To play a game about cultivators you need to have some understanding of cultivators. I would suggest go read some good cultivator manhwa before you play this game as it does not handhold you through the principles of cultivating.
Ren'Py Heavenly Peaks Cultivation [v2.98] [My Big Little Brother]
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I literally read the novel "Dragon Prince Yuan" in its entirety.
The problem with this game is in the training system itself, everything could be simplified.
You have 3 fighting styles, one physical, one spiritual and one weapon. Not only that but you have 500 different workouts that give different statuses. And as if that weren't enough, there are still cultivation areas.
It's a lot to explore just at the beginning of the game, especially when you have a time limit to accomplish a certain objective.
I myself only got used to it at the end of 2.0. Everything would be more practical if the dev simplified the training system into “physical training” and “spiritual training” and he could leave cultivation as is.
No the complexity is not much for a cultivator game.. I had no problem with the various training my problem is that Qi is done all wrong. I have absolutely found NO USE for it except acting as a poor man's version of Stamina for physical attacks.
The game is focused on Cultivating and all cultivators win the girls over.. so it follows the genre well.
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There's no reason to make it avoidable - in fact I can't. The things he mention simply do not exist. There's no NTR or rape in the game, so there's nothing to remove or make avoidable.
If there was such things in my project, Patreon would have nuked my page long ago, as it's against their TOS as well.
You're right about one thing though, explaining myself was clearly pointless.
There's no reason to make it avoidable - in fact I can't. The things he mention simply do not exist. There's no NTR or rape in the game, so there's nothing to remove or make avoidable.
If there was such things in my project, Patreon would have nuked my page long ago, as it's against their TOS as well.
You're right about one thing though, explaining myself was clearly pointless.
Just do what you think you should do, the game is great even with some problems in the beginning and has a promising future.
And about the people crying over a scene, I think you already get about what to do with those people lol
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I don't want you to misunderstand me here. It seems most players immediately jump to "dev-is-being-argumentative". As stated in the in-game documentation there are really only two reasons you'd see qi is useless:
- The first, and most important is your character build. There are only 2 of 6 stats that adhere to making your qi strikes more powerful. Raising these will increase your maximum qi as well as increase the damage your qi strikes do.
- The second reason is equally important when it comes to dealing damage. You need to switch your combat style to spirit strikes. Once this is done, your character will use qi based attacks to strike foes - not physical ones.
If you're curious, this isn't a new change.
In regards to your concerns about qi being mishandled - that's how it all works currently and I don't have any plans to alter this in the near future.
As I mentioned originally - this info can all be viewed in-game (and thus why I recommended checking out the in-game help):
Go to the navigation menu > Lessons -->
Battle and Combat styles topics.
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I agree in theory but unfortunately responding to people like this is part of my job as a developer.
I can only correct their misunderstanding, if they want to jump on a bandwagon that leads to nowhere - well, that's their freedom.
Also, if they want to misconstrue my interactions with them as "butthurt" - I suggest they touch grass.
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As per some other concerns / complaints:
Too complex for a porn game:
Perhaps. In the beginning not much was clearly explained. This is because I intended this to be a niche project, not necessarily something made to appeal to "the masses". Cultivation / eastern fantasy has it's own idiosyncrasies and watering them down was never my intention. Now there's a whole section of the game dedicated to answering questions, so once you learn a few things you'll realize it isn't as complex as you believe.
500 types of training -
hue hue hue *antagonist laugh + glasses adjustment*
Yes.
But no.
Training is actually quite simple, though I can see how it's misleading. The point of the game isn't to train constantly and you don't gain finite strength by doing so. Training exists to help you get the most out of your cultivation by conditioning your body.
The Game Is Confusing:
Cultivation is confusing for the uninitiated. There are many terms that you simply won't understand, and even if you were to research - you might not understand the concept of them. This is a genre "thing", not necessarily me being unclear or purposefully confusing. Imo, this is neat, but I can see how it's also confusing. I think it's great because the genre is purposely structured so that you only understand in retrospect and thus have gained enlightenment. Some players have argued that not knowing certain things ruin their cultivation path. I argue against that, especially since the prologue is essentially a learning period with very few "real" consequences like the coming chapters will have.
As For Anything Else:
I did go through GREAT pains to add a help screen where you can view topics about all the game currently has to offer.
Navigation Menu > Lessons > Click a Topic To Read.
Almost all of your questions can be answered here in this section. If your first thought is "I shouldn't have to read stuff to learn how to play", then all I can say is that this may not be the genre/game for you. I could water all this stuff down, but I don't want to and many of the people who support the project don't wish for this either.
I've had people argue me, sometimes violently, about how I don't "get it". I get it, not making a casual game that appeals to the masses vastly decreases the potential success I can have. I knew that from the start. I'm not being obstinate, and I am not concerned with whether you think I'm pigheaded.
This is my dao, and I will follow it to the end. That's what cultivation is all about.
Too complex for a porn game:
Perhaps. In the beginning not much was clearly explained. This is because I intended this to be a niche project, not necessarily something made to appeal to "the masses". Cultivation / eastern fantasy has it's own idiosyncrasies and watering them down was never my intention. Now there's a whole section of the game dedicated to answering questions, so once you learn a few things you'll realize it isn't as complex as you believe.
500 types of training -
hue hue hue *antagonist laugh + glasses adjustment*
Yes.
But no.
Training is actually quite simple, though I can see how it's misleading. The point of the game isn't to train constantly and you don't gain finite strength by doing so. Training exists to help you get the most out of your cultivation by conditioning your body.
The Game Is Confusing:
Cultivation is confusing for the uninitiated. There are many terms that you simply won't understand, and even if you were to research - you might not understand the concept of them. This is a genre "thing", not necessarily me being unclear or purposefully confusing. Imo, this is neat, but I can see how it's also confusing. I think it's great because the genre is purposely structured so that you only understand in retrospect and thus have gained enlightenment. Some players have argued that not knowing certain things ruin their cultivation path. I argue against that, especially since the prologue is essentially a learning period with very few "real" consequences like the coming chapters will have.
As For Anything Else:
I did go through GREAT pains to add a help screen where you can view topics about all the game currently has to offer.
Navigation Menu > Lessons > Click a Topic To Read.
Almost all of your questions can be answered here in this section. If your first thought is "I shouldn't have to read stuff to learn how to play", then all I can say is that this may not be the genre/game for you. I could water all this stuff down, but I don't want to and many of the people who support the project don't wish for this either.
I've had people argue me, sometimes violently, about how I don't "get it". I get it, not making a casual game that appeals to the masses vastly decreases the potential success I can have. I knew that from the start. I'm not being obstinate, and I am not concerned with whether you think I'm pigheaded.
This is my dao, and I will follow it to the end. That's what cultivation is all about.
But please reduce the Qi requirements. It makes no sense for physical attacks to require so much damn Qi. I can't even use Qi because the cost of all attacks cost too much.. too expensive as it is for normal attacks.. add the Qi and it's nearly impossible.
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> He beat her up because he wanted to murder her and then eat her
> He changed his mind and instead offered her a deal of "choose between sex or death"
> She chose to live. therefore it was consensual and not rape
facepalm. if you are literally telling someone that you will murder them if they say no, it is rape.
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He attacked her because she entered his "territory", her sole reason for doing so was to "eat" aka absorb energy.
She lost the battle, and rather than "eat" her, he gave her a choice (which she accepted). This choice involved her getting what she wanted anyway, which was to stay in his territory and absorb energy.
She was freely able to move about without restriction - meaning at any point thereafter she could have left. The terms of the deal were simple, if you want to stay in my territory, then we do sexual things.
That doesn't really fit the traditional definition of forced sex or rape, does it? In this instance, its more like having a sugar daddy.
As I've mentioned from the beginning, people are so bent on the "bad dev" kick that they really just aren't listening. You're free to think whatever you like, but even if that's true - with all of the people who've played (thousands at this point), only one person has ever said there was NTR or rape in the game.
And that person only called "attention" to these perceived issues after having a few of their suggestions ignored. Pretty convenient, if you ask me.
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Bro you’re so far in denial you’re in Egypt. I genuinely think you’re trolling at this point. And whether or not you believe it’s NTR or rape it’s clear other people do. It’s been clearly laid out, both by F95 and other definitions, that it is rape/ntr. If the mods here weren’t so finicky about the tag(s) they’d already be applied.There's no reason to make it avoidable - in fact I can't. The things he mention simply do not exist. There's no NTR or rape in the game, so there's nothing to remove or make avoidable.
If there was such things in my project, Patreon would have nuked my page long ago, as it's against their TOS as well.
You're right about one thing though, explaining myself was clearly pointless.
He attacked her because she entered his "territory", her sole reason for doing so was to "eat" aka absorb energy.
She lost the battle, and rather than "eat" her, he gave her a choice (which she accepted). This choice involved her getting what she wanted anyway, which was to stay in his territory and absorb energy.
She was freely able to move about without restriction - meaning at any point thereafter she could have left. The terms of the deal were simple, if you want to stay in my territory, then we do sexual things.
That doesn't really fit the traditional definition of forced sex or rape, does it? In this instance, its more like having a sugar daddy.
As I've mentioned from the beginning, people are so bent on the "bad dev" kick that they really just aren't listening. You're free to think whatever you like, but even if that's true - with all of the people who've played (thousands at this point), only one person has ever said there was NTR or rape in the game.
And that person only called "attention" to these perceived issues after having a few of their suggestions ignored. Pretty convenient, if you ask me.
You literally must be joking. About everything.
1st of all sexual extortion is a form of rape. Look up the laws in almost any developed nation. She doesn’t have to be physically held down for it to be rape. She’d either suffer/starve or die if she didn’t agree to have sex with him. That is rape by almost any legal definition. And since she’s an LI; that’s NTR. There are other ways for her to get energy. You could’ve used them. You didn’t.
2nd you’re off your chump(To borrow an old saying) if you claim only one person has said it’s rape/NTR. Several people have repeatedly and I’m willing to bet their comments have either been removed, you’ve blocked them, or you’re just straight-up ignoring them.
I’m not trying to be a dick here but you’re either purposefully ignoring the truth/the opinions of others or heavily delusional
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Q: Several people have repeatedly and I’m willing to bet their comments have either been removed, you’ve blocked them, or you’re just straight-up ignoring them.
A: I don't moderate nor manage this thread - so how can I delete comments? I've not removed a single message on this thread.
Q: 1st of all sexual extortion is a form of rape.
A: She's not being sexually extorted. They formed a mutual agreement. A mutually beneficial one at that.
Q: And since she’s an LI; that’s NTR.
A: She's not a love interest. The main character currently does not have any love interests, nor share any romantic feelings with any of the characters.
Q: She doesn’t have to be physically held down for it to be rape. She’d either suffer/starve or die if she didn’t agree to have sex with him.
A: No, she wouldn't. After they made their initial deal she was free to go and leave as she pleased. I explained that, several times which you'd know if you actually read any of the things I said. Even if she left, she wouldn't have "starved", for her it's just a matter of absorbing some energy from the atmosphere. She wanted to utilize that area because it was rich with energy. In other words as you said " There are other ways for her to get energy." Heirgo, she chose to stay in that area for the benefits it bought. Other than sex, Vagrah never bothered her and she was able to freely move as she pleased which is how she meets the main character to begin with, further expanding on the "no NTR" point.
As for some of the other stuff you mentioned technically, if you want 100% honesty -- other developers actually suggest I ignore conversing with people like yourself altogether. I'm starting to see the wisdom behind their suggestions.
Do you always just make assumptions that feed into whatever narrative you want to push?
Seems like this isn't really about whether those elements actually exist in game, but whether you (or others) are just wrong or right.
I can "unconfuse" this for you -
In the realm of opinion, everyone is correct. Your opinion has absolutely no more worth than my own. Which means if you perceive a thing incorrectly, that doesn't make you right - it just means you misunderstood a thing. As for my own perceptions, I can only explain them to you. The deal breaker is reality.
Fortunately, things like fact and reality exist. Even with the definitions of rape or NTR, nothing in my game matches either of those.
The truth is NTR doesn't exist in the project - nor do any rape scenes.
It is what it is. Whether you're willing to accept that or not really isn't my problem.
I can tell you have not read a lot of cultivation novels! This is a theme among nearly all of them. The both sexes want the other for the opposite energy males have Yang energy and female have Yin energy the problem is with cultivators one is stronger than the other. The stronger dominates the relationship and will have many partners while the weaker is nearly a slave. Still benefits but does not get the harem in essence.
Now you can have beneficial Dual Cultivation or the stronger could be more evil and use the weaker as a furnace basically stealing the cultivation of the weaker one.
Now there is some general rules among all cultivators.
1. If your the stronger one than anything goes
2. Mortal laws do not apply to cultivators
3. Cultivators have a bit of a common understanding (leave mortals alone of course broken by those who practice the demonic ways
4. You don't invade other immortal cultivators territory (They know when they do they are going to fight for there lives most likely)
5. Only real rape to immortals are if you rape a mortal
6. Cultivators do not have anything such as prostitution or rape. They will have sex for enjoyment at times , dual cultivation to benefit each other, and/or for benefits that will help there cultivation.
7. 5. To cultivators their is no such thing as rape/NTR (you lose your life belongs to the other unless your able to escape, someone rescues you, or you kill the master freeing yourself)
After all once someone owns you how can you call it rape and this is an understanding between both male and female immortals/cultivators.
You have to understand that immortals/cultivators will do ANYTHING to become immortal it is their only real goal and they will use others to accomplish that. In one of the manhwa I am reading the MC got caught by a female stronger than him and was being used as a furnace until he was finally able to escape.
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Yea, thank you for pointing these things out. The reality is, I could have - but I can't really be responsible for someone else's education - you know? Besides, no one would really listen - they would just accuse me of "making excuses" more, or claim they have read tons of cultivation stories on WN and therefore I couldn't *possibly* be correct, etc etc.
I went through great lengths to add a lot of lore related info the the help section, but even then there is just so much that you don't gain context with unless you go deeper into the genre of cultivation itself.
The crazy part is, I didn't even do a fraction of the crazy stuff I've read or heard of in some other cultivation stories.
I understand where they come from to a degree, but I think the disconnect is that losing a battle in eastern fantasy culture essentially means the enemy can do whatever they want with you. It's an incredibly ruthless lifestyle - something that is repeatedly told to Bai Huan, yet it isn't until certain experiences that he comes to understand intimately.
Losing an arm, being crippled phsyically / mentally / spiritually, giving your body / blood / money / power up for survival - these are all very likely (and common) consequences of a lost fight. It's also possible for your entire family to die from such a thing. That obviously defies today's common sense logic, but in this context it's a valid reaction.
The fact that Vagrah essentially gave her a choice, then offered her the benefit of free reign in his territory as long as she kept to their agreement is actually very, very nice by comparison to many things I've seen / read.
You also made another really good point that is overlooked. Vagrah may have had sex with her, but it wasn't *just* for sex's sake. He also got stronger as a consequence (as did Syphii).
I liked how you introduced the MC to the girls because it is so logical in cultivators world. Any other world it would not be after all in his innocence to save her he did do some actions that could be considered as a molester. She would of never came back if there was not a benefit to her to help him it was only after she was healed so quickly she realized that there is something special about his body. Hence she made a deal with him that was beneficial to her and him both and it was so beneficial she was willing to have sex with him to test the results of having his semen. The other girl of course followed along when she found out about the benefits.
So she is willing to do anything for him basically to make sure he survives as it is benefiting her and if he dies she loses that benefit permanently. In turn he benefits from her as he is learning about a world he knows nothing about and was thrown into and he also knows that this will help his family, so he is willing to go through thick and thin to survive.
This plot is actually many times better than some of the cultivator manhwa I have read.