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It is worth noting that unlike Bare Witness, there will not be a full separate ending for each LI or combo. There is 3 main endings currently planned (with internal variation based on smaller factors).
Has this really been confirmed? I really liked bare witness for the solo routes and particularly the in depth endings with each individual LI. I knew harem stuff would be in this but assumed it would have satisfying solo routes as well, disappointing if not...
 
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Considering how well Bare Witness was made, i think this one will be epic. The plot is completely unusual, and the LIs are hot as fuck. The redheads and Aurora will be my target hahahaha
 

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Has this really been confirmed? I really liked bare witness for the solo routes and particularly the in depth endings with each individual LI. I knew harem stuff would be in this but assumed it would have satisfying solo routes as well, disappointing if not...
From the Steam store page:
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Logistically, there was just no way they could have the same ending variation in Heaven's Door, if for no other reason than there's considerably more love interests. Time commitment is always limited, and with the number of LIs and stuff it makes sense to have a couple deep, thorough endings than to have 15-20 shallow endings because they spread themselves too thin. Not that there are 15-20 main LIs, but when you include some of the likely polycules that may form within the harem...
 

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From the Steam store page:
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Logistically, there was just no way they could have the same ending variation in Heaven's Door, if for no other reason than there's considerably more love interests. Time commitment is always limited, and with the number of LIs and stuff it makes sense to have a couple deep, thorough endings than to have 15-20 shallow endings because they spread themselves too thin. Not that there are 15-20 main LIs, but when you include some of the likely polycules that may form within the harem...
Ah, hadn't looked on the steam page. I get the challenge with lots of LIs, but still really disappointing after bare witness if it's just a generic harem where you collect all the girls. I think I assumed some of the girls would be main LIs with endings and some less developed side girls. I guess I'll check back when it's completed to see exactly how in depth and satisfying those ending variants mentioned are. Better to know now though, thanks!
 

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Ah, hadn't looked on the steam page. I get the challenge with lots of LIs, but still really disappointing after bare witness if it's just a generic harem where you collect all the girls. I think I assumed some of the girls would be main LIs with endings and some less developed side girls. I guess I'll check back when it's completed to see exactly how in depth and satisfying those ending variants mentioned are. Better to know now though, thanks!
There's 11 main LIs, and the game is optionally full harem with them. That means you can pick and choose which ones you want to be with, so you can be with 0-11 of them and everything in between. It's safe to assume they can have reasonably significant parts in the endings, but you won't get a fully different ending for each.

There are side LIs as well in addition to those 11 main LIs. I imagine those wouldn't have as big a part in the rest of the game or the endings.

One benefit, by the way, of doing things this way with less branching is they can have more chapters. They are planning on 12-15 this time.
 

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There's 11 main LIs, and the game is optionally full harem with them. That means you can pick and choose which ones you want to be with, so you can be with 0-11 of them and everything in between. It's safe to assume they can have reasonably significant parts in the endings, but you won't get a fully different ending for each.

There are side LIs as well in addition to those 11 main LIs. I imagine those wouldn't have as big a part in the rest of the game or the endings.

One benefit, by the way, of doing things this way with less branching is they can have more chapters. They are planning on 12-15 this time.
That's going to be difficult to make though surely? Unless some girls will be in separate groups initially, that will only come as a group. For instance if you don't accept Patricia then Nikki won't be with you? If there are 11 girls and can pick and choose which to take or not, that would remove some of them from certain group scenes. Which would require different renders for the same scene? Sorry I'm not a developer so I don't know exactly how it would work.
 
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There's 11 main LIs, and the game is optionally full harem with them. That means you can pick and choose which ones you want to be with, so you can be with 0-11 of them and everything in between. It's safe to assume they can have reasonably significant parts in the endings, but you won't get a fully different ending for each.
Lots of harem games have the option to technically do a solo route with one girl, but I haven't played one yet that makes it actually feel like a satisfying relationship. To me they usually just feel like you're ticking boxes on a menu of which girls you want to see. You tick one box or you tick ten but it doesn't really matter. I don't believe the relationships and the games don't usually adapt to acknowledge you're on a solo path. Just not my thing.

Bare witness is maybe the best I've played in terms of including satisfying and distinct group and solo routes. I loved Mora's solo route in bare witness, it felt like a dedicated specific story between her and the MC that was believable and was only happening on that path. I hoped this would include similar routes, even if only for a few LIs, alongside the group options...

Anyway, not everything can be right for everyone, no worries. The writing in bare witness was good enough that I'll keep an eye on it just in case!
 

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That's going to be difficult to make though surely? Unless some girls will be in separate groups initially, that will only come as a group. For instance if you don't accept Patricia then Nikki won't be with you? If there are 11 girls and can pick and choose which to take or not, that would remove some of them from certain group scenes. Which would require different renders for the same scene? Sorry I'm not a developer so I don't know exactly how it would work.
It does make group scenes potentially more complicated, but there's ways to mitigate that some. The simplest, of course, is to skip a group scene if you aren't with everyone involved. The alternative is to make multiple versions, as you suggested.

In any case, they've said you'll be able to choose whether or not to get romantic with the LIs in an individual level. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll get all the sex scenes or variants of them that potentially include your chosen LI though on an individual basis.
 
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That's going to be difficult to make though surely? Unless some girls will be in separate groups initially, that will only come as a group. For instance if you don't accept Patricia then Nikki won't be with you? If there are 11 girls and can pick and choose which to take or not, that would remove some of them from certain group scenes. Which would require different renders for the same scene? Sorry I'm not a developer so I don't know exactly how it would work.
Handling branching complexities will always be difficult. That said, it's pretty clear that the decision to enable a player to be either/or/both with Patricia and Nikki is obvious on the second visit to HD when Nikki is absent and Patricia prompts MC to answer who he's there to see. They're not going to let a user make meaningless choices when it comes to choosing LIs.
 
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In any case, they've said you'll be able to choose whether or not to get romantic with the LIs in an individual level. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll get all the sex scenes or variants of them that potentially include your chosen LI though on an individual basis.
You also gotta keep in mind that most LIs (so far) are strippers.

The story already started buried to the neck in cliché territory
with a guy stepping into a strip bar for the first time and instantly becoming everyones favorite dude (but no, actually a friend, and some strippers got a legitimate crush on him and also you don't have to pay anymore buddy)
that I honestly have to wonder if they dare to take that even further
with you having the opportunity to "rescue" one (or a few) of them and get them out of the business to be loyal to you only

It is currently very well written and it absolutely needs to stay that way to not drop off even deeper into ridiculous lonely guy fantasy tropes.
 
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You also gotta keep in mind that most LIs (so far) are strippers.

The story already started buried to the neck in cliché territory
with a guy stepping into a strip bar for the first time and instantly becoming everyones favorite dude (but no, actually a friend, and some strippers got a legitimate crush on him and also you don't have to pay anymore buddy)
that I honestly have to wonder if they dare to take that even further
with you having the opportunity to "rescue" one (or a few) of them and get them out of the business to be loyal to you only

It is currently very well written and it absolutely needs to stay that way to not drop off even deeper into ridiculous lonely guy fantasy tropes.
Yeah, Mike might like us now. But I think he might have a problem when we end up taking his entire stock of strippers. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Lots of harem games have the option to technically do a solo route with one girl, but I haven't played one yet that makes it actually feel like a satisfying relationship. To me they usually just feel like you're ticking boxes on a menu of which girls you want to see. You tick one box or you tick ten but it doesn't really matter. I don't believe the relationships and the games don't usually adapt to acknowledge you're on a solo path. Just not my thing.

Bare witness is maybe the best I've played in terms of including satisfying and distinct group and solo routes. I loved Mora's solo route in bare witness, it felt like a dedicated specific story between her and the MC that was believable and was only happening on that path. I hoped this would include similar routes, even if only for a few LIs, alongside the group options...

Anyway, not everything can be right for everyone, no worries. The writing in bare witness was good enough that I'll keep an eye on it just in case!
Well the story is about strippers, that means they're meant to be banged, not for romance. hahahaha
We should get this basic idea that most of the LIs are doing lap dance to others for money, so "satisfying relationship" kinda not fit for those LIs right? since the main theme is about Strippers.

Perhaps, what you will get are either Dramatic Relationship or Tragic Relationship.
so the best deal is bang every girls, and pick your favorite LIs for the ending. :BootyTime:
 
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Well the story is about strippers, that means they're meant to be banged, not for romance. hahahaha
We should get this basic idea that most of the LIs are doing lap dance to others for money, so "satisfying relationship" kinda not fit for those LIs right? since the main theme is about Strippers.
If it was a brothel and they were all prostitutes I'd probably agree, but if they're just strippers it could work. Pretty sure most strippers don't just randomly sleep with anyone, although they'll know that pretending they will could make them more money! Some might, but most probably completely detach their job which doesn't mean anything from their genuine romantic relationships.

With good writing I think a game could make genuine relationships with stripper LIs work, it would hardly be less realistic than a harem!
 
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