TheDevian

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Oh trust me, you've done that for both Cornwall AND Ashley's parents, the Maria thing made me furious that they not only did what they did, but didn't even explain why to the MC. I'm no Nia, but I would love to get at the idiot who decided oppressing living beings was a good idea.
What bothered me about it, was that they acted as if they were doing this intentionally, when anyone with half a brain would know that if they had known such a thing, they obviously would NOT have gone there to get tested. Only a moron or a masochist would do that without a plan to take down the system from the inside somehow. If she had known, she would have down the same thing Hana did.
How could such a brain-dead idiot become a nurse or doctor? :unsure::p
Yes, yes, and yes. The Elves must be saved from the horrible excuses for humans who own them, no matter the cost. Minus mindless death and destruction, of course. Nia has the right idea, but she's going about it in the wrong way and could actually end up making things worse.
Yes, she really needs a better network, and we are working on that, she also needs better equipment, and a better place to send the elves. Problem being that there are not too many good options, other than doing what we did for Peni. What other choices do we have?
Send them to the island of the high elves where the queen can abuse them....
Smuggle them to Kali's dad's country, where odds are, they would get experimented on...
Hiding them ourselves without buying them, painting a bigger target on our backs...
The best one is to send them to the desert elves, but that is far from ideal, and would put undue attention on them, and give the humans even more reason to attack them with the real military...

We need a better way to hide them, or another source of income that is big enough to just start buying them all. XD
We need our own strip club, like the one where we got Peni, we need other apartment buildings and hotels like Kali suggested (if he doesn't want to pay the elves to work there, he can buy more droids, and our Android can be their boss, giving her a purpose other than us, she can help care for everyone who stays with our businesses, not to mention, she will always have our descendants to look after, even once we are gone), we need to just keep expanding until we own so much of the country that they can't do anything about us!!!! :ROFLMAO:
 

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We need a better way to hide them, or another source of income that is big enough to just start buying them all. XD
We need our own strip club, like the one where we got Peni, we need other apartment buildings and hotels like Kali suggested (if he doesn't want to pay the elves to work there, he can buy more droids, and our Android can be their boss, giving her a purpose other than us, she can help care for everyone who stays with our businesses, not to mention, she will always have our descendants to look after, even once we are gone), we need to just keep expanding until we own so much of the country that they can't do anything about us!!!!
I don't have anything if we expand the sanctuary substantially. And for money, we have the sports bar.:p
 
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Konstantinus

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What bothered me about it, was that they acted as if they were doing this intentionally, when anyone with half a brain would know that if they had known such a thing, they obviously would NOT have gone there to get tested. Only a moron or a masochist would do that without a plan to take down the system from the inside somehow. If she had known, she would have down the same thing Hana did.
How could such a brain-dead idiot become a nurse or doctor? :unsure::p

Yes, she really needs a better network, and we are working on that, she also needs better equipment, and a better place to send the elves. Problem being that there are not too many good options, other than doing what we did for Peni. What other choices do we have?
Send them to the island of the high elves where the queen can abuse them....
Smuggle them to Kali's dad's country, where odds are, they would get experimented on...
Hiding them ourselves without buying them, painting a bigger target on our backs...
The best one is to send them to the desert elves, but that is far from ideal, and would put undue attention on them, and give the humans even more reason to attack them with the real military...

We need a better way to hide them, or another source of income that is big enough to just start buying them all. XD
We need our own strip club, like the one where we got Peni, we need other apartment buildings and hotels like Kali suggested (if he doesn't want to pay the elves to work there, he can buy more droids, and our Android can be their boss, giving her a purpose other than us, she can help care for everyone who stays with our businesses, not to mention, she will always have our descendants to look after, even once we are gone), we need to just keep expanding until we own so much of the country that they can't do anything about us!!!! :ROFLMAO:
I totally agree. I am right now feeling as filthy rich as the protagonist of because I first grinded via Fotosessions the money for bar and the rest without really starting it and now I got even additional money from Kalis dad.
I am so rich I am now regulare customer at the Pizzaria from Kali just to give her money because I do not know what else to do with it.
 
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TheDevian

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I don't have anything if we expand the sanctuary substantially. And for money, we have the sports bar.:p
Most of it can work like the bar, where you just interact with Ellen and it is a passive income, that grows as you invest. You don't even have to see it. Hell, the money that we personally get could even be minor, if we say the that money is going to help the elves in various ways, paying the ones we hire, and so on. Anything to make life better.

I don't, can't even buy the T.V.s... lol I am still bugged on that one. XD
I totally agree. I am right now feeling as filthy rich as the protagonist of because I first grinded via Fotosessions the money for bar and the rest without really starting it and now I got even additional money from Kalis dad.
I am so rich I am now regulare customer at the Pizzaria from Kali just to give her money because I do not know what else to do with it.
I didn't even need her dad's money, but I sure didn't turn it down, he needs it less than I do! XD
Need to be able to do that with Lucy too.

That is part of why I don't care that much about the sports bar upgrade. ;)

It is nice to know that no matter what the girls need, I can take care of it though, but I want to be able to keep investing, and keep growing the business (much like Kali suggested), so we can help as many people as possible.
 
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Hana|GOAT

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What about a drug that increased the learning ability of elves? Don't they have trouble learning new things because of their long life and slow learning ability?

Imagine nearly a billion long lived and intelligent elves. They could probably overthrow the humans. But we don't want to replace one tyrant race with another.
 

TheDevian

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What about a drug that increased the learning ability of elves? Don't they have trouble learning new things because of their long life and slow learning ability?

Imagine nearly a billion long lived and intelligent elves. They could probably overthrow the humans. But we don't want to replace one tyrant race with another.
They are very intelligent, they just learn more slowly, but retain the memories much longer.
 
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Welp , for those you can't afford to get the codes from patreon we'll have to wait for the cheats mod to be released , fingers crossed and let's be patient xd
 

coyotegrey

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That phone call the viewpoint character does after Maria is seized is childish, stupid, and SELFISH.

Someone you supposedly care about is in trouble, and you have one contact in the system (a major one at that), who openly said he was impressed with you after the elf sexpetition. Do you use this contact to see if you can get Maria under your care immediately, or failing that (and more likely) get first shot at purchasing her before she is openly listed when she is put up for sale? Nooo, you tell this person with POWER, MONEY, and POSITION that you are now their enemy, and you do this while burning another major contact who probably would have been willing to run a little political interference for you as long as it didn't sink his projects because you make his daughter happy.

Really WTF. In a realistic setting that is a bad end, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars. Cornhole could simply send people to seize your girls in retaliation for the slight (see the results after the last person who said Cornhole couldn't take his slaves). And when the goon squad pulls Maria out of her room and finds Hanna whelp that's all she wrote for you. Yep you could burn your last major asset if they use bots, but you better hope they sent an army of them after you because you won't be getting anymore.
'Oh, someone with the target seized control of our bots, whelp we won't send in more of those.' 'Should we switch to police, military, or merc assets to take them down?'

TL DR the phone call is a problem
 

TheDevian

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That phone call the viewpoint character does after Maria is seized is childish, stupid, and SELFISH.

Someone you supposedly care about is in trouble, and you have one contact in the system (a major one at that), who openly said he was impressed with you after the elf sexpetition. Do you use this contact to see if you can get Maria under your care immediately, or failing that (and more likely) get first shot at purchasing her before she is openly listed when she is put up for sale? Nooo, you tell this person with POWER, MONEY, and POSITION that you are now their enemy, and you do this while burning another major contact who probably would have been willing to run a little political interference for you as long as it didn't sink his projects because you make his daughter happy.

Really WTF. In a realistic setting that is a bad end, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars. Cornhole could simply send people to seize your girls in retaliation for the slight (see the results after the last person who said Cornhole couldn't take his slaves). And when the goon squad pulls Maria out of her room and finds Hanna whelp that's all she wrote for you. Yep you could burn your last major asset if they use bots, but you better hope they sent an army of them after you because you won't be getting anymore.
'Oh, someone with the target seized control of our bots, whelp we won't send in more of those.' 'Should we switch to police, military, or merc assets to take them down?'

TL DR the phone call is a problem
Can't really argue, he burned a couple bridges there.

Luckily for him, this is politics, and that was not overly public. In politics, behind the scenes shit like that happens all the time, it is only when it gets leaked to the public that is becomes a real problem. He can still smooth this over and potentially work out a deal, but it is going to take a lot more work now, unless he ends up blackmailing them, which is also an option at this point.

Between Kali and Sui(Nia), we could gain access to some pretty highly confidential information, and now we have ways to 'leak' that information to the press, in case something happens to us.

Originally, I had assumed that we would go the diplomatic route, and while that is still an option, it appears that we might have to be going another direction now.
 

coyotegrey

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Can't really argue, he burned a couple bridges there.

Luckily for him, this is politics, and that was not overly public. In politics, behind the scenes shit like that happens all the time, it is only when it gets leaked to the public that is becomes a real problem. He can still smooth this over and potentially work out a deal, but it is going to take a lot more work now, unless he ends up blackmailing them, which is also an option at this point.

Between Kali and Sui(Nia), we could gain access to some pretty highly confidential information, and now we have ways to 'leak' that information to the press, in case something happens to us.

Originally, I had assumed that we would go the diplomatic route, and while that is still an option, it appears that we might have to be going another direction now.

Yeah, you potentially have blackmail. Unfortunately using said blackmail is a M.A.D. moment. The reason power players can get by after burning a political asset is because they have other political assets to fall back to (or lots and lots of money/power aka are political power players in their own right). If you release the blackmail (which lets not forget you would, at this point, need to be using to cover your own ass before you could use it to advance any agenda) how quickly do you think other's in the hierarchy or his successor would move against you and your girls.
 

alex2011

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What bothered me about it, was that they acted as if they were doing this intentionally, when anyone with half a brain would know that if they had known such a thing, they obviously would NOT have gone there to get tested. Only a moron or a masochist would do that without a plan to take down the system from the inside somehow. If she had known, she would have down the same thing Hana did.
How could such a brain-dead idiot become a nurse or doctor? :unsure::p

Yes, she really needs a better network, and we are working on that, she also needs better equipment, and a better place to send the elves. Problem being that there are not too many good options, other than doing what we did for Peni. What other choices do we have?
Send them to the island of the high elves where the queen can abuse them....
Smuggle them to Kali's dad's country, where odds are, they would get experimented on...
Hiding them ourselves without buying them, painting a bigger target on our backs...
The best one is to send them to the desert elves, but that is far from ideal, and would put undue attention on them, and give the humans even more reason to attack them with the real military...

We need a better way to hide them, or another source of income that is big enough to just start buying them all. XD
We need our own strip club, like the one where we got Peni, we need other apartment buildings and hotels like Kali suggested (if he doesn't want to pay the elves to work there, he can buy more droids, and our Android can be their boss, giving her a purpose other than us, she can help care for everyone who stays with our businesses, not to mention, she will always have our descendants to look after, even once we are gone), we need to just keep expanding until we own so much of the country that they can't do anything about us!!!! :ROFLMAO:
What bothered me about it, was that they acted as if they were doing this intentionally, when anyone with half a brain would know that if they had known such a thing, they obviously would NOT have gone there to get tested. Only a moron or a masochist would do that without a plan to take down the system from the inside somehow. If she had known, she would have down the same thing Hana did.
How could such a brain-dead idiot become a nurse or doctor? :unsure:
Indeed, we would have already known and we would have told her not to go if this wasn't an unknown factor. None of us knew until we were being swarmed. What really pisses me off, though, is that they didn't even explain, they just pounced like a panther on its prey and then they had the gall to mistreat an innocent bystander in the process who, as far as he could tell BECAUSE of the lack of explanation, had no reason to believe they were acting within their authority.

Yes, she really needs a better network, and we are working on that, she also needs better equipment, and a better place to send the elves. Problem being that there are not too many good options, other than doing what we did for Peni. What other choices do we have?
Send them to the island of the high elves where the queen can abuse them....
Smuggle them to Kali's dad's country, where odds are, they would get experimented on...
Hiding them ourselves without buying them, painting a bigger target on our backs...
The best one is to send them to the desert elves, but that is far from ideal, and would put undue attention on them, and give the humans even more reason to attack them with the real military...

We need a better way to hide them, or another source of income that is big enough to just start buying them all. XD
We need our own strip club, like the one where we got Peni, we need other apartment buildings and hotels like Kali suggested (if he doesn't want to pay the elves to work there, he can buy more droids, and our Android can be their boss, giving her a purpose other than us, she can help care for everyone who stays with our businesses, not to mention, she will always have our descendants to look after, even once we are gone), we need to just keep expanding until we own so much of the country that they can't do anything about us!!!!
What she needs is to restrain herself from doing anything too drastic and she needs to aim for the people perpetuating this humanitarian crisis. Maybe if she finds enough allies, she could go directly after Cornwall, especially allies with connections like Kali's father could potentially be. Find a way to get Cornwall voted out for someone who is opposed to the mistreatment of the Elves, support this person, and advocate the changes that need to be made. It isn't like Cornwall got rid of any way to unseat him, right? Maybe this candidate could work to completely reverse the law from slavery to a homestay program where the elves are free, but still live with the humans. Not free, of course, possibly subsidized by the government and possibly partially paid by each elf like a rent payment.

If the above has flaws, you'll have to excuse them as I haven't been able to play on my own save because it uses the mod, which would give me any known details about how the government is laid out in Syl'anar.

The abusers would be subject to punishment and a disqualification from the program as a result of their past, but any human who did not abuse elves could volunteer as a host family. This could be especially good for characters like Vanessa, who could redeem herself in the player's eyes by taking in some of the elves. Under absolutely no circumstances should the High Elf queen get control of these elves because of her abusive tendencies.
 

Runey

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Might also be partly due to the fact that I was already wanting to do almost anything to help the elves, even if it means running for office, taking over the government, and/or buying every elf myself.
Yes, that is an option now, as is Lin and Android, when they are both avbl.
Yes, yes, and yes. The Elves must be saved from the horrible excuses for humans who own them, no matter the cost. Minus mindless death and destruction, of course. Nia has the right idea, but she's going about it in the wrong way and could actually end up making things worse.
(un)Fortunately Syl'anar is a democracy, and the populace is ~83% in favor of slavery. The Elvish Rights Act was debated upon only 30 years ago. That's why I say it's unfortunate, because even if you ran for an office the people would never like you enough. They like Cornwall, even if he was a bit radical to give elves rights.

Instead, the populace needs to be convinced and they need to stop believing in propaganda they see about elves.

There has to be some reason that not all people of Elven heritage are treated like that, it makes no sense to discriminate only partially against Elven heritage because, sooner or later, the people who aren't oppressed, the less than half Elves, are going to stand up for their half or more brethren and it isn't going to be pretty. I'm no oppressive wannabe dictator, but it isn't smart to leave someone with the oppressed traits free to start opposition movements against the people in charge no matter how weak the traits are in them. It might just be me thinking that Cornwall is hiding something, I just get this sneaking suspicion that not all is as it seems with him.
When has bigotry ever been logical?
The people in power enforce a stereotype and release propaganda encouraging elvish slavery, which includes false stereotypes like "elves are mentally inferior" or that their blood is somehow tainted. Evolutionarily, elves and humans are so close to each other there is almost never an issue with crossbreeding. This isn't mentioned because it keeps cornwall in power and Mr. Trenero rich as fuck. If there were no slaves, there could be no minister of slavery.
 

Skode

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The best thing I can hope to happen when players see this event is for them to be angry at the system and fired up for justice.
did you consider doing similar to Android and locking out the spoiler related character till the next update? Simply as to see her going from that to moving on to being her old self and having access to all her old sex content etc is somewhat is slightly jarring given it would indeed be understandable that she take some time out to process what happened and what it means in the future for her.

The scene most certainly made an impact though - its turned things up to 11 regarding the MC pushing for action quite unlike what weve seen before (its usually the other characters who drive the story, this one though felt personal and made the MC more like a character unlike any event which comes to mind before as he seems more a follower than a leader IMO).
 
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alex2011

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(un)Fortunately Syl'anar is a democracy, and the populace is ~83% in favor of slavery. The Elvish Rights Act was debated upon only 30 years ago. That's why I say it's unfortunate, because even if you ran for an office the people would never like you enough. They like Cornwall, even if he was a bit radical to give elves rights.

Instead, the populace needs to be convinced and they need to stop believing in propaganda they see about elves.



When has bigotry ever been logical?
The people in power enforce a stereotype and release propaganda encouraging elvish slavery, which includes false stereotypes like "elves are mentally inferior" or that their blood is somehow tainted. Evolutionarily, elves and humans are so close to each other there is almost never an issue with crossbreeding. This isn't mentioned because it keeps cornwall in power and Mr. Trenero rich as fuck. If there were no slaves, there could be no minister of slavery.
is a democracy
I figured it was something like that.

~83% in favor of slavery
Ouch, that would be a problem. Maybe a pro elf resistance movement could start an information campaign seeking to change the opinions of the 83%. In the past IRL, that was one of many ways resistance movements used to make changes. Some of the more well known ones did use violence, the French resistance to German occupation in particular was known for this, but they did also use peaceful methods to attempt change.

With the backing of someone with major funds, maybe a certain abolitionist in secret or a certain hotel resident's family, they could spread counter-propaganda that seeks to humanize elves to the 83%. This as well as the attempt to oust Cornwall in an election could prove useful. Even if the candidate doesn't win, any air time could serve to help affect change in the overall opinion.

elves are mentally inferior
Sylvia would destroy this false notion in seconds if she were ever allowed to show off in public.
 
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