RPGM Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3: The Peacekeepers [P2 Update 22] [N_taii]

[AxoriousTheBrave]

At the risk of sounding overly negative, I'm definitely feeling more mixed on Chapter 3 as we're moving into the endgame... and having had way too much time to kill on my hands lately, I think it comes down to three major factors for me.

1. The amount of focus put on "mandatory" side-characters in storylines. Particularly Naevyr and Izinya, who feel so much more intrusive with the way that they dominate Haylen's quest compared to Sergeant Alys as part of Cyanna's story, or Meredith in Rose's.

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2. The dizzying number of custom maps for almost every single quest. While I appreciate the amount of effort that is being put into crafting them... I can't help but feel like it might be too ambitious in scope, to where so much of the game takes place in claustrophobic "bottle zones" that discourage exploration as actual gameplay because each map is basically being made during one update cycle, and then promptly abandoned to work on the next one. Instead of making the world feel larger by having so many areas, it has the opposite effect of feeling extremely disconnected from the main city. I just wish that the same amount of effort was a bit more consolidated, to have more of the story happen within familiar areas of the city, and fewer but more in-depth "field trips" to new areas. Right now, the city feels like it pales in comparison to the village from Chapter 2.

3. This one might be a case of rose-colored glasses because it has been several years since I've touched Chapter 2... but it feels like a lot more scenes in Chapter 3 are just happening on their own completely outside of Leto's POV. I'm slightly to blame here, because I always forget to switch over to the "partial POV" option with each new update, but even in that version, it feels like Leto is a lot more distant from everything going on behind his back compared to Noah. And even as the corruption has progressed, it feels like that aspect of the NTR is still lagging pretty far behind the curve to me.

I think this will probably be the last thing I say about the game for a few months until I have something more positive or at least balanced to contribute, because there is a delicate line between giving honest feedback and just being an obnoxious critic who constantly whines about everything... I just hope that I haven't already crossed it.

This is very interesting and i think i agree with all of your points. First one feels like so mucht ime is spent on these girls who have no design and are just there... hell, alys gets corrupted at the very beginning of story! and she is still hanging around etc. we are here to see the main girls get corrupted and changed, not these irrelevant side girls. every scene with them could be more scenes with the main girls.

second point i want to expand... idk, i hate to call back + compare to other ntr games but they always happen in the same town/village/area entirely. scars of summer has it so when the game starts, you can go to every single map. the city, the town, the strip club, the seedy motel, gymnasium, locker room, school etc.

so the fun of the game is seeing these familiar areas you spend time with your gf get changed, or seeing her start spending time at the dodgy locations as she gets corrupted by fucked up guys. we have a brothel on this district map but nothing ever happens there story-wise. wouldnt it be hot if we had a free roam event where we see lily or rose sneak into the brothel one night? or whatever. too much time spent on story missions and less time spent on the corruption happening to these girls, these memories etc.

third point- i agree, again!. i love the partial pov and it got me addicted to this game lol but it feels like i put partial pov on and still see so much stuff. developer does too much telling vs showing, which is hard but i think important. ntr isnt about seeing the sex, it's about knowing it's happening but just out of sight... and once we finally see the sex i beleive should be the climax and end of the story. instead it feels like we've been seeing sex for a very long time.

 

[PizzaGamer]

At the risk of sounding overly negative, I'm definitely feeling more mixed on Chapter 3 as we're moving into the endgame... and having had way too much time to kill on my hands lately, I think it comes down to three major factors for me.

1. The amount of focus put on "mandatory" side-characters in storylines. Particularly Naevyr and Izinya, who feel so much more intrusive with the way that they dominate Haylen's quest compared to Sergeant Alys as part of Cyanna's story, or Meredith in Rose's.

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2. The dizzying number of custom maps for almost every single quest. While I appreciate the amount of effort that is being put into crafting them... I can't help but feel like it might be too ambitious in scope, to where so much of the game takes place in claustrophobic "bottle zones" that discourage exploration as actual gameplay because each map is basically being made during one update cycle, and then promptly abandoned to work on the next one. Instead of making the world feel larger by having so many areas, it has the opposite effect of feeling extremely disconnected from the main city. I just wish that the same amount of effort was a bit more consolidated, to have more of the story happen within familiar areas of the city, and fewer but more in-depth "field trips" to new areas. Right now, the city feels like it pales in comparison to the village from Chapter 2.

3. This one might be a case of rose-colored glasses because it has been several years since I've touched Chapter 2... but it feels like a lot more scenes in Chapter 3 are just happening on their own completely outside of Leto's POV. I'm slightly to blame here, because I always forget to switch over to the "partial POV" option with each new update, but even in that version, it feels like Leto is a lot more distant from everything going on behind his back compared to Noah. And even as the corruption has progressed, it feels like that aspect of the NTR is still lagging pretty far behind the curve to me.

I think this will probably be the last thing I say about the game for a few months until I have something more positive or at least balanced to contribute, because there is a delicate line between giving honest feedback and just being an obnoxious critic who constantly whines about everything... I just hope that I haven't already crossed it.

I agree with all your points, feels like there needs to be more focus on the main instead of all the side girls, and Leto should be more involved also

 

[Jeferss12]

I agree with all your points, feels like there needs to be more focus on the main instead of all the side girls, and Leto should be more involved also

I really don't agree that the game should focus entirely or mostly on the main characters, a story in which everything revolves around one or two characters, becomes a bit boring in my opinion, take Game of Thrones for example, each character has a solid foundation built with which they contribute significantly to the development of the story, but to give each character that foundation takes time, and in general, players get so attached to specific characters that they wish that said character appeared on screen all the time and that's why they don't get to enjoy the rest of the characters that appear throughout the game.

Something that would be great to have in the game would be the character biography, to be able to consult the info of all the characters, both male and female, that we meet throughout the game, where you can find basic data about the character, history, sexual preferences, etc., just an idea XD

 

[MioNTR]

Hey when Is the next update that has a new Duke and rose scene

 

[Benton Tarantella]

Hey when Is the next update that has a new Duke and rose scene

yes my dear one, you can check it

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[MioNTR]

yes my dear one, you can check it

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Cool but i mean a change update on here when it will be 20

 

[quandin]

Cool but i mean a change update on here when it will be 20

In a couple weeks

 

[Benton Tarantella]

Cool but i mean a change update on here when it will be 20

Oh, if you were referring to update 20, well I saw an event with Rose that I hadn’t seen before, but I think it was from previous updates.
I probably didn’t see it because I wasn’t on the correct day.

 

[YesBoss]

Constructive Criticism


I played the latest update, and this should’ve been a big one for me. I’m really into mom NTR—actually, that’s how I found you, through HC2’s mom NTR. And now, even though HC3 has light mom Ntr, Haylen was still my favorite… but this patch didn’t do anything for me.


Even though the storyline wasn’t bad, the whole fetish of Haylen wanting Jason’s baby and making her say it is a classic NTR trope—one that usually works. But here, it just didn’t hit. I think it’s because you’re dragging the game out too much. The story feels burnt out.


Now that I’ve taken time to reflect, all the characters kind of feel the same (dragged out). Maybe it’s just me—I'm a writer—but I started to feel it at the end of HC2, and even more so in HC3 right now.


(I understand the reason why you’re dragging this out, by the way, but let’s focus on the writing aspect.)


You really excel at writing the beginnings of NTR stories: the buildup, the plot, the characters, the villains. Take Lily, for example—tsundere loli with an old man? $$ Fuckboy and a nun mom? $$ You get the idea. But it feels like, again, dragged out at some point.


Lily’s story, in my opinion, just doesn’t work—even though the concept had potential. The overall storyline doesn’t feel like NTR at all. (Some examples have already been mentioned by others: a girl who’d do anything for power, but you want us to feel like she wouldn’t? It doesn’t land.)


But the other three stories were on point—high-quality NTR, honestly. That said, again, the story is just too dragged out. Once the girls fully become sluts who enjoy sleeping with the villains, that’s it. The only thing left is to have them fully reject the MC in favor of the villains (in the endings), and that should’ve happened at least three patches ago.


That’s my two—or maybe three—cents as both a writer and a fan. I honestly don’t care about how much “sluttier” the characters get. Rose’s impregnation arc isn’t interesting to me because at this point she’s already doing everything and anything for the Duke—and not just him. Same goes for the other three.


I guess the only thing that could still work for me is if all four girls became public sluts and admitted it openly in front of the MC. For example: Rose marrying the Duke, and then having public sex in the throne room with everyone, including the MC, watching. That could actually be good. But that won’t happen until the ending, and based on what I’ve read in the forums, the ending is still not that close. Until then, I might burn out a little. (Or maybe it’s just me—played too many NTR games)

 

[Oriandu]

Not going to say I'm glad to see other people echoing my criticisms, but I feel better about my reaction to how things have progressed. To paraphrase Bilbo Baggins, "the corruption in HC3 feels thin, sort of stretched, like butter over too much bread." I stopped supporting N_Taii's patreon after the second beach episode because it felt like too little substance was being stretched across too much content.

Personally I think the most overt flaw in HC3 is separating the women into story and side quest. It results in regular shifting of focus, causing multiple months worth of content that feel unimportant. I stopped caring about Haylen before she and Jazon were fucking because Jazon is boring and the involvement of non-Haylen characters made Haylen feel less important in her own quest line. I stopped caring about Lily when she became addicted to Mirrors of Whorecraft because it cheapened her development outside of the mirror. I lost interest in Cyanna because it took so long for her to actually start enjoying her corruption that it got depressing. I lost interest in Rose because her activities with the duke were becoming repetitive; she performs a sexual act with him, he gets domineering, she tells him to go fuck himself, she feels guilty about cheating on Leto and then feels more guilty about "failing" her people, she and the duke escalate a step, repeat the process for every new sexual act. The individual scenes are typically pretty good but at a certain point things start to feel like the story is treading water.

In a hypothetical HC4 I think it would be best if the game separates the cast by narrative importance instead of content type. If we use the cast of HC3 as the example it would put Rose at the top as she's the most important character, behind her would be Cyanna since she's directly involved with an important figure in the duke's conspiracy, and then Lily and Haylen would be of equal importance because both of their partners are on the periphery of the conspiracy. So if we continue with that example I would suggest folding Haylen's story into Cyanna's because Jazon is a member of the guard and it would therefore be easier to involve her and Jazon with storylines focusing on Cyanna. That would leave Rose and Lily as a pairing which could be justified by the duke requiring the magic shop owner's talents and by Rose's secret work at the bar, it would also allow Lily's jealousy over Rose's relationship with Leto into focus. Approaching content by making it all "main quest" and having the side quests perhaps instead focus on legitimate side characters would be an immediate improvement in my opinion.

N_Taii is very good at learning from the trials and tribulations of his development. I fully expect that his next major game will be better than HC3. And now I return to occasional lurking.

 

[MioNTR]

You know I feel like that Leto is going to be a step Dad like the happy ending is the girls get pregnant but something terrible happens Leto has their kids now and starts raising them

 

[PizzaGamer]

I really don't agree that the game should focus entirely or mostly on the main characters, a story in which everything revolves around one or two characters, becomes a bit boring in my opinion, take Game of Thrones for example, each character has a solid foundation built with which they contribute significantly to the development of the story, but to give each character that foundation takes time, and in general, players get so attached to specific characters that they wish that said character appeared on screen all the time and that's why they don't get to enjoy the rest of the characters that appear throughout the game.

Something that would be great to have in the game would be the character biography, to be able to consult the info of all the characters, both male and female, that we meet throughout the game, where you can find basic data about the character, history, sexual preferences, etc., just an idea XD

Yeah I don't think he should get rid of all the side character content, however he should really focus on the main characters more, like the other comments said, it's getting really repetitive like with rose should just fully be corrupted already instead of keep getting mad at duke, same with cyanna and lily

 

[Jeferss12]

Constructive Criticism


I played the latest update, and this should’ve been a big one for me. I’m really into mom NTR—actually, that’s how I found you, through HC2’s mom NTR. And now, even though HC3 has light mom Ntr, Haylen was still my favorite… but this patch didn’t do anything for me.


Even though the storyline wasn’t bad, the whole fetish of Haylen wanting Jason’s baby and making her say it is a classic NTR trope—one that usually works. But here, it just didn’t hit. I think it’s because you’re dragging the game out too much. The story feels burnt out.


Now that I’ve taken time to reflect, all the characters kind of feel the same (dragged out). Maybe it’s just me—I'm a writer—but I started to feel it at the end of HC2, and even more so in HC3 right now.


(I understand the reason why you’re dragging this out, by the way, but let’s focus on the writing aspect.)


You really excel at writing the beginnings of NTR stories: the buildup, the plot, the characters, the villains. Take Lily, for example—tsundere loli with an old man? $$ Fuckboy and a nun mom? $$ You get the idea. But it feels like, again, dragged out at some point.


Lily’s story, in my opinion, just doesn’t work—even though the concept had potential. The overall storyline doesn’t feel like NTR at all. (Some examples have already been mentioned by others: a girl who’d do anything for power, but you want us to feel like she wouldn’t? It doesn’t land.)


But the other three stories were on point—high-quality NTR, honestly. That said, again, the story is just too dragged out. Once the girls fully become sluts who enjoy sleeping with the villains, that’s it. The only thing left is to have them fully reject the MC in favor of the villains (in the endings), and that should’ve happened at least three patches ago.


That’s my two—or maybe three—cents as both a writer and a fan. I honestly don’t care about how much “sluttier” the characters get. Rose’s impregnation arc isn’t interesting to me because at this point she’s already doing everything and anything for the Duke—and not just him. Same goes for the other three.


I guess the only thing that could still work for me is if all four girls became public sluts and admitted it openly in front of the MC. For example: Rose marrying the Duke, and then having public sex in the throne room with everyone, including the MC, watching. That could actually be good. But that won’t happen until the ending, and based on what I’ve read in the forums, the ending is still not that close. Until then, I might burn out a little. (Or maybe it’s just me—played too many NTR games)

I'm just going to say damn N_tai if haylen really is totally on her own and willing to get pregnant and have the baby of someone she's known for only a few months, you have to give us a good reason, I mean the amulet makes them stupid and clouds their ability to think, or all the women in the world of Henteria are stupid and that's how they come from the factory XD, why can't you sell us the story that someone like haylen who is an adult woman, head of the faith in the kingdom, is simply on her own will to get pregnant with someone she doesn't even really know, and just like that tell leto "Hey son, remember your partner from the guard that you introduced me to two months ago, I'm going to have his child!!!", that line of thinking is really poor, so unless they come up with something out of the ordinary like something is affecting the psyche of women and their ability to reason, this one is much stupider than Noa's mother XD

damn at least Noa's mother started doing it because the situation forced her to, she had no relationship with Nuria's people, so the only one who could mediate with Nuria so that nothing happened to her son was Zeno, or at least that was what Zeno made her believe, we have Noa's mother, an adult woman who has only dedicated her life to raising her children, who in turn has only had one love relationship, who is deceived by someone with a twisted mind, against Haylen, a woman who has also dedicated her life to raising her children and to the profession of her faith, who in turn has also had a single love relationship in her life, who falls for the seduction games of someone who is the age of her son and who openly admits from the beginning that she knows jazon is only playing with her but plays along because she says that "She is going to save him from his lustful behavior", and now she says that she is going to have his son of her own free will, pfffff come on give me a good excuse for that XD

What I try to say is that it is not that it disagrees with the development of events, but a solid and reasonable base of causes that led to that development is expected.
Or you can simply tell us that Haylen is a damn elf whore, which the only thing she want at the bottom of her heart is to be used as a semen deposit and a breeding whore XD, I believe that more easily XD

 

[Jeferss12]

You know I feel like that Leto is going to be a step Dad like the happy ending is the girls get pregnant but something terrible happens Leto has their kids now and starts raising them

You're evil XD, I like it XD

 

[MioNTR]

You're evil XD, I like it XD

I seen NTR manga done where the protagonist ends raising the NTR man child and his ex they get retribution but he still raises their child.Their was even NTR where wife leaves her husband with the man she has affair she takes her fat son with them they horrible with him the son gets revenge by burning them and their place he survived no one feels sympathy for them a beautiful female nurse feels bad for him decided to take him into her family with her husband and son the fat adopted son wants his stepmother for himself decided to steal her and the irony the female nurse biological son finds out and masturbating to his mother and new step brother affair imagine this happening to Leto

 

[elliochness]

At this point the heroines are all willingly sleeping with the villains and while I am looking forward to the Rose-themed update that is coming next at this point more corruption is giving sharply diminishing returns.

I will say that I enjoy the writing of the heroines a lot more here than in HC2. They're better defined and they have actual agency in what they're doing.

What I would like to see going forward is having the heroines emotionally break with Leto. Have Rose see him as an obstacle, Cyanna see him as useless, Hayden transfer her love to her child with Jazon. Make him the obstacle to their happiness and have them discard him.

 

[Jeferss12]

At this point the heroines are all willingly sleeping with the villains and while I am looking forward to the Rose-themed update that is coming next at this point more corruption is giving sharply diminishing returns.

I will say that I enjoy the writing of the heroines a lot more here than in HC2. They're better defined and they have actual agency in what they're doing.

What I would like to see going forward is having the heroines emotionally break with Leto. Have Rose see him as an obstacle, Cyanna see him as useless, Hayden transfer her love to her child with Jazon. Make him the obstacle to their happiness and have them discard him.

1. I think it would be counter-argumentative for Rose to see Leto as an obstacle, due to the fact that a large part of the reason she decided to escalate her sexual activities with the Duke was so she could have a public relationship with Leto. The only way this could happen would be if Leto discovered what they were doing with the amulets and it turned out that they had side effects on people worse than those produced by the Peacekeepers. In his quest to avoid this, Leto ended up frustrating or hindering the cooperative relationship established between Rose and the Duke, and the Duke putting Leto in a bad light with Rose and the rest of the people around him.

2. As for Cyanna, I find it very difficult to believe that she will ever consider Leto useless. Honestly, the only thing I could think of is that Ulrod will manage to get Cyanna to stop caring about Leto and simply decide to build a life without Leto, since Ulrod shows her or she herself realizes that it is practically impossible for her to be with Leto.

3. As for Haylen, what you say is much more likely and believable, but as I mentioned before, N_taii would have to give us a good argumentative reason for it. You can't just come and say that she is going to destroy the mother-son relationship with Leto of so many years, for someone she has only known for a few months.

4. and as for lyly the truth is I don't know what to say, I mean her relationship with leto was never built beyond a simple friendship, with her teasing him with some sexual humor sometimes but nothing beyond that, and that in large part because of the relationship between rose and leto, which is why lyly felt that she simply had no chance of beating rose who is a princess and she is a simple common, that and the whole issue of their race being treated as nothing more than objects without any will, which together with everything else contributed to her developing that inferiority complex, which nezar used to make her fall into his deceptions, so with lyly the only thing I could see is leto discovering the situation his friend is in, trying to make her see reason and with his actions damaging the relationship that lyly has with nezar, which leads to her feeling that leto is somehow frustrating her efforts to achieve her dream, with which she believes everyone will stop looking down on her.

 

[elliochness]

I mean, I don't care so much about the details as I care about the fact that at this point in the story I'm a lot more interested in the corruption of Leto's emotional bonds to the heroines than seeing the heroines have sex in new and exciting locations.

 

[Jeferss12]

I mean, I don't care so much about the details as I care about the fact that at this point in the story I'm a lot more interested in the corruption of Leto's emotional bonds to the heroines than seeing the heroines have sex in new and exciting locations.

bro, but the details are the most important thing, at least that's how it is for me XD

 

[elliochness]

I want the details well-written and making sense, and N_Taii is good at that, so I was mostly commenting that I put out plot points as examples, not as a script I wanted to be followed. If an emotional break happens then I'm happy, the source of the break can be whatever makes sense for the plot.