was like... 8 or 9 months ago now? And objectively speaking, it really didn't add a TON of net new content, the majority of it was remakes.
 

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wats going on with the new update are we still getting it or not ?
No, sadly all fairies has losend their wings, so there is no update anymore. The update was sold for the millions of little jet packs and fuel to address the wingless fairy problem.
For all other things:
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All VNs are technically compressed by default but very few of them are compressed to a level that is anywhere close to what people ask for.
All? Also, the size of Harem Hotel is around 100 GB (uncompressed), (dev default) compression is 10 GB, one available here is 4 GB, one someone talked about is 3 GB (although, I won't give it that much credit, until I see that version myself - otherwise I always say I can "compress" Harem Hotel to under 1 GB, simple by lossy compression that loss all image and music files:whistle:).

The question with compression is always how is the game made: Using an game engine that can render "online", using rendered image without layers or with layers and on top of that, of course, image size and quality and your screen at the other end.
 

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All VNs are technically compressed by default but very few of them are compressed to a level that is anywhere close to what people ask for.
That is very true.
Someone always seems to come along and want it compressed even more than it already is.
 
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No, sadly all fairies has losend their wings, so there is no update anymore. The update was sold for the millions of little jet packs and fuel to address the wingless fairy problem.
For all other things:
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All? Also, the size of Harem Hotel is around 100 GB (uncompressed), (dev default) compression is 10 GB, one available here is 4 GB, one someone talked about is 3 GB (although, I won't give it that much credit, until I see that version myself - otherwise I always say I can "compress" Harem Hotel to under 1 GB, simple by lossy compression that loss all image and music files:whistle:).

The question with compression is always how is the game made: Using an game engine that can render "online", using rendered image without layers or with layers and on top of that, of course, image size and quality and your screen at the other end.
Back when I used to be active in warez sites there were people uploading ISO image files of the Windows 7 install disk that were less than 100MB in size.
They used KGB archiver to compress it that much, and if you downloaded it and looked at the file structure, everything looked fine, at first.
At first....
But then when you started looking at what was in the files, you saw that they contained zero data, because the data was compressed right out of them.
Just blank files, that did nothing, because the ISO was over compressed to a point where they had lost everything useful, except folders, and blank files...
But, here is the thing that caused the people creating them to not realize that the compressed files were useless.
The data that was used to create it was all on their PC already in a temp file, so when they used that image to create a disc, it worked fine for them.
But, for everyone else, the ISO's were useless.

Excessive compression can cause loss of detail, and when you go to far, it can break things...
 
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wats going on with the new update are we still getting it or not ?
It's in testing - whether that means we'll get it or not.. who knows. Based on history, I'm inclined to think we will.

hope a big one is coming soon, 17 was like... 8 or 9 months ago now? And objectively speaking, it really didn't add a TON of net new content, the majority of it was remakes.
It was a while since the last update -- since then, Runey has been sick - father died - moved trans-continentally. That tends to slow things down. It's being worked on, but we don't have an immediate ETA.
 
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Excessive compression can cause loss of detail, and when you go to far, it can break things...
Now go one further and explain how later official ISOs had full installs of all of the major flavors of a Windows OS on it, and when you tried to manually copy out the DVD you got about 30+ gigs off it, fully usable. Yes, I know what they did (basics anyway). And to those that don't, no. The same trick can't be applied here.
 
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Now go one further and explain how later official ISOs had full installs of all of the major flavors of a Windows OS on it, and when you tried to manually copy out the DVD you got about 30+ gigs off it, fully usable. Yes, I know what they did (basics anyway). And to those that don't, no. The same trick can't be applied here.
Different versions of windows had many shared files, which drastically reduced the amount of space needed on the disc.

It has been years since I last dealt with one of those discs.
 
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goddammit you son of a bitch, you tricked me. Lured me in with tits and ass into reading your microfiction with its compelling characters and inventive setting...
Runey is evil like that.
He acts innocent, but in reality, he is evil.
But, in the best possible way.
Just wait until the head pat addiction kicks in.
 
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Different versions of windows had many shared files, which drastically reduced the amount of space needed on the disc.
It has been years since I last dealt with one of those discs.
Yeap. The joy of symbolic linking. I really should look into that more as I think Windows allows for it rather than those dorky shortcuts. But I've avoided 11 now for some time. Going to have to look at that soon though. Haven't thought about that in some time.
 

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hope a big one is coming soon, 17 was like... 8 or 9 months ago now? And objectively speaking, it really didn't add a TON of net new content, the majority of it was remakes.
I answered someone else about a month ago expecting it to be a month. Runey responded super defensive and said two weeks. No updates since, even to beta builds, so it could be a minute.
 

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Yeap. The joy of symbolic linking. I really should look into that more as I think Windows allows for it rather than those dorky shortcuts. But I've avoided 11 now for some time. Going to have to look at that soon though. Haven't thought about that in some time.
LZX in 10 was one of best inventions of mankind (right behind the wheel). But Renpy games mostly give 100 MB of profit, even those with loose files instead of archive. I guess either devs learned to make compressed assets, either renpy does it.
But on poorly optimised pngs or uncompressed unity games, you can see size reduced up to 50%. One unity game became 6.4 gigs from 23.5 :oops:

Speaking of HH, last update has like 2500 images. Each is webp hence 0.5 meg, pretty good for full HD. And full HD is a reasonable minimum in 2020s (imo of course).
The only option would be either go for grainy-grainy or split the game.
Though since each update seems to be organized to separate image archive, maybe we could get "update only" option.
 
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