Aristos

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What if the title is autobiographic? :(
What if Xeno actually had heart problems and the game's title was a way of owning it and coping with it.
Rendering those assess wouldn't be the best way to deal with such a condition, so I really really hope he's fine.
[...] Sitting for long hours has wrecked my body, I'm overweight, and I get random heart pains (the doctor said it's from stress and a sedentary lifestyle).
Fuck me sideways and call me a potato o_O

Anyway, there was a lot of bullshit in that dev update post; so much so, that I'd dare to say it was mainly made of bullshit.
This is what we, as adult game players, have fostered over the years. Congrats to all of us :)
 

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Patreon is nothing more than a donation or a thank you for their work.
FALSE.
I'm tired of reading this fallacy.
And this comes from someone who is currently supporting 5 devs on Patreon.

If the next update never comes, oh well, it was a great game for what is here, games die all the time and replaced all the time.
That part is true.
 

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FALSE.
I'm tired of reading this fallacy.
And this comes from someone who is currently supporting 5 devs on Patreon.
I have about 30 plus, it's still a donation and a thank you for the work/content...they still don't owe me anything beyond what they have already produced. Other dev's will say the same thing...it's okay you don't think that....it is what it is.

There is no promise.
 

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I have about 30 plus, it's still a donation and a thank you for the work/content...they still don't owe me anything beyond what they have already produced. Other dev's will say the same thing...it's okay you don't think that....it is what it is.

There is no promise.
The game is hidden behind a paywall, only subscribers have access to it, it is not accessible to the public, plus each tier is often linked to certain rewards depending on how much you pay. It is not a tip or some charity money when certain content and even the game itself are only accessible for those who pay.
I also support two youtubers/streamers from my country. In that case, I'm donating because I want them to keep doing what they do, but their content is free. That's a donation; the other thing is not a donation, it is a quid pro quo.
This guy has 1,300 patrons; the most usual tier is €5. With a rough estimation of € 6,000 a month since that's the most common tier (it's probably more actually), and if he indeed lives in Spain, it would blow your mind to know how much that is compared to certain professions. That's about the salary of a Spanish Supreme Court judge, to name just one.
 
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The game is hidden behind a paywall, only subscribers have access to it, it is not accessible to the public, plus each tier is often linked to certain rewards depending on how much you pay. It is not a tip or some charity money when certain content and even the game itself are only accessible for those who pay.
I also support two youtubers/streamers from my country. In that case, I'm donating because I want them to keep doing what they do, but their content is free. That's a donation; the other thing is not a donation, it is a quid pro quo.
This guy has 1,300 patrons; the most usual tier is €5. With a rough estimation of € 6,000 a month since that's the most common tier (it's probably more actually), and if he indeed lives in Spain, it would blow your mind to know how much that is compared to certain professions. That's about the salary of a Spanish Supreme Court judge, to name just one.
literally what ive been fucking saying the whole time, and here i was thinking i was the only one that had this thought
 

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The game is hidden behind a paywall, only subscribers have access to it, it is not accessible to the public, plus each tier is often linked to certain rewards depending on how much you pay. It is not a tip or some charity money when certain content and even the game itself are only accessible for those who pay.
I also support two youtubers/streamers from my country. In that case, I'm donating because I want them to keep doing what they do, but their content is free. That's a donation; the other thing is not a donation, it is a quid pro quo.
This guy has 1,300 patrons; the most usual tier is €5. With a rough estimation of € 6,000 a month since that's the most common tier (it's probably more actually), and if he indeed lives in Spain, it would blow your mind to know how much that is compared to certain professions. That's about the salary of a Spanish Supreme Court judge, to name just one.
As I said: they still don't owe me anything beyond what they have already produced.

It is what it is :coffee:
 

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As I said: they still don't owe me anything beyond what they have already produced.

It is what it is :coffee:
Well, they're lucky to have such a generous patron.

If instead of releasing the final episode of The Entrepreneur, Mistermaya had suddenly dropped the project or disappeared after 13 months of me paying him while waiting for the update, I would have been really pissed and would have felt conned. Fortunately, he's a decent dev who used his patron's money to deliver what we paid him for.

Your approach is legitimate, but IMHO it's not the best way to promote adult game development and has brought us where we are now (and I'm not talking specifically about Heart Problems).
 

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Well, they're lucky to have such a generous patron.

If instead of releasing the final episode of The Entrepreneur, Mistermaya had suddenly dropped the project or disappeared after 13 months of me paying him while waiting for the update, I would have been really pissed and would have felt conned. Fortunately, he's a decent dev who used his patron's money to deliver what we paid him for.
Wait, I thought the last release came out? Thought it said completed?

Oh, you're saying if he didn't.
 
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Well, they're lucky to have such a generous patron.

If instead of releasing the final episode of The Entrepreneur, Mistermaya had suddenly dropped the project or disappeared after 13 months of me paying him while waiting for the update, I would have been really pissed and would have felt conned. Fortunately, he's a decent dev who used his patron's money to deliver what we paid him for.

Your approach is legitimate, but IMHO it's not the best way to promote adult game development and has brought us where we are now (and I'm not talking specifically about Heart Problems).
LOL are you fucking with me? i literally wrote something exactly like this a couple pages back, anyhow yeah 100%
 
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Hmm, I assume you are talking about the "complete edition" correct?
It was always called complete edition, I believe, but it was tagged "early release".
Now it's the real complete edition with all the bugs gone and some new music too, I think. It has not been leaked here yet.
The problem is that the dev did not make a new post on Patreon, but he just changed the link to the game in the old post and informed us about it on Discord yesterday.
 

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It was always called complete edition, I believe, but it was tagged "early release".
Now it's the real complete edition with all the bugs gone and some new music too, I think. It has not been leaked here yet.
The problem is that the dev did not make a new post on Patreon, but he just changed the link to the game in the old post and informed us about it on Discord yesterday.
I looked the other day, but the Patreon post wasn't updated and still said whatever date it was. So, I just assumed it was the same as what is coming to Steam and already here.

I will just wait on Steam as it looks like it will be $10 plus a discount.
 

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Xenorav is a hard working developer(y)
I just hope the update comes soon,
I don't want die before f**king Amelie :cry:
 
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