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shadowtempered

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Who is that? I'm going to try and guess Ashley, I have seen people who don't like her for some different reasons, including, but not limited to, the fact she rapes MC in his sleep.
For me it was mostly the follow up knife event with Maria that killed basically any interest in Ashley for me. Went scorched Earth way to damn soon and when we have other ladies with similar figures, maybe not exact, I'd rather spend time with them.
 

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For me it was mostly the follow up knife event with Maria that killed basically any interest in Ashley for me. Went scorched Earth way to damn soon and when we have other ladies with similar figures, maybe not exact, I'd rather spend time with them.
Yeah, that and the cut of the dick threat. That is NOT my kind of crazy. XD
 

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Yeah, that was a big part of it. She is pretty much almost every one of my pet peeves rolled into one package. :LUL:
For me it was mostly the follow up knife event with Maria that killed basically any interest in Ashley for me. Went scorched Earth way to damn soon and when we have other ladies with similar figures, maybe not exact, I'd rather spend time with them.
Fair. About the sleep rape thing, it didn't bother me at all, as long as the girl is attractive to me, I don't really mind the situation. But I understand that it is a matter of taste and point of view, so I respect who completely shuts down for her after that.

And the knife situation was pretty wild as well, but the point of Ashley in the beginning was to fill the yandere personality type, so from the start I was expecting some wild shit from her. It surprises me that she didn't do things much more fucked up, but I think if she had gone too far, people would be even more put off by her. Also, after getting to know her story better, it is not excusable, but it becomes more understandable. She never felt loved by anyone in her life, she grew up in a dangerous place, with a father that if she allowed, would probably beat the shit out of her, so it makes sense she would go too far to protect the only person who has ever shown her any kindness.

I think it would be great if players could choose how to react in some situations, specially situations like these. I love this game, but my biggest problem with it is the lack of player agency and the blandness of the MC. Most of the choices the game offers you are just dialogue fluff. There should be options to call out Ashley for her behaviour. I know the main focus of the game is on the girls, but the MC is the players' avatar in this world, and him just being a no personality goes with the flow guy is kinda bland for me, and it is irritating in some situations as well. I wouldn't even ask for much player agency, since I am interested in all the girls anyways, but at least some semblance of personality from MC would be interesting. He could be smart, he could be stupid, he could be strong, he could be angry, calculating, reckless. Anything really. But he feels mostly like a blank sheet of paper. Sometimes he shows some personality or initiative, like when he brings the gun to Lowtown, or when he gets pissed at Cornwal because of what happens to Maria, but it is mostly just a bunch of nothing.

It is specially bad when there is a big problem that needs to be taken care of, but the MC just goes with the flow until the girls just solve everything by themselves. And in some cases that is ok, most of Android's problems he can't do anything about, other than offer her his support, but in some cases it pisses me off, and the biggest case is Felicity and Emma. When they start to catfight for his attention. Sure, giving people time and space to work through their problems and trusting their capacity to do it is a great thing. But this is the type of shit that can break the dynamic of a harem, and saying "I'm going to talk to her", then kissing, or fucking one of the girls behind the other one's back, fueling their jealousy for each other is not really the best way to go about it.
 

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Fair. About the sleep rape thing, it didn't bother me at all, as long as the girl is attractive to me, I don't really mind the situation. But I understand that it is a matter of taste and point of view, so I respect who completely shuts down for her after that.
That is part of the problem for me. She's not. Everything about her is a turn off.
But that is the point, it's only rape, if you don't want it.
And the knife situation was pretty wild as well, but the point of Ashley in the beginning was to fill the yandere personality type, so from the start I was expecting some wild shit from her. It surprises me that she didn't do things much more fucked up, but I think if she had gone too far, people would be even more put off by her. Also, after getting to know her story better, it is not excusable, but it becomes more understandable. She never felt loved by anyone in her life, she grew up in a dangerous place, with a father that if she allowed, would probably beat the shit out of her, so it makes sense she would go too far to protect the only person who has ever shown her any kindness.
Yandere, one of the only tropes I dislike more than a Type A Tsundere (the violent kind).
While she had few decent role models, the way she shunned her 'real friends', in order to try to impress F&E, also really upset me. Not entirely her fault, but she also doesn't have anyone else to blame, it was her own actions that caused her own pain there. I don't hate her any more, but I will never find her attractive like this (though going back to her natural hair color helps some).
I think it would be great if players could choose how to react in some situations, specially situations like these. I love this game, but my biggest problem with it is the lack of player agency and the blandness of the MC. Most of the choices the game offers you are just dialogue fluff. There should be options to call out Ashley for her behaviour. I know the main focus of the game is on the girls, but the MC is the players' avatar in this world, and him just being a no personality goes with the flow guy is kinda bland for me, and it is irritating in some situations as well. I wouldn't even ask for much player agency, since I am interested in all the girls anyways, but at least some semblance of personality from MC would be interesting. He could be smart, he could be stupid, he could be strong, he could be angry, calculating, reckless. Anything really. But he feels mostly like a blank sheet of paper. Sometimes he shows some personality or initiative, like when he brings the gun to Lowtown, or when he gets pissed at Cornwal because of what happens to Maria, but it is mostly just a bunch of nothing.
Yeah, he is adding more of that now, it's nice.
It is specially bad when there is a big problem that needs to be taken care of, but the MC just goes with the flow until the girls just solve everything by themselves. And in some cases that is ok, most of Android's problems he can't do anything about, other than offer her his support, but in some cases it pisses me off, and the biggest case is Felicity and Emma. When they start to catfight for his attention. Sure, giving people time and space to work through their problems and trusting their capacity to do it is a great thing. But this is the type of shit that can break the dynamic of a harem, and saying "I'm going to talk to her", then kissing, or fucking one of the girls behind the other one's back, fueling their jealousy for each other is not really the best way to go about it.
True enough. XD
I was just bitching about that in another game, but a lot of things could use more brainstorming sometimes. lol
 
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For me it was mostly the follow up knife event with Maria that killed basically any interest in Ashley for me. Went scorched Earth way to damn soon and when we have other ladies with similar figures, maybe not exact, I'd rather spend time with them.
Yeah, that and the cut of the dick threat. That is NOT my kind of crazy. XD
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Haven't seen it, so I can't really say if I'd care for her or not. I'm not against crazy in the right story telling context. I'm sure it doesn't help that when I started playing, there were basically only 4 characters and Kali/Maria came out gate swinging hard, personality wise, and Lin is about as balanced proportionally as you could get and has pointy ears and I love me some elves.
 
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Haven't seen it, so I can't really say if I'd care for her or not. I'm not against crazy in the right story telling context. I'm sure it doesn't help that when I started playing, there were basically only 4 characters and Kali/Maria came out gate swinging hard, personality wise, and Lin is about as balanced proportionally as you could get and has pointy ears and I love me some elves.
And even Maria wasn't there right away. She came in as you played Ashley's story.
Honestly, that was her one redeeming quality to me back then, she introduced us to Maria. :sneaky:
 

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Also, after getting to know [Ashley's] story better, it is not excusable, but it becomes more understandable.
I don't dislike her as violently as TheDevian does, but I also just don't like Ashley. As you say, as you see more of her story, it's easier to understand why she is the way she is, I can feel sorry for her, I can want to help her, but she's easily my least-favorite LI at this point.

Looks don't help. I like petite, but she's past that and well into "childlike." Sure, as Kate surmises, she was malnourished--I don't say it's her fault, just that it doesn't do anything for me. The rape thing doesn't help. The knife thing doesn't help. But the worst of it is her possessiveness, and therefore competitiveness--and it got worse with 0.18's redo of the first-date event. And yeah, I can understand (at least to a degree) why she is that way, but that still doesn't make it attractive.
 
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I don't dislike her as violently as TheDevian does, but I also just don't like Ashley. As you say, as you see more of her story, it's easier to understand why she is the way she is, I can feel sorry for her, I can want to help her, but she's easily my least-favorite LI at this point.

Looks don't help. I like petite, but she's past that and well into "childlike." Sure, as Kate surmises, she was malnourished--I don't say it's her fault, just that it doesn't do anything for me. The rape thing doesn't help. The knife thing doesn't help. But the worst of it is her possessiveness, and therefore competitiveness--and it got worse with 0.18's redo of the first-date event. And yeah, I can understand (at least to a degree) why she is that way, but that still doesn't make it attractive.
Yeah, I don't hate her any more, but I also don't find her attractive in any way.
I want to help her, I want her to get better, and of course I want to save Ren, I want her to realize that she already has the big, extended family she always wanted (she can be aunty to many), I hope Pixel can save her mom, and so on, but I don't want to see her naked. lol

There are characters like that in a few games I play, I just can't enjoy some of their scenes. :sick: lol
 
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Yeah, I don't hate her any more, but I also don't find her attractive in any way.
I want to help her, I want her to get better, and of course I want to save Ren,
I want to place her ontop of the hotel with a high powered rifle and some long range artillery with the fairies working as spotters for taking out enemy units before the arrive. Pixel can handle short/medium range combat. Put her anger management, possessive qualities and need to harm things to work. Could even make it a new cliche repeatable sex event - how good is her aim when she's being teased/distracted. I might actually spend time with her and level it up.
 

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Compressed version ?
The game is compressed, about 10% it's original size. I think there might be a fan made one that crunched it more, but they don't put them on the main page any more. You will need to use search.
It helps to go into your profile settings, and change the search results to organize by date, not relevance.
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Anyone else getting an error code about garden when try to play the twins/clones Route?
Need help by passing this. (Using Lain mod on latest version)
 

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Anyone else getting an error code about garden when try to play the twins/clones Route?
Need help by passing this. (Using Lain mod on latest version)
I've recently downloaded v0.18.2 and gotten several errors about the garden without downloading any beta version. Had to manually fix all of that in my save data. What's the error?
 

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Anyone else getting an error code about garden when try to play the twins/clones Route?
Need help by passing this. (Using Lain mod on latest version)
Try not using the mod.
I've recently downloaded v0.18.2 and gotten several errors about the garden without downloading any beta version. Had to manually fix all of that in my save data. What's the error?
There is one error still there last time I tried it, try ignoring it.
I get an error when I try to save the game, I have the walkthrough mod installed:
Try getting rid of the mod.
 
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how do i trigger the Event for the android for level 15 it said night time in my room but it not trigging for me
Not sure what you are looking at, but the wiki says...
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Night in the room, was the level 14 event, according to that.
You do need to buy the expansion module first.
 

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It really never ceases to amaze me how many people continually use mods and then ask why their saves are broken. It only gets mentioned about 23 times after every. Single. Update. On every. Single. Game.
 
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