RPGM Completed Henteria Chronicles Ch. 2 : The Law of the Tribe [Update 16] [N_taii]

[N_taii]

My apologies to everyone for the (very) late answers, I've had to put a lot of time in the game recently, and I've been focusing on that.

Hopefully the endings will allow for proper revenge and undoing Zeno's plans in one of them. Ch1 was solid but letting the demons go was a bit of a downer. But overall really enjoy the games you make and you carry on the legacy of NTRpg well.

There should be something a little more satisfying for you, if you're more into vengeance ending.

Okay, I understand. But Henteria Chronicle: chp.2 almost look like an open world. It's pretty amazing! Maybe someday you N_tail can try or at least think about making henteria chronicles an open world game. But nevertheless Henteria chronicles it still a beautiful game.

Quite frankly, that was the initial plan, but I realized I should take it step by step before undertaking such a big endeavour. The way it is now, HC1&2 benefit more from having a smaller world with fewer characters, and a few extra-stories here and there like for Update 4 and (spoilers) Update 5 that expand on the already existing game world.

 

[N_taii]

I'm definitely glad you included the walkthrough, this game works fine on my phone using the joiplay app with the exception of the quest Journal, nothing you can do about I just want to say thanks for that bit of helpfulness. I'm still in the demo portion because I had to exit the game to use the walkthrough to figure out how to finish the mapmaking quest.

Have you thought about opening the walkthrough on another device to read while you play? Since it is a PDF file, it should be easy to do so. anyway, glad you found some use to the walkthrough, because it kinda takes time to write^^

One of best RPGMaker titles of the genre, even comparing to the eastern ones.

I just wish some sex scenes were a bit longer.

Keep up the great work!

Thanks! that's quite a huge compliment considering the number of talented devs using RPGMaker. I've already had someone asking me for longer scenes, but smaller scenes allow me to develop more scenes within a single update. Personally, I've always felt that the difference between a forgettable and a memorable game can lie in a few details in a particular sex scene. That is why I've decided to create slightly shorter scene in order was to add more different situations and different fetishes.

Hey N_Taii,
great game so far! A lot of things are fantastic, most of them have been discussed here! So there is not much to talk about. Therefor, in order to make this game maybe even better I want to share some high-level criticism. Because we know the strengths of things that are good, but we do not always know the weaknesses, especially when you are with the head in the game i will go ahead on the basis of other comments here.

Thanks for the detailed feedback! I'd like to adress this more in details when I have more time, so I'll answer a bit later! Thanks again : )

Edit: Okay, so I went and wrote one long text to answer everything, and my browser decided to refresh the page right at the end. 30 minutes of text lost : ( So I'm going to keep it short and skip some of your points this time, I'm very sorry.

-About the skipped scenes, it wasn't only for the msytery, but also so I could focus on more important scenes. Besides, those weren't meant to be in-game at first, but I decided it would be hotter to add some small details that something was or had happened. So in the end, I didn't really skip any content, just added more^^

-for the shorter sex scene, I have answered one post above. I guess some of it is also due to my lack of imagination. every time I write a sex scene past a certain point, I always feel like it becomes redundant and uninteresting. So I'd rather aim for smaller scene, with which I'm more comfortable, to let my imagination run wild and create scenes and situations I find interesting, with less dialogue, but more variations (different kind of dirty talk based on the situation, etc...).

-Well, I already have several people comissioned for different things (portraits, pixel art, some of the background moans, etc...), so I'd say it is already quite sizeable for what I'm doing^^ Still, I live in one of the most expensive country of the world, so I'm also unsing part of the income for myself^^

-Last but not least, I don't intend on rushing the game or trying to finish it within a certain amount of updates. It'll take as many updates as I feel like are needed to finish and polish it they way I want : )

Again, sorry I skipped over certain remarks. But be sure I've read them all! : )

 

[changeling]

What I've most lamented in this game is that it doesn't revolve around Edwyr & Zeno exclusively. For me, NTR is about living vicariously through the antagonist - naturally, more antagonists dilutes that fantasy.

Maybe you're confusing Netorare for Netori. Fits more by your description.

In Henteria Chronicles 2 we can see a lot throug Edwyr and Zeno eyes, as Zeno being more of a complex character, and Edwyr is a shell for all Zeno hate and frustration.

 

[N_taii]

Update 4 is exactly what I've been wanting. What I've most lamented in this game is that it doesn't revolve around Edwyr & Zeno exclusively. For me, NTR is about living vicariously through the antagonist - naturally, more antagonists dilutes that fantasy.

That's not to mention that your world building and plot development are really excellent. The whole Forest Elves plot line comes together so well.

Well, maybe you're going to like the next Update slightly less. Although some of the focus remain on the two main antagonists, it will be slightly different than what we've seen so far. Not completely different, but we'll see new characters being introduced once again for a time, like with the forest elves story arc.

Maybe you're confusing Netorare for Netori. Fits more by your description.

In Henteria Chronicles 2 we can see a lot throug Edwyr and Zeno eyes, as Zeno being more of a complex character, and Edwyr is a shell for all Zeno hate and frustration.

I think he meant having the focus shift over different antagonists with all the side quests etc...made the player care less about the main antagonists, thus care less about the main NTR plot? That's what I understood.

 

[Miss Y]

What I've most lamented in this game is that it doesn't revolve around Edwyr & Zeno exclusively. For me, NTR is about living vicariously through the antagonist - naturally, more antagonists dilutes that fantasy.

It's funny how many different flavors there are of this genre, because after just playing up to the end of Update 3 for the first time this week... I find myself wishing the exact opposite: that as the story progresses, Aywin's storyline will find some way to branch out so that it can include other male characters (and hopefully at least one proper gangbang at some point...)

I guess I'm far more invested on her overall corruption than I am specifically on Zeno as a character. Of course that's not to say that I'm bored with him or anything like that- I'm very much enjoying him as the antagonist, but I honestly don't think I'm attached to him in quite the same way as you.

 

[sfoMMA85]

I guess some of it is also due to my lack of imagination. every time I write a sex scene past a certain point, I always feel like it becomes redundant and uninteresting.

I think I understand your struggle - as a dev you are also very much into the game and each scene and thats making it hard to stay objective and to obtain a players view/a view from outside. But you should not worry about showing a similar or redundant scene. For example, even though you show a lot of groping scenes with Celis, I do not want to miss them with Aywin. And even though you feel like such scenes would be set up in the same way I feel like there can be a lot of differences because of the different characters playing a part in it or the different environments in which the scenes happen - even though it is roughly the same process. You say that you feel like you want to diversify all the scenes you got, so that not one scene is like another scene. But I would suggest that it is much more important to make subtile differences then making up something competely new every time again. Realism sometimes is also given through repetitiveness I think. Delivering something completly new every time again goes over the board and is not even necessary. Rather be creative in the details, with the characters - how different they go through similar corruption mechanics, because in the end, even though there is some creative potential, corruption and domination always follows a certain path. And then maybe you also do not make up such a workload for yourself. It is a lot of pressure when you always tell youself you need to be super-creative and everything needs to be completly new. Rather make small creative decisions and changes, a lot of people even search for absoultely the same processes and story plots just in a new dress - so to say. I guess that's also why nostalgia is such a thing...

That goes a bit along with my critique concerning the corruption progress with Aywin, that you rather go slower steps then directly jumping from on step to the next - like HJ, then BJ, and then already Sex. For me that would be too fast especially for corruptiongames. Corruption is a very slow, subtile process, because too big changes and steps forward tend to make people afraid. So a realistic corruption always takes some time and a lot of subtile manipulation with small steps forward, like making Celis swallowing after a BJ, or getting her used to beeing groped, by repeating the same process over some time and each time going a little bit further. And you can still implement a lot of differences even with exactly the same goal of the scene by using different surrondings, characters or situations that appear etc. So for example lets take a groping scene featuring Aywin. Zeno could grope her in her house in the hallway, at this point she is still not ok and used with him groping her and struggles in her mind with it, but can not do a thing because noah is standing in front and talking with them and she does not want him to realize what happens. Then later on, Aywin is outside of the house making the laundry and zeno comes over groping her again. This time, because nobody is around, aywin starts to resist a bit and gets angry for example. Zeno then tells her that now that nobody is around she has a problem with it, when before she was enjoying it in the hallway. So even though you got exactly the same thing going on in each scene - "groping Aywin" - the scenes themself are actually very different and diverse in detail. Or if we take different characters: they would react differently depending on who they are. Celis is shy and naive, while Aywin would be strongwilled alone, but has problems in society due to her social position and because she is older and more into social norms. And Zeno and Edwyr could make use of this knowledge concerning their corruption strategies.

More and longer sexual scenes (not only sex but groping etc.)! In my opinion this is at this point much more important/relevant then story progression! So rather polish the last updates and fill some of the gaps.

Personally, I've always felt that the difference between a forgettable and a memorable game can lie in a few details in a particular sex scene. That is why I've decided to create slightly shorter scene in order was to add more different situations and different fetishes.

Regarding those Quotes, all of the small corruption scenes I talked about before would really be short, as you would like it to be. Those little corruption progress scenes are the ideal short scenes where you could make a lot of. And longer scenes should of course happen very rarely because such scenes naturally are decisive ones, like first time sex, first time BJ, first time real kissing etc. Those need some special attention and could be made a bit longer in my feeling, with more different positions and a morning after, or a what happens after... for the relationship build up I feel like it is really important whether Aywin sleeps at Zenos place after they had sex. It becomes very meaningful.

 

[sfoMMA85]

There is one more important thing I really feel I also want to comment on. It hit me a bit when I was going through the reviews of this game and other comments. And I think this is very important because you took a lot of time constructing the backstories of your characters.
The problem I see and where I unconsciously also wrote about before in some way is that even though the female main characters all got a super strong and detailed back story they feel pretty similar in a way. Thats because they are reacting and behaving just the same way. Especially concerning their corruption. They are all very submissive, they dont resist a lot (thats what I wrote about before), they all go along with everything they are confronted with and happen to behave in a very similar way. Maybe thats something you could colour out a little bit more. Make one e.g. Aywin the hard to reach ice queen at least towards zeno, and a women that is not easily fooled/naive, one the cheeky/bold energetic girl e.g. Celis, and another one the shy, super-naive character, like Solana. Otherwise I understand that throwaway0 for example cant "remember their names, so you just identify them by their gameplay (their profession or the location of their house) and will hope they eventually get plowed" (Quote from the reviews). In HC1 the three female characters felt quite different for example.

On another note - I don not see this problem with the male main characters actually. Especially Zeno and Edwyr behave very differently. But also sidecharacters like Goras for example got their very own agenda and their very distinctive behavior.

 

[sfoMMA85]

I guess implementing this all would mean quite a bit of polishing, but maybe you make the next update a rework/polishing-only-update. Just going over all the things that could be polished a bit, things you yourself want to be redone/rewritten. And then you could add some extra scenes/freeroaming scenes, additional content many want to see and many asked for. I mean you got quite a number of good advices and ideas from your community. I really think this is now the perfect moment to stop story progression for one update - take a breath - and start implementing some of these ideas and suggestions. I guess this game is your baby and in the end you do your thing - but when I learned one thing, for example by looking at the general gaming industry, it is that listening to the community made good games become superb games. Its only logical - as a dev you regain an somewhat objective view you kind of loose when you are too much with the head in the game. What could become a bit difficult is to part subjective/personal preferences from helpful suggestions. But thats what you got the discussion in terms of quality of the arguments for or you could quantify how often something specific is wished for. And in the end thats of course your freedom - what you implement and what not. But Ireally think that the game would benefit from a break and could use some polishing to close the little gaps that came up due to your great pace as a dev in terms of story progression. I think such an update could be the perfect base for all the next story progession updates. Maybe you can give it a thought N_taii....

also I got the feeling that actually some of your fans would like to see that, rather then story progression for once and that most are trusting you that you are not going to stop story progression and now starting to rebuild the whole game or that you start to do unnescessary stuff like some of the other devs around here do...

 

[veeral]

I hope that you're doing well dev. Just played hcc1 and man you've gotten so much better, in my opinion, during tlott. This isn't normally my genre but you do fine work and I can only wait and hope you continue to grow and share with us.

 

[Vango.Bango]

Just out of curiosity. Do you have any idea how many updates there will be by the end.

 

[sfoMMA85]

Just out of curiosity. Do you have any idea how many updates there will be by the end.

-Last but not least, I don't intend on rushing the game or trying to finish it within a certain amount of updates. It'll take as many updates as I feel like are needed to finish and polish it they way I want : )

 

[N_taii]

I guess implementing this all would mean....

Hello again, and thanks for the feedback. Just one little precision: when I said " I guess some of it is also due to my lack of imagination. every time I write a sex scene past a certain point, I always feel like it becomes redundant and uninteresting ", I didn't mean that every scene feels the same, but dragging one single sex scene for too long doesn't feel right to me. Even if I add more sex positions, I always feel like the dialogue gets really repetitive, and adds little to the sex scene itself, which is why I tend to cut it short after a certain point. Of course, that's just how I see it as a dev, and you are right when you say that I often lack a different/exterior point of view as I make the game, so it's hard to figure out exactly whether the scene is arousing or not to the players.

As for the rest, I indeed started to add freeroam events unrelated to the story in recent updates. They add flavor to the game, a bit like the cherry on top of the cake. I might add more of them earlier in the game, but for now I'd like to focus on game development (not trying to rush the story, but when I start developing the game, I like to go to the end in one go, beating the iron while it's still hot, and then only start to polish what needs polishing^^). About reworking the personality of some of the girls, this would be a bit huge to do, as I'd have to re-check every dialogue since the start of the game to adapt the new personality and make sure nothing feels off, and I'm not sure I feel ready to do that. However, the advice didn't fall on deaf ears, be sure of that. I'll keep it in mind in the future : )

Also, huge thanks for the nice review and rating

I hope that you're doing well dev. Just played hcc1 and man you've gotten so much better, in my opinion, during tlott. This isn't normally my genre but you do fine work and I can only wait and hope you continue to grow and share with us.

Thank you, I will : )

 

[ssj782]

Ooo. Update 6 came out. Does that mean we'll be getting 5 tonight or tomorrow, by any chance?

 

[N_taii]

Ooo. Update 6 came out. Does that mean we'll be getting 5 tonight or tomorrow, by any chance?

On the 15th. I always upload the previous version on here exactly 5 days after the new one comes out : )

 

[ssj782]

On the 15th. I always upload the previous version on here exactly 5 days after the new one comes out : )

K. Looking forward to it, since it will have sex in it going by your pattern so far. You've already done intercrural, so penetration is next.

 

[Evil987]

wonderful update as always, N_taii! and the freeroam stuff is really good (need MOAR! hahaha). joke aside, it's really needed, cuz it fill the void between the big scenes, and also help to build up the feeling of corruption around the village. i hope to see more of them in the final update (or in the post ntr ending). a good chunk of scenes and a good number of this little sprite here and here and it will be perfect imho.

btw, i have replayed chap 5 and 6 and i have found some bugs;

chap5, in the dungeon, where we need to push the 4 colored buttons, if u interact with the door during the fade away animation, the screen will got stuck in full dark (can open menu and probably u can move around, but cant see)

chap6, while inside the tent we need to inspect boxes to find the drug potions.
that boxes (and the book in the cabin in the woods) are not interactable for me, and i'm stuck in both place.

also in the walktrough u have write chap 5 instead of chap 6 lol not a big deal of course.

 

[N_taii]

wonderful update as always, N_taii! and the freeroam stuff is really good (need MOAR! hahaha). joke aside, it's really needed, cuz it fill the void between the big scenes, and also help to build up the feeling of corruption around the village. i hope to see more of them in the final update (or in the post ntr ending). a good chunk of scenes and a good number of this little sprite here and here and it will be perfect imho.

btw, i have replayed chap 5 and 6 and i have found some bugs;

chap5, in the dungeon, where we need to push the 4 colored buttons, if u interact with the door during the fade away animation, the screen will got stuck in full dark (can open menu and probably u can move around, but cant see)

chap6, while inside the tent we need to inspect boxes to find the drug potions.
that boxes (and the book in the cabin in the woods) are not interactable for me, and i'm stuck in both place.

also in the walktrough u have write chap 5 instead of chap 6 lol not a big deal of course.

Thanks for the feedback and report! I plan to add more freeroam from now on, and probably some more earlier in the game. I'll check out the bug you mentioned for update 5. As for update 6, the crates and books are only interactable by using the mouse. Some other players have mentioned being hard-locked as well, until they tried to use the mouse. Since it worked with the mouse during my playtest, I didn't expect the keyboard not to work (I have now added a dialogue pop up that will tell people to use their mouse to interact with said objects). I'm sorry about the inconvenience.

Thanks again~

Edit: Also, the walkthrough has been fixed earlier today. I'm just waiting for more bug reports to update the download able versions : )

 

[N_taii]

K. Looking forward to it, since it will have sex in it going by your pattern so far. You've already done intercrural, so penetration is next.

You will see ; )

 

[N_taii]

sfoMMA85 mentioned in his review this game has a lot of kinks. Anyone could name them?

Hmmmm. BDSM, maledom, corruption, groping, hidden and suggestive sex, anal sex, creampie, NTR(all of the scenes are NTR in a way), internal view, etc...I know all of them aren't necessarily fetishes per se, but I tried to be as exhaustive as I could be. Some more planned, such as exhibtionism, group sex, double penetration, pregnancy/pregnancy sex, and some others.

 

[N_taii]

Thank you for the swift response. Maybe it would be easier to write down which ones you WON'T include?

Considering the sheer amount of deviants (me included) with different, very specific fetishes around the world, this might take forever^^