VN Ren'Py Heliorise [v0.2.0b] [JBReverse]

[zc077]

this is really a good god game must be called one of the best games ever ,deep plot, the female characters are very beautiful hope there will be more love scenes with cynthia

 

[YogSothoth1982]

What femdom? Haven't finished it yet (just completed the Prologue), but besides Eisheth wanting you to call her Queen after she saves you at the end of the party I haven't seen any femdom scene?

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Unless things have changed, there were one or two scenes where a series of comments from... I can't remember his name, gave me a horrible feeling of femdom. I played it quite a while ago, and those comments really limited my desire to continue.

 

[desmosome]

Oh yeah, it's REALLY taking me out of it. It reads like an American attempting to imitate how English people talk. One example is skint - skint is northern slang for poor, you can be skint, but you can not BE a skint.

It is honestly painful to read through, and for anyone who thinks this is actually how we talk, it is not. Like it REALLY isn't...

I'm just starting, but man, dev is laying it on so thick with this shit. Maybe I'm getting too old but I just want to smack these hooligans around and tell them to stop acting like retards. It's the kind of feeling I get when I see some broccoli head tiktok kid acting like a broccoli.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

It's quite confusing how the queen tells you to submit, you deny her and retain your humanity but become submissive in the same vein
but if you embrace your nature instead, and basically agree with her, you become dominant and also have the ability to shut her down and push her out in so many ways.

Why is this so ass backwards? lol. I mean I understand the power dynamic here embracing what you are the first time obviously awakens you a good bit, but that should also give you more submission points because you're taking the path of least resistance, whereas the denial of it, and refusing to cooperate with the queen should take you to the path of most resistance which is a more dominant outcome. Granted, Dominant mentality doesn't mean cruelty, it also means refusing to flow with things. You want to be in charge, to take action based on how you see fit, etc.

Idk, that just kinda ruined a bit of this chapter for me. I want to go the most resistant way possible to eiseth but I get punished for it by being submissive which I absolutely hate in the grand scheme lol. Meanwhile the dominant route not only can use their humanity to be like fuck nah bitch dont bite me, dont take me in the mind palace, and even if you do I can tell you to straight fuck off ontop of it like ???? I did all the same choices for BOTH runs and the one you accept had 3 ways to evade her, the one you refuse had 0 ways.




Even though structured/wholesome, im not submissive if I just pick the top option vs the bottom one at the start of episode 1, thats the ONLY thing that determines it, wildly enough. Whereas Option #2 at the start, puts you on a full sub route with her, and you dont get the options or icon. Just dont understand how its such a massive swing of a choice like that. Hell of a branch. Feel pretty pressured to pick route 1 cause of my view on submissiveness haha. (Also how MC talks during route 1 at the start makes me wanna shrivel up and die of cringe) the over-the-top UK slang is a little charming at times, but its definitely used a bit much, but that being said I dont hate the writing, I do enjoy it to a decent extent, but the whole spectacle when MC comes out of the party is truly painful.

 

[Skidables]

It's quite confusing how the queen tells you to submit, you deny her and retain your humanity but become submissive in the same vein
but if you embrace your nature instead, and basically agree with her, you become dominant and also have the ability to shut her down and push her out in so many ways.

Why is this so ass backwards? lol. I mean I understand the power dynamic here embracing what you are the first time obviously awakens you a good bit, but that should also give you more submission points because you're taking the path of least resistance, whereas the denial of it, and refusing to cooperate with the queen should take you to the path of most resistance which is a more dominant outcome. Granted, Dominant mentality doesn't mean cruelty, it also means refusing to flow with things. You want to be in charge, to take action based on how you see fit, etc.

Idk, that just kinda ruined a bit of this chapter for me. I want to go the most resistant way possible to eiseth but I get punished for it by being submissive which I absolutely hate in the grand scheme lol. Meanwhile the dominant route not only can use their humanity to be like fuck nah bitch dont bite me, dont take me in the mind palace, and even if you do I can tell you to straight fuck off ontop of it like ???? I did all the same choices for BOTH runs and the one you accept had 3 ways to evade her, the one you refuse had 0 ways.

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Even though structured/wholesome, im not submissive if I just pick the top option vs the bottom one at the start of episode 1, thats the ONLY thing that determines it, wildly enough. Whereas Option #2 at the start, puts you on a full sub route with her, and you dont get the options or icon. Just dont understand how its such a massive swing of a choice like that. Hell of a branch. Feel pretty pressured to pick route 1 cause of my view on submissiveness haha.

I am pretty sure there are other minor variables that decide btw. I know one is you impressed her variable, and there is another one where you are defiant towards her, and another sub towards her points. Like, I know there are some in the Seraphina choices when you first meet her. Also, I am pretty sure saying no makes you defiant towards her? She can't even make you kneel? And pressing the top symbol is stopping her from controlling you completely, unless I am misunderstanding?

 

[CrystalEyes95]

Shitty seeing pictures of your sister on the wall with cum dripping out of her cunt... deleted...

What nonsense are you spouting? That is not Helaine. I actually thought it was a cameo of Nova from Eternum. Literally looks like her?? And even if it wasn't Nova. It did not even remotely cross my mind to think it was Helaine.

 

[wiseold6996]

Damn, the whore from the party is still unavoidable. I hate getting railroaded into scenes to advance.

 

[Akabakka]

Chris, Albert and Barry, really ? Lol could not stop chuckling for a moment, thanks this made my day

 

[kazeiheikaya]

I am pretty sure there are other minor variables that decide btw. I know one is you impressed her variable, and there is another one where you are defiant towards her, and another sub towards her points. Like, I know there are some in the Seraphina choices when you first meet her. Also, I am pretty sure saying no makes you defiant towards her? She can't even make you kneel? And pressing the top symbol is stopping her from controlling you completely, unless I am misunderstanding?

Idk if theres other variables, as said i went through the exact same set of choices in both runs as closely as i could, except on the one where I can deny her biting the finger, and not have the mind-palace scene with the top symbol, was on the run I clicked "Yes" on. The run where I clicked "No", it puts me in a submission loop where I have no denying of her bite, or no symbol to prevent the mind palace. I get forced to kiss her feet instead.

The only thing I can think of possibly to avoid it is if I avoided structured choices the entire route for the most part (which is alot of Ela's best options) and maybe then I would potentially get the not submissive option, since it seems structured is tied to the submissive aspect. Would have to restart entirely to find out, but its still weird that just that one choice gave me that big of a difference in options, including the "humanity" button when I ONLY went on the "Yes" route. Feel like it should have also been present on the "No" route too, but it wasn't.

 

[Ragnar]

Not bad but sex scenes need some work, make it longer with more angles/positions.

 

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[tristan0000]

For only the second update, there's quite a lot of content, and the overall quality of the story, writing, renders, etc. is super solid. Easily a top 20 on this website imo.

Thank FUCK that the whole hooligan way of speaking of MC and Brian from the start of the game slowly decreases because it's cringe to no end. I get wanting to make them sound like street kids who had it rough and what not, but truthfully it's just... bad ? cringe ? unrealistic ? your pick. As I said though, it's diluted down eventually so you can look over it.

This game truly needs a proper walkthrough with paths explained though, some of the choices are a bit counter intuitive, and I just wanna be able to have multiple playthroughs to see all the possible paths and branches, and just be like "okay, this is my power hungry playthrough, here's the option I need to pick". Right now you end up saving and reloading a ton just to see if you're still on the path you wanna explore, and that's just annoying.

I also hope we'll get some lore explanation as to why some of the characters behave the way they do. Because when the dev note litteraly says " But instead of a fuckfest where everyone humps like animals" and your prospective adoptive mother is horny at first sight and touches your dick not 3 minutes of meeting you... Yeah, for a game that strives for a proper story and some semblance of coherence in the world its trying to build, I hope there's some proper explanation for that kinda behavior, otherwise it takes me out of it a lot.

All in all still enjoyable, easily a 4.5/5 review so far from me just from the potential it has alone. Looking forward to next release.

 

[SGrimmer]

Played what's out so far, this is great. Good work, has enormous potential.

 

[Joratox]

I keep reading posts/ratings and people keep talking about unavoidable femdom and that the point system has no consequences. You need to read things a bit more carefully and if that is not enough, check the walkthrough posted for the first release in the OP. Femdom is totally avoidable and is only present on the submissive path. There are defiant and subversive paths (no femdom there), pretty self explanatory to me, but maybe I just spent more time actually reading the story instead of skipping to get to the sex. For the other scenes you can also take charge or give away the lead, depending on what you like.
Eispeth and the sexual interactions with her are not reliant on your personality (the structured/rebel and wholesome/savage), but on how you interact with her, which leads to her 3 paths mentioned by me before.
The structured/rebel and wholesome/savage personality traits will change how you interact with the story, instead of the sex scenes (think of it like the paragon/renegade from Mass Effect).
At least this is how I've understood the game so far and I gotta say I had the intended results for me, by using this approach.

My MC acted the way I expected him to act for the choices I've made, dunno what more I can say. My main playthrough was centered around being rebel/wholesome and I wasn't disappointed. I've also did a secondary save with structured/savage personality and that one felt very different, but still in the way I would expect it to go given the choices I've made.
I think there are some overlaps and confusing acts, if you don't have a clearly defined path (you have more or less the same points spread around the 4 attributes, which would be the "neutral" path). I thing this is where people get a bit tangled and the dev should address it better in the future.

The slang used in the scenes with Brian, while it is kinda cringe, it is pretty much a real thing. Not all "brits" are posh and cultured and speak perfect English. I've visited Manchester a few times and I've personally witnessed this kind of talk there in some pubs. I would like to see it toned down a bit, since it's not really my preference, but I'm just seeing it as an artistic choice from the author.

I would also like to see less freeroam scenes, not because I dislike them that much, but because they waste a lot of time if you want to replay the game with different choices. Please ditch a few of them, some are unnecessary, or at least don't add so many in the future.

 

[Ragnar]

I keep reading posts/ratings and people keep talking about unavoidable femdom and that the point system has no consequences. You need to read things a bit more carefully and if that is not enough, check the walkthrough posted for the first release in the OP. Femdom is totally avoidable and is only present on the submissive path. There are defiant and subversive paths (no femdom there), pretty self explanatory to me, but maybe I just spent more time actually reading the story instead of skipping to get to the sex. For the other scenes you can also take charge or give away the lead, depending on what you like.
Eispeth and the sexual interactions with her are not reliant on your personality (the structured/rebel and wholesome/savage), but on how you interact with her, which leads to her 3 paths mentioned by me before.
The structured/rebel and wholesome/savage personality traits will change how you interact with the story, instead of the sex scenes (think of it like the paragon/renegade from Mass Effect).
At least this is how I've understood the game so far and I gotta say I had the intended results for me, by using this approach.

My MC acted the way I expected him to act for the choices I've made, dunno what more I can say. My main playthrough was centered around being rebel/wholesome and I wasn't disappointed. I've also did a secondary save with structured/savage personality and that one felt very different, but still in the way I would expect it to go given the choices I've made.
I think there are some overlaps and confusing acts, if you don't have a clearly defined path (you have more or less the same points spread around the 4 attributes, which would be the "neutral" path). I thing this is where people get a bit tangled and the dev should address it better in the future.

The slang used in the scenes with Brian, while it is kinda cringe, it is pretty much a real thing. Not all "brits" are posh and cultured and speak perfect English. I've visited Manchester a few times and I've personally witnessed this kind of talk there in some pubs. I would like to see it toned down a bit, since it's not really my preference, but I'm just seeing it as an artistic choice from the author.

I would also like to see less freeroam scenes, not because I dislike them that much, but because they waste a lot of time if you want to replay the game with different choices. Please ditch a few of them, some are unnecessary, or at least don't add so many in the future.

If players are getting femdom while trying to avoid it maybe the aligment system is too complicated for players without walkthroughs. Paragon/Renegade works on ME and many other games because is not complicated. I'm not against more roleplaying options in games but you have to be careful if those options lead to important content variations. Like if you're not wholesome enough you lost Ella content but if you're not rebel enough you lost Belladona content.

 

[Uzhirian]

It's quite confusing how the queen tells you to submit, you deny her and retain your humanity but become submissive in the same vein
but if you embrace your nature instead, and basically agree with her, you become dominant and also have the ability to shut her down and push her out in so many ways.

Just finished the new update, and can tell you for sure, no femdom on the deny her path (hope path). You can tell her to fuck off, provided you do the relatively simple act of sticking to your choice throughout the story. ie, keep denying or use the icon thing in the corner (cant remember what the game named it now) when needed.

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[Ricthequick]

If players are getting femdom while trying to avoid it maybe the aligment system is too complicated for players without walkthroughs. Paragon/Renegade works on ME and many other games because is not complicated. I'm not against more roleplaying options in games but you have to be careful if those options lead to important content variations. Like if you're not wholesome enough you lost Ella content but if you're not rebel enough you lost Belladona content.

I have a feeling (might be wrong) that some players complaining about forced femdom either:

1. Miss the signs and pick the wrong choices (is not just 1 single choice femdom or not).
2. In reality are against any female character having a strong attitude (that in some cases might actually lead to femdom) and playig a central role in a story.

For 1 simply pay attention to the choices, others have highlighted how to avoid getting femdom scenes.
For 2... well not much can be done, if a player equates "powerful female character" in a setting to femdom, there's not much that can be done, besides ignore and move elsewhere.

Eisheth atm is by far the strongest being in the setting, is not even close, the MC is a noob, only now made aware of what he actually is, pretty much everyone around him (until the very end of this update) knows more.

That's the very premise of this AVN, and if I had to guess the whole point for the AVN to exist, a strong vampire unaware of who he is, who slowly realizes it and acts accordingly, maybe some would prefer a male character in place of Eisheth, but I doubt it would go down better.

 

[kurosx]

If players are getting femdom while trying to avoid it maybe the aligment system is too complicated for players without walkthroughs.

I don't think so. I didn't have any femdom scenes, and I'm playing (as always) without a walkthrough, just using common sense.

 

[Ragnar]

I don't think so. I didn't have any femdom scenes, and I'm playing (as always) without a walkthrough, just using common sense.

I play without any type of walkthrough or tips too and so far I have avoided femdom too but others are complaining.

I have a feeling (might be wrong) that some players complaining about forced femdom either:

1. Miss the signs and pick the wrong choices (is not just 1 single choice femdom or not).
2. In reality are against any female character having a strong attitude (that in some cases might actually lead to femdom) and playig a central role in a story.

For 1 simply pay attention to the choices, others have highlighted how to avoid getting femdom scenes.
For 2... well not much can be done, if a player equates "powerful female character" in a setting to femdom, there's not much that can be done, besides ignore and move elsewhere.

Eisheth atm is by far the strongest being in the setting, is not even close, the MC is a noob, only now made aware of what he actually is, pretty much everyone around him (until the very end of this update) knows more.

That's the very premise of this AVN, and if I had to guess the whole point for the AVN to exist, a strong vampire unaware of who he is, who slowly realizes it and acts accordingly, maybe some would prefer a male character in place of Eisheth, but I doubt it would go down better.

My point was that is better not to overcomplicate things with points or alignments in a Harem game.
You can be right tho, Harem tend to attract a special kind of players. Very sensitive people about lesbian scenes, voyeurism and so on.
So maybe Belladona or Eisheth attitude is enough to trigger in them the fear of femdom