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Isnt that an involuntary physical response to sexual stimuli? It can happen even when the person does not love the one causing it.never met a woman who could orgasm with someone she doesn’t love
Isnt that an involuntary physical response to sexual stimuli? It can happen even when the person does not love the one causing it.never met a woman who could orgasm with someone she doesn’t love
i mean, could you think of anything other than this?, it «should» happen, be it in revenge or the happy end, the least they can do is beg xD.I’d love to see endings where the roles are reversed, and everyone begs Leto for forgiveness while the player gets to choose their fate.
I get what you mean, but if you’ve played HC2, you’ll notice something important: the only endings where the characters’ actions make sense are the NTR ending and the True Ending.i mean, could you think of anything other than this?, it «should» happen, be it in revenge or the happy end, the least they can do is beg xD.
its the basic thing for a redemption ending, to see apologies.
exactly, thats all im saying. meaningless endingsI get what you mean, but if you’ve played HC2, you’ll notice something important: the only endings where the characters’ actions make sense are the NTR ending and the True Ending.
The game was clearly designed around the NTR route first, and the so-called “happy ending” feels like pure fanservice added afterward — even if it contradicts everything Celis actually does.
And about apologies… HC2 barely gives us any.
There is no real confrontation between Noah, Celis, or Aywin anywhere. The only moment that resembles one appears in the revenge ending, and even there, their apologies feel completely hollow.
When Aywin says “women have needs…”, I honestly expected Noah to finally confront her about what she did , sleeping with her cousin and her uncle (who also murdered his father), and betraying him repeatedly. But Noah never mentions it. Not once.
He could have written it in his journal, knowing his mother reads it, and that alone could have made her face the truth of how badly she hurt him. But the game never goes there.
As for the NTR ending:
Aywin never thinks about Noah at all. She’s completely broken inside, moving only to please her enemies.
Celis is the same — drowned in guilt and lust, but never once mentioning Noah until everything is already lost.
And the “happy” ending really shows how artificial it is:
Celis decides Noah should become the new village chief without even asking him. She’s so ashamed that she acts as if *she* were the victim of Noah’s actions.
In the revenge route, she even admits she hasn’t forgotten Eydir, saying she still misses his dick. She struggles to get naked or be intimate with Noah, even though she did far worse with Eydir and Zeno without hesitation.
That must have hurt Noah deeply, even if he eventually corrupts her and overwrites those memories. But by then Noah isn’t himself anymore. He’s just the goddess’s instrument, not the master of his own choices.
That’s why she chooses him in the end: not because he healed, but because Zeno failed to be the perfect pawn.
Regarding HC3:
I’ve played the latest update, and the scenes are incredibly intense, but things are going so far that I don’t see how any of it could realistically be forgiven. Everything feels like it could break at any moment.
Rose and Cyanna have fallen so low that it wouldn’t take much more to shatter them completely and considering how HC2 handled “redemption", I’m not expecting meaningful apologies unless the game finally commits to a real confrontation.
but even in true end of that game, only celis made sense, i never ever seen any guilt from aywin, you see more love between strangers compared to the love aywin showed her own so called son.I get what you mean, but if you’ve played HC2, you’ll notice something important: the only endings where the characters’ actions make sense are the NTR ending and the True Ending.
The game was clearly designed around the NTR route first, and the so-called “happy ending” feels like pure fanservice added afterward — even if it contradicts everything Celis actually does.
And about apologies… HC2 barely gives us any.
There is no real confrontation between Noah, Celis, or Aywin anywhere. The only moment that resembles one appears in the revenge ending, and even there, their apologies feel completely hollow.
When Aywin says “women have needs…”, I honestly expected Noah to finally confront her about what she did , sleeping with her cousin and her uncle (who also murdered his father), and betraying him repeatedly. But Noah never mentions it. Not once.
He could have written it in his journal, knowing his mother reads it, and that alone could have made her face the truth of how badly she hurt him. But the game never goes there.
As for the NTR ending:
Aywin never thinks about Noah at all. She’s completely broken inside, moving only to please her enemies.
Celis is the same — drowned in guilt and lust, but never once mentioning Noah until everything is already lost.
And the “happy” ending really shows how artificial it is:
Celis decides Noah should become the new village chief without even asking him. She’s so ashamed that she acts as if *she* were the victim of Noah’s actions.
In the revenge route, she even admits she hasn’t forgotten Eydir, saying she still misses his dick. She struggles to get naked or be intimate with Noah, even though she did far worse with Eydir and Zeno without hesitation.
That must have hurt Noah deeply, even if he eventually corrupts her and overwrites those memories. But by then Noah isn’t himself anymore. He’s just the goddess’s instrument, not the master of his own choices.
That’s why she chooses him in the end: not because he healed, but because Zeno failed to be the perfect pawn.
Regarding HC3:
I’ve played the latest update, and the scenes are incredibly intense, but things are going so far that I don’t see how any of it could realistically be forgiven. Everything feels like it could break at any moment.
Rose and Cyanna have fallen so low that it wouldn’t take much more to shatter them completely and considering how HC2 handled “redemption", I’m not expecting meaningful apologies unless the game finally commits to a real confrontation.
I get your point, but in HC3 the issue isn’t “virginity” or whether sex is the only meaningful thing in a relationship. What matters is how Rose and Cyanna lost theirs, and under what circumstances. They didn’t lose it to past lovers or because of life experience. They lost it to blackmail, manipulation, and men who used their bodies as leverage while pretending it was all “for Leto’s sake”.I disagree, I think it's totally plausible for Leto to find happiness with the women afterwards. The idea that there won't be any "magic moments" left for them to share is a bit silly. It's not as if sex is the only meaningful thing you can experience with another person. I may not be speaking for everybody, but losing your virginity is only a big deal when you're still a virgin. After you've lost it, you wonder what all the fuss was about (and I ended up losing my virginity at a comparatively later age than most of my peers).
The choices you are given as Leto says something about his character based upon what you pick. The 'Happy Ending' choices focus on mercy, compassion, and forgiveness. And I think a person with a particular kind of character can forgive almost anything.
Is it realistic they he could end up happy with Rose and the others after everything that has happened? I mean, it's a fantasy sex story, everything about it is contrived, so realism is a stupid metric to go by. But is it plausible within the context of this story and having made those choices, for Leto to forgive the women and live a happy life with them? I think so.
I suppose, ultimately whether you accept this or not says as much about yourself and your own principles as it does anything else. If you don't think you/Leto could forgive them and you think he would want to punish them for it, then the revenge ending is for you. If you think these betrayals would break you/Leto then the NTR endings are going to feel more approriate.
Yes, the body can react involuntarily, but in the game the issue isn’t the physical response itself. The girls say it “feels good” which implies emotional acceptance, not just a reflex. In real life, someone can climax without liking the partner, but they wouldn’t describe it as pleasurable or desirable. That contrast is exactly why their behaviour in the story feels like a deeper form of betrayal.Isnt that an involuntary physical response to sexual stimuli? It can happen even when the person does not love the one causing it.
that kind of orgasm are likely to be very painful too, not the physical pain, but emotionally.Yes, the body can react involuntarily, but in the game the issue isn’t the physical response itself. The girls say it “feels good” which implies emotional acceptance, not just a reflex. In real life, someone can climax without liking the partner, but they wouldn’t describe it as pleasurable or desirable. That contrast is exactly why their behaviour in the story feels like a deeper form of betrayal.
girls say it “feels good” which implies emotional acceptance, not just a reflex
all the stuff that the antagonists have done to these women have probably had a unwanted mental effect though. the women's brains were probably bombarded with enough dopamine and other stimuli that there will be cognitive dissonance, where their thoughts and their feelings will adjust to "lessen" the terrible-ness of the situation.your heart only reacts, if your willing to do it
you know, if we talk about hentai logic yeah, its true.all the stuff that the antagonists have done to these women have probably had a unwanted mental effect though. the women's brains were probably bombarded with enough dopamine and other stimuli that there will be cognitive dissonance, where their thoughts and their feelings will adjust to "lessen" the terrible-ness of the situation.
too much sex and stimuli and the brain will most likely rewire itself to make sense of it all, and make it "feel good."
if this really is the case, i would be genuinely happy about it, and trust me, if you see a strong confrontation you would like this game even more than you already do. cause it will do something that many can't. having both strong ntr themes, and a really satisfying confrontation is one step above many.Even though there are two NTR endings, N_taii told me that the revenge ending and the healing ending should actually be the strongest ones.
Unless healing ending means washing these sluts brains i don't see how it's really a good ending. I mean, would you trust Rose after all is said and done? xDI think it is important not to overthink Henteria Chronicles, even if I personally tend to do it. The series aims to tell serious and engaging stories, yet it is still strongly shaped by hentai logic and its natural inclination toward NTR. The girls go through NTR developments up to a certain point, but HC3 is not designed only for NTR. Even though there are two NTR endings, N_taii told me that the revenge ending and the healing ending should actually be the strongest ones.
He simply wants to keep things manageable after everything that happened during HC2. HC2 tried too hard to satisfy everyone and ended up including scenes mainly because certain patrons wanted the girls to become more corrupted. This is also why the so-called happy ending in HC2 felt disconnected, since it was added out of obligation rather than genuine intent.
As for me, I genuinely like every HC game. I have not played the first one yet, but I was told the entire story and the concept sounded bold and creative. HC3 feels like a natural evolution, and if N_taii manages to add strong confrontations and meaningful punishment for the rivals, I would be extremely satisfied. I do not want him to force fanservice though. I want him to stay faithful to what he originally envisioned.
I replayed HC3 at a colleague’s place and really enjoyed the new developments, especially when I play with a detached mindset. Leto is not a loser at all. Rose even admitted she is afraid someone might steal him when she saw him naked in her room, which makes NTR endings harder to imagine unless misunderstandings or manipulation are involved.
My relationship with NTR has always been complicated. At first I disliked it, because the first NTR game I played had a love story that genuinely touched me and I was not prepared for the tragic turn it took. Later, I understood why NTR stays in the mind longer than other genres. It creates a mix of attachment, insecurity, despair, emotional pain and a strange fascination that is difficult to define. Many people say you should not play from the MC’s perspective, yet that is exactly how Japanese creators intend the genre to be experienced.
At the end of the current content, we learn that there will be a Part 2 that requires a code. If a second part exists, it means it will be long enough to justify its own release, similar to NTR Online Part 2. I am curious whether the scenes we have seen so far will slightly change depending on the moral choices we make throughout the game, since this would naturally influence the possible endings.
If I ever create an NTR game myself, I would love to implement long-term consequences. For example, if a girl who loves the MC hears him say he would never forgive infidelity and values him enough not to take any risks, it would be interesting to see how she acts toward the rivals. She might even try to make the couple break apart so she can become the MC’s emotional support and recovery choice later.
I have countless ideas for NTR scenarios. I simply lack the time to write them because I am always testing games, writing reviews and finishing proofreading and localization tasks. One day I hope I will manage to turn at least one of those ideas into a complete game.
I agree with you about the revenge ending—an empty husk revenge doesn’t feel satisfying at all, especially since Leto isn’t the one taking revenge. I think the revenge ending should represent the righteous anger that the player feels, taken out on the antagonists and the girls for their part in the betrayal. (And Ntail can also make this revenge route lead to Leto becoming an evil character, allowing him to keep his philosophy, but it still needs to have the satisfying payoff, because that’s what actual revenge does: it gives you payback against those who hurt you while also making you a worse person.)Of course, I’m not in favor of another “revenge shell” ending like in HC2, where the MC is just an empty husk. I’ve already discussed that with N_Taii, and I respect his view that the revenge ending isn’t meant to heal the wounds—that’s what the “happy ending” is for. It’s called “happy” only because it’s the non-canonical, most positive outcome, but in reality it’s more like a bandage. There’s no miracle recovery—you can’t just go back to the innocence of the first game.
I know, brother, original writing is a very difficult thing, but he has delved too deeply into the suffering in NTR. This isn’t like the NTRPG 1 or 2 from ten years ago. His art is great, but in terms of writing, I think a good NTR work should involve competitive betrayal.You guys are creating situations and getting frustrated with them lmao
If you're a fan of SAO NTR, this clearly isn't for you, heh. It's just like Marvel and Coppola fans discussing cinema.
I think there was a misunderstanding. I did not mean that a happy or healing ending would be impossible. What I meant was based on the way N_taii usually writes his games and on what I have experienced so far in HC3. You said that if Cyanna and Rose help Leto against the Duke and Ulrod, it could naturally support the healing route, and I completely agree with you. The problem is that their current behaviour in the story does not give me the impression that they acted against their will.I agree with you about the revenge ending—an empty husk revenge doesn’t feel satisfying at all, especially since Leto isn’t the one taking revenge. I think the revenge ending should represent the righteous anger that the player feels, taken out on the antagonists and the girls for their part in the betrayal. (And Ntail can also make this revenge route lead to Leto becoming an evil character, allowing him to keep his philosophy, but it still needs to have the satisfying payoff, because that’s what actual revenge does: it gives you payback against those who hurt you while also making you a worse person.)
As for the happy ending, I disagree with your view. I believe redemption is possible for all the characters, even with the betrayal they’ve committed so far. However, for that redemption to feel real, Rose and Cyanna must make a positive choice that helps Leto take down the antagonists. (For example, maybe Cyanna helps Leto prepare evidence or even fights Ulrod to protect him, while Rose uses her power to imprison the Duke, etc.) This would give Leto just enough reason to forgive them and try to start over.
I think that if the happy ending moves along these lines, it will be the best and most satisfying ending for HC3. I believe the NTR ending makes the overall message of HC3 a negative one, especially since Leto is unlike Noah in HC2, who lacked the power to challenge the antagonist. So the main takeaway of an HC3 NTR ending would be: even if you are a brave person and do everything correctly, you still lose because of fate.
What game was that? Sounds interesting.At first I disliked it, because the first NTR game I played had a love story that genuinely touched me and I was not prepared for the tragic turn it took.