jhonatanw
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Mistress_Kixen
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Wow just wow the game has an incest tag, but it seems like everything you try to actually put it in is blocked.
Jericho85
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About 60% of those posts are from one guy spamming, and about 20% are from other patrons telling his ass to shut the fuck up.
Of the remaining posts, there are one or two people whining but a lot of commenters are staying relaxed and not coming up with any crazy speculations. They're fine with Xeno taking his time, but still would like to see some kind of status update.
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I repeat, in the middle of August and maybe later! Last year it was July 15. So the time increases even more for an update
If that happen.. I will implement my decision and ask the police to get him out
Bro its been almost been an entire month since he said he was almost done with the update and since has only gone completely quiet, he does not get benefit of the doubt.
Jericho85
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I mean... He's the dev and it's his project. He gets to work at any pace he wants and release the project whenever he wants. So of course he gets the benefit of the doubt.
At any rate, people can speculate all the want about the whys the hows or the whens regarding the update, but in the end it really doesn't matter. The update will come out whenever Xenorav is good and well ready to post it. It's freelance work and there are no deadlines or fiduciary obligations.
If the reason for the delay is an emergency or a convincing reason, then there is no problem, but if the reason for the delay is because he wants to delay, then this is a despicable thing because he takes from the money of people and donors, so he must speed up his work if there is no reason to prevent him.. Don't forget money of the people that they spend to get the updates.. Hope he comes soon
Jericho85
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Those patrons are donating freely. It's their decision and they do it because they want to support the project. I'm modestly supporting eight different VN projects and I throw $1 at Xenorav every month for that very reason... Because Heart Problems is one of my favorites. I think it's worth the support and a buck a month is no skin off my back. Back when Xenorav paused subs for a couple months, a lot of patrons were saying the pause wasn't necessary but he did it anyway.
So trust me dude, no one is getting "scammed". Imagining some nefarious "Despicable" plot is just a waste of energy and unnecessary negativity. Whether the silence means there was an emergency or not doesn't matter to me. The dev is allowed to work at his own pace and I'll toss my measly $1 at Xenorav every month until the day Heart Problems is finished or abandoned.
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goodbye890
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while i do agree with your take that they're subscribing at their own volition, i must to clarify that many crowdfunding platforms, including patreon, offer subscription based models where patrons receive certain benefits in return for their ongoing support. While some people may choose to donate freely out of sheer goodwill, its also common for individuals to subscribe to support the developers work and gain access to exclusive content or updates, by subscribing, patrons not only contribute to the financial aspect of the project but also help ensure its continued development, it creates a win-win scenario where supporters get to be part of the creative journey, while the developer receives consistent funding and motivation to fulfill their vision, so its not merely about individuals wanting to give money as a donation, but rather a mutually beneficial arrangement.
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Jericho85
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Means nothing.But brother what about the pinned post days ago.. That's mean nothing?!
The benefits listed on each tier are perks but not obligations. The tiers are still donations at the end of the day and the tiered benefits are available when they're available. If a patron isn't getting what they think they're "entitled" to, then they can just write a nasty letter to the dev and unsub. They're still not owed anything at the end of the day. Donations are for support, not expectations.
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goodbye890
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i see what you mean on the nature of donations and the steps patrons can take if they feel unsatisfied with the benefits and stuff but i still think its essential to consider the broader context of subscription-based crowdfunding platforms like Patreon.
while its true that the benefits listed on each tier are perks and not obligations, its also important to acknowledge that these tiered benefits play a significant role in attracting patrons to pledge their support, patrons choose to subscribe and contribute because they believe in the project's potential and want to see it come to fruition, their ongoing support is not solely based on goodwill, but also on the expectation of receiving certain exclusive content or updates in return, platforms like patreon provide a structure where creators and supporters enter into a mutually beneficial arrangement. This arrangement allows creators to receive consistent funding and motivation, which is crucial for their continued development, while supporters get to be part of the creative journey and gain access to exclusive content. It is not just a one-sided act of giving money but rather a symbiotic relationship. and your right that they can just unsub, also you say donations but its subscriptions i would say that they are for expectations, hence the symbioltic relationship aspect, but i do see what you mean though
Jericho85
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Oh definitely not a one-sided thing. I just think the payoff for patrons is more about the project itself, not any side perks. Patrons give money to Creators whatever they think they are worth or whatever they feel comfortable in donating.
Besides, I think there are two types of patrons. One type, for example, just want an early release or some exclusive wallpapers. Those types will just sub for a grand total of 5 minutes to get whatever they want out of it, then cancel immediately. From my experience, those types are not going to stay subbing at that tier month to month after they got what they wanted.
The other type are people that choose to stay subbed month to month (regardless of tier). When people stay subbed, they aren't typically doing it with any kind of expectations or obligations in mind. They know what they're doing and they're doing it just to support the project, not any side perks.
