RPGM Completed Henteria Chronicles Ch. 2 : The Law of the Tribe [Update 16] [N_taii]

[baneini]

Needs a skip intro button. Holy fuck.

 

[JLZ111]

how do you even COMPLETE the freaking puzzel where you block of all escape through of thAT fuking cat. Even if i cornered it I CAN EVEN ENTER. if i enter ONE ESCAPE THROUGH OPENS UP LIKE WTF!!. I WOULD NOT RATHER GET THE FOOD BACK IF I HAVE TO GO ALL THROUGH THIS SHIT.

Try to trap it at the bottom you will figure it out. no worries

 

[N_taii]

Do you have any rough ideas about how many updates it will take till game completion?

Good question. Counting the endings and the remaining story left, probably above 5? I'm not too sure.

 

[N_taii]

I have to say I'm liking it more than Chapter 1, which was already a nice surprise. In terms of story it's really well done, so much context is given for the characters and the world. My favorite type of ntr build up is when I almost forget I'm in a ntr game for a while, just enjoying the characters. It happened here, especially with the mom. During the intro seeing her living her cute family life, I couldn't wait to see where it would be going...

Thanks for the comment! : ) Making the game diversified is also a way to keep the writing and plot building fun for me, instead of having just a few characters with a single storyline.

how do you even COMPLETE the freaking puzzel where you block of all escape through of thAT fuking cat. Even if i cornered it I CAN EVEN ENTER. if i enter ONE ESCAPE THROUGH OPENS UP LIKE WTF!!. I WOULD NOT RATHER GET THE FOOD BACK IF I HAVE TO GO ALL THROUGH THIS SHIT.

hum, hi! There is a complete walkthrough in the game files, in case you're stuck somewhere. I've also started to implement skip options for the more complicated gameplay parts coming in more recent updates (there aren't that much after the carbuncle puzzle).

Needs a skip intro button. Holy fuck.

Skipping the intro would mean that you might not understand what I have in store for the rest of the story. If you've already seen it once, there is a save folder with saves that will take you to either the sex scenes, or the beginning of each updates, so you won't have to go through the same things with every new update (old saves work as well).

 

[JoeSte91]

Well, if you expect the MC to somehow get involved, I'm afraid it won't happen anytime soon. The whole concept of the game is to have a really passive MC while the NTR is going on behind his back. I feel like that when the olbivious Mc is present in the scene, it enhances the game's NTR, which is why in a lot of scenes he is just "standing there", without understanding what's going on.

Except NTR is generally about something that someone has or wants being stolen from them, but if the MC is a silent protagonist who just follows orders it's difficult to get a sense of what he really wants. There's passive or voyeuristic, but it's hard to get something stolen from you if you're just a piece of furniture in a room.

Needs a skip intro button. Holy fuck.

Press CTRL

 

[N_taii]

Except NTR is generally about something that someone has or wants being stolen from them, but if the MC is a silent protagonist who just follows orders it's difficult to get a sense of what he really wants. There's passive or voyeuristic, but it's hard to get something stolen from you if you're just a piece of furniture in a room.

That is one way to look at it, indeed. However, there are different kind of players who enjoy different things about NTR, and thus people tend to change their point of view based on what they enjoy. Some enjoy the maledom elements of NTR, without being particularly fond of some of the more "heartbreaking" elements of NTR, like the whole "spouse or lover being stolen away, and will thus shift their point of view to the antagonist, or will avoid identifying with the MC. Thus, being less invested in the MC will allow them to shift their point of view more easily, as the MC hasn't got much of a personality himself. For those who enjoy the feeling of jealousy and loss of NTR, they will create a personality for the MC based on the few elements present in the game. Well, that's my opinion at least^^

Press CTRL

Actually, CTRL won't work in the intro. I made it so the text would more or less fit the music.

 

[JoeSte91]

That is one way to look at it, indeed. However, there are different kind of players who enjoy different things about NTR, and thus people tend to change their point of view based on what they enjoy. Some enjoy the maledom elements of NTR, without being particularly fond of some of the more "heartbreaking" elements of NTR, like the whole "spouse or lover being stolen away, and will thus shift their point of view to the antagonist, or will avoid identifying with the MC. Thus, being less invested in the MC will allow them to shift their point of view more easily, as the MC hasn't got much of a personality himself. For those who enjoy the feeling of jealousy and loss of NTR, they will create a personality for the MC based on the few elements present in the game. Well, that's my opinion at least^^

I understand, I just think you're trying to NTR the player rather than the character. But that relies heavily on the player being able to invest themselves in place of the character. I don't necessarily mean it as a criticism either, just that it's not a flat gain. By taking the broad appeal of a blank slate silent protagonist, you're also losing some of emotion of NTR, because the character seems to have no desire of his own.

Maybe I just had difficulty shifting my view point with the povs, but it mostly felt like I was voyeur on the whole town, like a distant, objective deity looking down on the situation, rather than being involved and having anything taken or stolen.

 

[Surav]

I just finished the game and it's great, I love the diferent characters setups and how you are indirectly involved in their fall, It causes a mix of emotions in every scene we don't have in most games. I will take my time playing the other games by this dev.
The only thing I though it could be better is the lack of some events, in most of the game you got to chose if you want to see the scenes or not, but some of them where just skipped, those are:
- Celis and Edwyr cuni duel (part 2?), what happened in the room and in the toilet
- How Aywin convinced Zeno to let Celis join Noah and Edwyr
- Solana virginity lost

That aside good game so far, excellent work.

 

[N_taii]

I understand, I just think you're trying to NTR the player rather than the character. But that relies heavily on the player being able to invest themselves in place of the character. I don't necessarily mean it as a criticism either, just that it's not a flat gain. By taking the broad appeal of a blank slate silent protagonist, you're also losing some of emotion of NTR, because the character seems to have no desire of his own.

Maybe I just had difficulty shifting my view point with the povs, but it mostly felt like I was voyeur on the whole town, like a distant, objective deity looking down on the situation, rather than being involved and having anything taken or stolen.

That's also completely right. I guess it's all up to the player and how they envision NTR. Some would rather have a full-fledged personality for every character, while some wopuld rather things to be left up to imagination, and fill the blanks with what they prefer. For me, I've taken the decision to give more freedom to the players by purposefully leaving some of the elements pretty vague (I swear, officer, it's not a made-up excuse to justify my laziness!^^). No but seriously, it is actually a design choice, but not everyone might agree with it : )

I just finished the game and it's great, I love the diferent characters setups and how you are indirectly involved in their fall, It causes a mix of emotions in every scene we don't have in most games. I will take my time playing the other games by this dev.
The only thing I though it could be better is the lack of some events, in most of the game you got to chose if you want to see the scenes or not, but some of them where just skipped, those are:
- Celis and Edwyr cuni duel (part 2?), what happened in the room and in the toilet
- How Aywin convinced Zeno to let Celis join Noah and Edwyr
- Solana virginity lost

That aside good game so far, excellent work.

First of all, thank you for the support : )

Yes, I thought I'd leave some "forced" elements of mystery in some of the scenes. To be honest, most of those I thought they would be either redundant, or they weren't planned in the beginning, and I still decided to add a little something like moans, cum in the hair...
For most of them, I tried to make sure the player wouldn't be left wondering exactly what happened (for example, you know Celis is probably being fondled in the bathroom, or that Aywin surely went with a boob/blow/handjob to convince Zeno). Since they weren't extremely important, and that I wanted to dedicate my time to other, more important scenes, I decided to "skip" them while just leaving hints.

As for Solana, it is actually an extra-scene. Some players have argued that it was too important to be put as an extra-scene, and after some thinking, I've come to the same conclusion. Although I won't change it now, I've tried my best to put H scenes that weren't so important as extra-scene after that.

Thanks for the comment! : )

 

[hydro13]

Not really a fan of skipping over the scene of Aywin convincing Zeno. Aywin doesn't have as much scenes as Celis and Solana. Plus milf/mom ntr is best ntr. So hopefully we get more Aywin in the next update since it looks like her and Zeno have been busy while the kids were away.

 

[Deleted member 361485]

By taking the broad appeal of a blank slate silent protagonist, you're also losing some of emotion of NTR, because the character seems to have no desire of his own.

Maybe I just had difficulty shifting my view point with the povs, but it mostly felt like I was voyeur on the whole town, like a distant, objective deity looking down on the situation, rather than being involved and having anything taken or stolen.

I enjoy this game, and am happy for any dedicated NTR developers - but I totally agree with this sentiment. The MC could be a 8 year old boy as far as sex goes. I can insert myself a bit, so that if the mom is getting fucked, and I want to fuck the mom, there is a NTR feeling there, but I can't help but think it'd be better if the MC acted like he'd had his first boner

Another positive (I don't like critiquing free products lol) is the mystery NTR elements included, I talk to other NTR fans (this thread) and it seems ALOT of us really like this and this game services that aspect well.

 

[Surav]

That's also completely right. I guess it's all up to the player and how they envision NTR. Some would rather have a full-fledged personality for every character, while some wopuld rather things to be left up to imagination, and fill the blanks with what they prefer. For me, I've taken the decision to give more freedom to the players by purposefully leaving some of the elements pretty vague (I swear, officer, it's not a made-up excuse to justify my laziness!^^). No but seriously, it is actually a design choice, but not everyone might agree with it : )


First of all, thank you for the support : )

Yes, I thought I'd leave some "forced" elements of mystery in some of the scenes. To be honest, most of those I thought they would be either redundant, or they weren't planned in the beginning, and I still decided to add a little something like moans, cum in the hair...
For most of them, I tried to make sure the player wouldn't be left wondering exactly what happened (for example, you know Celis is probably being fondled in the bathroom, or that Aywin surely went with a boob/blow/handjob to convince Zeno). Since they weren't extremely important, and that I wanted to dedicate my time to other, more important scenes, I decided to "skip" them while just leaving hints.

As for Solana, it is actually an extra-scene. Some players have argued that it was too important to be put as an extra-scene, and after some thinking, I've come to the same conclusion. Although I won't change it now, I've tried my best to put H scenes that weren't so important as extra-scene after that.

Thanks for the comment! : )

Now that you mentioned it really make sense in a development perspective since it would save some time, it is just my personal wish to see Aywin trying to please Zeno while he demands for her to be more assertive if she wants him to give in. But if it helps your work I understand.

Good thing about the Solana scene, I'll look foward to it.

And you deserve the support, thanks for the great game ^^

 

[Hentaiweeb]

Great game! I hope to see more new updates and maybe both story NTR and non-NTR branch or both at the same time beside just endings. I definitely hope to see henteria chronicles Chp.2 go for an open world expansion.

 

[N_taii]

Not really a fan of skipping over the scene of Aywin convincing Zeno. Aywin doesn't have as much scenes as Celis and Solana. Plus milf/mom ntr is best ntr. So hopefully we get more Aywin in the next update since it looks like her and Zeno have been busy while the kids were away.

Yes, sorry about that^^ I have explained my reasons in my post above yours, but I guess if you prefer Aywin then you will want to see more content with her. There are more scenes with her in the following updates, don't worry, although I also have to give some attention to other characters as well : )

I enjoy this game, and am happy for any dedicated NTR developers - but I totally agree with this sentiment. The MC could be a 8 year old boy as far as sex goes. I can insert myself a bit, so that if the mom is getting fucked, and I want to fuck the mom, there is a NTR feeling there, but I can't help but think it'd be better if the MC acted like he'd had his first boner

Another positive (I don't like critiquing free products lol) is the mystery NTR elements included, I talk to other NTR fans (this thread) and it seems ALOT of us really like this and this game services that aspect well.

Yes, there seems to be a lot of reasons as to why people enjoy NTR. I personally enjoy the maledom action from an outsider perspective, and others prefer different perspectives. That's why I chose to give the player more freedom in my game. If I were to focus on fetishes I don't necessarily understand that well, I could very well end up botching up the writing even if I tried my hardest, and it wouldn't be enjoyable for anyone in the end.
Also for the mystery elements, that is something I enjoy a lot as well. Moans, shadows, bed creaking sounds, etc..., I find it all extremely erotic.

Now that you mentioned it really make sense in a development perspective since it would save some time, it is just my personal wish to see Aywin trying to please Zeno while he demands for her to be more assertive if she wants him to give in. But if it helps your work I understand.

Good thing about the Solana scene, I'll look foward to it.

And you deserve the support, thanks for the great game ^^

Oh, to avoid any misunderstanding, the Solana scene will stay for the 20$+ tier Patrons until the end of the game. However, I have and will try my best so that no story-heavy scenes make it into the extra-scenes anymore. I now mainly use scenes with different fetishes but close to no impact on the story (there is a list in the save files folder within the game files, if you don't mind some spoilers).

Great game! I hope to see more new updates and maybe both story NTR and non-NTR branch or both at the same time beside just endings. I definitely hope to see henteria chronicles Chp.2 go for an open world expansion.

I'm afraid that would require a little too much work for the little one man team that I am, I'm sorry^^ However, as I keep growing and making new games, we might see new features added. Still, for the time being, I will stick to the current game format (NTR storyline with varying endings) because aiming too big too fast is the best way to disappoint both players and the developer : )

 

[hydro13]

Yes, sorry about that^^ I have explained my reasons in my post above yours, but I guess if you prefer Aywin then you will want to see more content with her. There are more scenes with her in the following updates, don't worry, although I also have to give some attention to other characters as well : )

All good

I'm afraid that would require a little too much work for the little one man team that I am, I'm sorry^^ However, as I keep growing and making new games, we might see new features added. Still, for the time being, I will stick to the current game format (NTR storyline with varying endings) because aiming too big too fast is the best way to disappoint both players and the developer : )

Hopefully the endings will allow for proper revenge and undoing Zeno's plans in one of them. Ch1 was solid but letting the demons go was a bit of a downer. But overall really enjoy the games you make and you carry on the legacy of NTRpg well.

 

[Hentaiweeb]

Yes, sorry about that^^ I have explained my reasons in my post above yours, but I guess if you prefer Aywin then you will want to see more content with her. There are more scenes with her in the following updates, don't worry, although I also have to give some attention to other characters as well : )


Yes, there seems to be a lot of reasons as to why people enjoy NTR. I personally enjoy the maledom action from an outsider perspective, and others prefer different perspectives. That's why I chose to give the player more freedom in my game. If I were to focus on fetishes I don't necessarily understand that well, I could very well end up botching up the writing even if I tried my hardest, and it wouldn't be enjoyable for anyone in the end.
Also for the mystery elements, that is something I enjoy a lot as well. Moans, shadows, bed creaking sounds, etc..., I find it all extremely erotic.


Oh, to avoid any misunderstanding, the Solana scene will stay for the 20$+ tier Patrons until the end of the game. However, I have and will try my best so that no story-heavy scenes make it into the extra-scenes anymore. I now mainly use scenes with different fetishes but close to no impact on the story (there is a list in the save files folder within the game files, if you don't mind some spoilers).


I'm afraid that would require a little too much work for the little one man team that I am, I'm sorry^^ However, as I keep growing and making new games, we might see new features added. Still, for the time being, I will stick to the current game format (NTR storyline with varying endings) because aiming too big too fast is the best way to disappoint both players and the developer : )

Okay, I understand. But Henteria Chronicle: chp.2 almost look like an open world. It's pretty amazing! Maybe someday you N_tail can try or at least think about making henteria chronicles an open world game. But nevertheless Henteria chronicles it still a beautiful game.

 

[Bgibbs666]

I'm definitely glad you included the walkthrough, this game works fine on my phone using the joiplay app with the exception of the quest Journal, nothing you can do about I just want to say thanks for that bit of helpfulness. I'm still in the demo portion because I had to exit the game to use the walkthrough to figure out how to finish the mapmaking quest.

 

[rdantas]

One of best RPGMaker titles of the genre, even comparing to the eastern ones.

I just wish some sex scenes were a bit longer.

Keep up the great work!

 

[sfoMMA85]

Hey N_Taii,
great game so far! A lot of things are fantastic, most of them have been discussed here! So there is not much to talk about. Therefor, in order to make this game maybe even better I want to share some high-level criticism. Because we know the strengths of things that are good, but we do not always know the weaknesses, especially when you are with the head in the game i will go ahead on the basis of other comments here.

Not really a fan of skipping over the scene of Aywin convincing Zeno. Aywin doesn't have as much scenes as Celis and Solana. Plus milf/mom ntr is best ntr. So hopefully we get more Aywin in the next update since it looks like her and Zeno have been busy while the kids were away.

Yes, I thought I'd leave some "forced" elements of mystery in some of the scenes. To be honest, most of those I thought they would be either redundant, or they weren't planned in the beginning, and I still decided to add a little something like moans, cum in the hair...

I personally am not a fan of the skipping either. There are already too few scenes with Aywin and to few scenes in general. This feels a bit rushed. I think that a good build up is most important in this genre and leaving the details that set up the corruption behind does not feel right. I mean I understand that you want to add some mystery details and I am totally fine with that, but maybe that should not happen with such important events? Maybe you could add more free roaming-events where you leave some trails of mystery behind?

My favorite type of ntr build up is when I almost forget I'm in a ntr game for a while, just enjoying the characters. It happened here, especially with the mom. During the intro seeing her living her cute family life, I couldn't wait to see where it would be going.

I completly agree with Charamiwao. I think it is one of the big strengths of this game - the set up/build up and character progression. The whole corruption process is done so nicely overall. But for me the details begin to lack more and more. Especially with Aywin (this seems to be mentioned a lot by your community). Her character gets pointed out so thoroughly in the beginning and then you can just witness one scene of each next act (HJ, BJ, Sex,...). I mean its great not to be blueballed, but still there can be action without sex. Like with Solana (a side character by the way) or Celis. Both enjoy a lot of foreplay, so to say, underlining the corruption process. I really wish there would be more of such scenes with Aywin in the game. Also; in contrast to Celis, who may be naive, I feel like Awin would not be that easy to get for Zeno. But because her progress is shown so fast it feels like she does not even resist a bit - even less then Celis actually does resist. I am a bit disappointed with her story and scenes, after the great and promising start.

In general sometimes I feel like there is too less resistance. It is almost too easy for the bad boys make it a bit harder for them in a way, then the corruption process feels more realistic and the scenes become more rewarding. EFor example, when the boys touch them or cop a feel, let the ladies not always be totally fine with this. Let them get a bit upset! Over the process of corruption they become more and more accustomed with this up to the point when they start to actually like it. But it feels just too simple atm.

I just wish some sex scenes were a bit longer.

Totally my point of view.
--> More and longer sexual scenes (not only sex but groping etc.)! In my opinion this is at this point much more important/relevant then story progression! So rather polish the last updates and fill some of the gaps.

Needs a skip intro button.

Would it be so complicated to add a skip button just for the intro for impatient folks? also I feel like you need to implement the gallery earlier. It is so inconvenient with the save files. Really exhausting actually. Kills the fun a bit. Especially when you start to play new updates and want to see some scenes from before.

Except NTR is generally about something that someone has or wants being stolen from them, but if the MC is a silent protagonist who just follows orders it's difficult to get a sense of what he really wants. There's passive or voyeuristic, but it's hard to get something stolen from you if you're just a piece of furniture in a room.

That is one way to look at it, indeed. However, there are different kind of players who enjoy different things about NTR, and thus people tend to change their point of view based on what they enjoy. Some enjoy the maledom elements of NTR, without being particularly fond of some of the more "heartbreaking" elements of NTR, like the whole "spouse or lover being stolen away, and will thus shift their point of view to the antagonist, or will avoid identifying with the MC.

Also would appreciate it, if Celis and the MC would get a little closer then how it is. Same goes for Solana and the shy guy, whose name I forgot. Does not have to be spouse, but a bit more would be cool and also a bit different to HC1. The character relations feel a bit too similar. But that of course is also a personal preference.

I'm afraid that would require a little too much work for the little one man team that I am, I'm sorry^^

Well your community grew quite a lot, huh? Maybe your team could grow as well. In one way or another

Nevertheless - the game is great!! Thanks a lot for all the effort and I hope you can keep up with the high bar you set for yourself the thing is - in HC2 are, in comparison to HC1, many more characters, each with a much bigger backstory. If you want to stick to this level of detail, the development of this game will likely take twice the time it took for HC1 - regarding to:

Do you have any rough ideas about how many updates it will take till game completion?

Counting the endings and the remaining story left, probably above 5? I'm not too sure.

Well maybe you work a bit faster now, due to your experience... but still. For me it is more important that you stick to the premise of this game and keep the level of detail for which this game is so well known, even if this means that the game might only be finished after 10 updates. Rather this, then just going for 5 or 6 more updates and an unsatisfying and fragmentary/gappy lategame and ending.
The potential of this game is huge, but there is a lot of work to do to stay on that path. But when I know one dev who is really committed and who even got me to write something here and who I think can deliver this all, then it is you N_Taii. So stay true to yourself, pick up the good calls of your community fellows - there are a lot of good ideas around - and do not hurry too much with finishing this game. Honestly - it felt a little like that in the last updates, for me, at least.

 

[zuzuzuzu]

Update 4 is exactly what I've been wanting. What I've most lamented in this game is that it doesn't revolve around Edwyr & Zeno exclusively. For me, NTR is about living vicariously through the antagonist - naturally, more antagonists dilutes that fantasy.

That's not to mention that your world building and plot development are really excellent. The whole Forest Elves plot line comes together so well.