Has anyone tried this? Creating fake patreon identity

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

How much money exactly in the US that the government starts investigating you?

Any transaction that comes inside or goes outside the country, regardless of amount. Transactions that remain in the US, $600 in some locations, regardless of who and whatever means. In all locations, amounts above $10K in one month have always been tracked since 9/11 and given to IRS as well. In most locations banks secretly work together with the IRS to track people who engage in a pattern of transferring just under thresholds, such as $9K. Money going to certain countries is also tracked, sometimes at different thresholds, sometimes regardless of amount, such as the Middle East. And all of that happens, regardless or whether you're talking taxes or not. That's just what the US government does since 9/11. Your only legal option is to emigrate or find a loophole...I dunno the laws in Indonesia.

...Hypothetically, a front-man might work, but you'd need a cash-over-borders approach to that...and trust. I'd recommend following the advice above by Kinderalpha, first, before deciding on a path of game development. Then emigrate to a saner country.

 

[Count Morado]

According to Patreon, except if you're residing in Vermont or Massachusetts -- where you have to report if you earned 600 bucks or more per year --, you only have to report and fill a 1099-K form if you earned more than $20,000 a year.

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I doubt you are a lawyer. Your statements sound like you are as much a lawyer as Andy Griffith. If you are, the Bar needs to be raised. You are interpreting and quoting a 3+ year old corporate blog post. The other person linked a news article discussing the latest (2021) US Federal law that goes into effect for 2022 regarding the reporting of funds to the IRS through services such as PayPal, etc.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

I doubt you are a lawyer. Your statements sound like you are as much a lawyer as Andy Griffith. If you are, the Bar needs to be raised. You are interpreting and quoting a 3+ year old corporate blog post. The other person linked a news article discussing the latest (2021) US Federal law that goes into effect for 2022 regarding the reporting of funds to the IRS through services such as PayPal, etc.

I'd never take advice from a corporation...considering what they do. Love this quote about all this.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

And I doubt your buttplug is fitting your butthole. I think you need to buy a larger one.
I don't need to prove anything to you, asshole, since you don't know the difference between reporting (directly or indirectly) and paying taxes. And both pieces of information are not contradictory. One thing is the form you have to fill; the other thing is what the cash apps must report. A Patreon creator and Cash Apps are not the same thing. Thus, since you don't have the skills of textual interpretation, I doubt you finished elementary school... That or the bar needs to be raised.

Seems to me you're the one unaware of the Patriot Act and all the bills that built upon it...you vastly underestimate what all money handlers are required to do, regardless of their ToS. They can claim nearly anything in a ToS. They can even lie, legally, if it allows them to comply with the Patriot Act.

kira123, perhaps consult a lawyer and ask about the legalities of the adult entertainment industry in your country, without implying you will be involved in any way, maybe even anonymously. Perhaps there are legal options local to you. If not, emigrate.

 

[Kinderalpha]

Completely disagree. Not only the actual time and effort + knowledge that goes into making a mainstream indie game vs a porn game (which will almost always be Ren'py + Daz) is vastly different, but also the actual market and demand for both of these is very different.

Good luck trying to get an indie project off the ground or trying to garner an audience. You will most certainly have to spend more time learning engines (unity/unreal) but also the nuances of these tools, as well as modeling softwares (Blender etc.). The competition is fierce, and the market is saturated.

Porn games are lucrative, especially the country he's from as I've mentioned before. The time and effort is NO WHERE NEAR as bad, and there will always be a market. You don't even have to finish the game, as long as you target a particular fetish, and have good sense of what you're doing, making hot and sexy renders, put them on the front page. Post about it here, on the nsfw subreddits, or other ones pertaining to your fetish, people will start throwing money at you while you develop. Its effort/reward ratio that matters.

It is very very hard to do that in the non-NSFW indie space. If you have tried something in that space, something even mediocre, bringing that same talent and effort over to the porn games space will make you blow up.

EDIT: Just would like to add, people are really exaggerating and blowing out of proportion of the "potential" legal ramifications. This isn't Europe or some other western country lol where rule of law is paramount. As long as you keep it on the down low, don't shout about it on the streets, and have some alibis (like a fiverr as I said before) 99% of the time you'll likely be fine. And people saying "ask a lawyer" Why? What the fuck do you think he's going to say?

Oh my bad sweetheart, forgot that a minority of adult games count for the entire industry. Let me just forget about all of the professional studios outside the US. Nutaku (an official adult game publisher), and every other successful title for the matter that pulls in millions of dollars.

Oh but what about indie games? Let me forget about Shady's lewd racing cart, third crisis, future Fragments, summertime saga, and fucking countless others.

Get outta here with that nonsense.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

Just would like to add, people are really exaggerating and blowing out of proportion of the "potential" legal ramifications. This isn't Europe or some other western country lol where rule of law is paramount. As long as you keep it on the down low, don't shout about it on the streets, and have some alibis (like a fiverr as I said before) 99% of the time you'll likely be fine. And people saying "ask a lawyer" Why? What the fuck do you think he's going to say?

...And this is how criminals get caught. Like an episode from that "Tru" TV crap, Bait something or other.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

I live in one of these countries, grew up here, spent my entire life here, I know how things are. The OP is technically breaking the law even by visiting this website. What the other poster was suggesting, moving countries, just for this, is definitely not worth it lol. Tax evasion is common, the authorities will only take notice if you're pulling in hundreds of thousands or millions (local currency). But in one of my previous replies I even stated you can still pay taxes, don't evade. Because the banks don't dig deep, nor do the tax collection authorities, unless you give them reason to.

Specifying, game development, or online software development, or even just freelancing as your source of income is enough, as most people in the country don't have an online income source, the system is not setup for that.

...You're an idiot, you missed everything. It also only takes one disgruntled ass to try to blackmail a developer, to simply report to Indonesian authorities, “this PayPal/Patreon account is used to launder income for an adult-entertainment content-developer”. There are a number on F95 who've been blackmailed or even accused of supporting specific kinds of content normally banned by Patreon. An accusation alone is enough to bring down accounts. You have no common sense. *ignores, nothing contributory*

 

[Elefy]

My opinion, but

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I used it before :-\

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

My opinion, but

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I used it before :-\

And just below it: identity verification. -_- What needed to be said in this thread has been.

 

[NG Creative]

Again here I'm.
Who else remembers me , if not just scroll up.

Yes this is the best way imo (the only way where I'm from), but you have to be a bit careful because payoneer has anti-pornography TOS.

kira123
Ok, so if you wanted to be more extra careful about this conditions. The only way I see is you publish the game only on f95 for free, no patreon nothing else at the start of the development. Just try to gather as much fanbase as you can. You need very good quality not only about the art but also high quality script. Otherwise this is not gonna work.

You must be thinking why would i sell my game for free. After putting lots of efforts and all. At the start if nobody have played or you don't have good previous record nobody will care. What they will see is some preview images and some overview that's it. By any chance someone pledges and plays your game and they don't like it they'll remove the support instantly.

After making the game available for free on here, just simply follow our previous strategy. Openly promote your game on here. But on patreon make a page regarding different thing (literally anything other than porno). Don't ever try to promote game other than this site or maybe other which you can consider safe. And here you say that, this is totally a free game but again if you guys want to support me financially you can here is my patreon or payment link.

And if you were not able to gather a good fanbase then it was never meant to become financially successful.

The good example of this is this game
Grandma's House [v0.04] [MoonBox]
This game was totally a free game until v0.03 version of it and no payment gateway, no payment accounts, nothing at all. The players literally insisted the developer to open a payment account so they can show their appreciation towards the game. The account was just created after the the v0.03 and before the latest release. Approximately around 1.5 month since it's opened and he is getting a good support of $438. Which is insane for a totally new dev. But he has putted a lot of efforts into his game with different concept, varieties, content and this payed him of.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

After making the game available for free on here, just simply follow our previous strategy. Openly promote your game on here. But on patreon make a page regarding different thing (literally anything other than porno). Don't ever try to promote game other than this site or maybe other which you can consider safe. And here you say that, this is totally a free game but again if you guys want to support me financially you can here is my patreon or payment link.

Won't work, that's been done already, they still got their accounts frozen. Maim Lain was a more recentish victim. You guys aren't listening for shit, whatever. *already not watching thread but gets quoted, has said what needed to be said, stop quoting me*

 

[kira123]

Won't work, that's been done already, they still got their accounts frozen. Maim Lain was a more recentish victim. You guys aren't listening for shit, whatever. *already not watching thread but gets quoted, has said what needed to be said, stop quoting me*

What's happening with Maim Lain? How it is related to my case? Does he want to hide his porn money income as well?

 

[Asia Argento]

Said the guy on a website dedicated to doing something illegal.

Always can count on your wit to nearly make me spit my drink on my monitor.

What's happening with Maim Lain? How it is related to my case? Does he want to hide his porn money income as well?

Even if you tried, they would ban you given if someone didnt like your work, they would snitch you out to the government and they would mess you up.

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[BupoTiling03-Retired]

What's happening with Maim Lain? How it is related to my case? Does he want to hide his porn money income as well?

Maim made free mods, but had a Patreon for people to donate if they wished. A few jerk-offs decided she wasn't making the mods fast enough, and they tried to extort her, reported to Patreon that mods were for games Patreon might not be keen on supporting. Had her account locked, et cetera, blablabla...without even questioning her. *keeps getting quoted, agh!*

 

[Asia Argento]

Maim made free mods, but had a Patreon for people to donate if they wished. A few jerk-offs decided she wasn't making the mods fast enough, and they tried to extort her, reported to Patreon that mods were for games Patreon might not be keen on supporting. Had her account locked, et cetera, blablabla...without even questioning her. *keeps getting quoted, agh!*

Lain’s mods are always top notch though, especially the Harem Hotel one. Pretty sad people have to be creeps, like the freak who tried to impersonate me on here lately. Like cant people just enjoy the p0rn and be civil or do memes without the need for drama. Just total nonsense imho.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

Lain’s mods are always top notch though, especially the Harem Hotel one. Pretty sad people have to be creeps, like the freak who tried to impersonate me on here lately. Like cant people just enjoy the p0rn and be civil or do memes without the need for drama. Just total nonsense imho.

?

 

[Asia Argento]

Lerd0 has the “shithole” for that, thankfully.

 

[BupoTiling03-Retired]

Lerd0 has the “shithole” for that, thankfully.

...Somehow after looking at that profile I ended up on a YouTube video of Russian Village Boys singing Happy New Year. ...It was weird.

 

[Asia Argento]

...Somehow after looking at that profile I ended up on a YouTube video of Russian Village Boys singing Happy New Year. ...It was weird.

seems legit

 

[Count Morado]

Again here I'm.
Who else remembers me , if not just scroll up.

kira123
Ok, so if you wanted to be more extra careful about this conditions. The only way I see is you publish the game only on f95 for free, no patreon nothing else at the start of the development. Just try to gather as much fanbase as you can. You need very good quality not only about the art but also high quality script. Otherwise this is not gonna work.

You must be thinking why would i sell my game for free. After putting lots of efforts and all. At the start if nobody have played or you don't have good previous record nobody will care. What they will see is some preview images and some overview that's it. By any chance someone pledges and plays your game and they don't like it they'll remove the support instantly.

After making the game available for free on here, just simply follow our previous strategy. Openly promote your game on here. But on patreon make a page regarding different thing (literally anything other than porno). Don't ever try to promote game other than this site or maybe other which you can consider safe. And here you say that, this is totally a free game but again if you guys want to support me financially you can here is my patreon or payment link.

And if you were not able to gather a good fanbase then it was never meant to become financially successful.

The good example of this is this game
Grandma's House [v0.04] [MoonBox]
This game was totally a free game until v0.03 version of it and no payment gateway, no payment accounts, nothing at all. The players literally insisted the developer to open a payment account so they can show their appreciation towards the game. The account was just created after the the v0.03 and before the latest release. Approximately around 1.5 month since it's opened and he is getting a good support of $438. Which is insane for a totally new dev. But he has putted a lot of efforts into his game with different concept, varieties, content and this payed him of.

The failing point of your collusion is that you have discussed it in an online forum that is easily discoverable by the most simplest of prosecutorial authorities using the most popular search engine available. This entire thread is open to the public, as an example:



If there ever was an investigation into OP by officials in their area, they would serve warrants on Patreon/whomever to turn over all IP addresses, user names, email addresses, comment threads, 'private' correspondences. Someone on there would mention F95 somewhere. Even 100 supporters are too many to keep the secret of how they found your page. This would be after possibly creating a Patreon account and subscribing to gather anything publicly, first.

Then using either an internet search engine or simply looking up messages in threads here - by user names either shared or used on the Patreon, they would find this thread, and any others which would raise enough suspicious that they would be able send a formal request to Sam to turn over all data regarding specified user accounts, again, including IP addresses and email addresses, comment threads, 'private' correspondences.

There would probably be enough publicly available information from the Patreon comments section to connect to users here on F95 for a legal secretary to be able to discover enough relevant support within one 8-hour day to have official service of requests to Patreon and F95 in the email boxes of the appropriate administrators within a week's time.

What's happening with Maim Lain? How it is related to my case? Does he want to hide his porn money income as well?