I think you misunderstood me. I’m not saying that either Rose or Cyanna acted against their will. While yes, at first they had good—or at least understandable—reasons for their betrayals, things shifted because of the pleasure they felt, and they started to get addicted. Rose even says as much in the last update.
However, I still believe they can redeem themselves. Even though they betrayed Leto horribly, they can start taking steps to mitigate the harm they caused. They need to choose Leto over the antagonists and the pleasure they feel, and they need to apologize profusely to Leto. I agree with you that there must be confrontation scenes where they reckon with what they did to him.
That’s what I mean when I say they have to actively choose Leto for a happy ending to work. For example, maybe Leto finds incriminating evidence about what the Duke is doing and plans to expose him. The Duke finds out and orders Ulrod to kill Leto, and somehow Cyanna learns about this (maybe after sleeping with him?). She then chooses to save Leto instead of staying with Ulrod and fights Ulrod in the process. Like I said, they need to take the first step so Leto can forgive them without it feeling undeserved.
However, I agree with you—what I’m describing probably won’t happen, since Ntaill hasn’t written happy endings like this before. In HC1 and HC2, he usually rushes the forgiveness because he enjoys writing NTR more. Still, here’s hoping!
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The amulet that the duke gave Rose was a fake. The duke pretended to give her the real amulet because he wanted to manipulate Rose and make her believe that everything he did was not for personal gain, but solely for the well-being and safety of the kingdom. By giving her the amulet used to gather energy, the duke knew—or trusted—that at some point Rose would return to continue all the depraved and immoral acts he had forced her into up to that point, of her own free will. But even so, he wanted to erase even the smallest chance of that not happening, which is why he gave her a fake amulet. He didn’t want to leave anything to probability, so he kept the real one.
Cyanna, well… we all know her situation with Ulrod. He started by making her feel guilty, then later manipulated her through “protecting Leto,” which he never actually did. XD If the idiot knew that most of the dangerous situations Leto ended up in were because of her beloved and “trustworthy” Ulrod—and the master who pulls that dog’s leash (the duke) XD—I would love to see her face. But honestly, at this point Cyanna doesn’t evoke any sympathy in me.
Haylen has absolutely no excuse. Her children didn’t abandon her—they live in the same city as she does; they just don’t have as much time to spend with her as before, especially after everything caused by the duke and by King Stefan faking his death. You’d think that with all the people who go to church every day, she’d have more than enough social interactions. But no—she let herself be manipulated by someone Leto’s age in the stupidest way possible. And even being aware of who Jazon was, and despite the warnings Leto gave her about him, she still defended him every time Leto said something about him. Just like Cyanna does with Ulrod: every time Leto says something about him, she defends him. But let’s see what they do when the antagonists say something bad about Leto: nothing!!! They let themselves get used like bitches in heat XD. So Haylen has absolutely no excuse.
And Lily… well, she could have avoided that whole shitty mess if she had simply dropped her garbage pride and accepted the help Leto has offered her her whole life. If she had accepted Leto’s offer to lend her money to pay for that damn ship her family wants to get on, she wouldn’t have come up with the stupid idea of stealing Nezar’s plant. If she hadn’t swallowed Nezar’s words when he caught her stealing—and again, if she had just talked to Leto and Cyanna, if she had explained the situation—I’m sure they would have understood and helped her. When the mirror incident happened, she once again stubbornly refused Leto’s help. So for me, Lily also has no excuse. Time and time again she has refused the help of the people close to her, mainly Leto. :_D
I could talk about the side characters—Meredith, Alys, Eddie, Naevyr, Jazon’s uncle’s wife, the dark elf guard (Eddie’s partner), the white-haired maid from the beach house, and many others—each one a bitch with no remorse at all. When they see Leto, not a single thought or feeling of guilt for what they’ve done, even though they actively helped the antagonists with their plans. All of them fall even lower than the four main female characters.
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By the way, I really liked the Rinna Test game. Great game. There are very few games that actually let you fight back from an early or precise point in the story where the player can say, “Alright, it’s about time they let me counterattack, right?” and actually take some action in the game. At least when it comes to NTR, most of them focus on humiliation and voyeurism, and well… there are really very few titles I’ve found that break the formula the Japanese have built around NTR.
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This is one specific area where I really think Haylen's story would've been vastly improved by focusing more on the overall "health" of Luminia than Naevyr's whole sidestory. To see Haylen's church suffer under the Duke's stewardship as the general populace starts to be affected by his flagrant corruption, going from a healthy congregation where she knows every single person by name to seeing the numbers start to dwindle more and more as time goes on with the city becoming so cynical to reflect its current ruler.
On paper, we've basically gotten to that point anyway with her last two quests, but it just kinda happens because Jazon decides to do it on a whim, so it feels like that has no weight on Haylen's character throughout most of the story. I feel like her actions would've been much more sympathetic if she had both sides of her life crumbling at the same time; the normal process of a mother going through empty nest syndrome who retreats back into her work as a way to keep herself from dwelling on it, only to have that source of solace taken away from her as well. Having her realize that her children no longer *need* her as a mother in the same way that they used to, and that the city no longer needs her as a priestess. To really hone in on the pressure of that hitting her from both sides, and showing how much effort she would put into hiding that from Leto instead of just choosing to protect Jazon because it's part of her job.
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I was actually the first to mention this game as I thought it was pretty interesting and used Pixel arts just like Henteria Chronicles. You can find the link here :
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Despite all the endings. You have to keep in mind, the game rely a lot on Hentai Logics and some actions don't make sense. Also the MC is stupid and naive and you can't avoid the NTR, except for the funny event and achievement (see for yourself).
I'm almost finished with Part 1 of HC3 and have just finished Haylen's last quest, and I have to say it's the first moment where it feels like a real betrayal has happened.
While technically, Rose is the only one that is actually betraying Leto by her infidelity, there is a reason that she is doing what she is doing. So far (at least where I am up to right now), Rose appears to have successfully compartmentalised her actions. Yeah, her body is changing to respond to pleasure and humilation, but the main thing driving her is to save her people and her kingdom.
Haylen's choice with Jazon in her last quest in Part One though, is based on pure selfishness and weakness.
Her relationship with Jazon has always been the weakest pairing. It's based on a familiar hentai trope you usually seen in mom/son scenarios, where the woman agrees to take care of the 'needs' of the young man so he doesn't go harrassing other women. It's a weak trope, but because it's a trope I can give it some leeway in this story. I can accept Haylen's naivety and her pure desire to help people, combined with her misdirected maternal instincts and repressed sexual curiosity could lead her down that path.
But, the moment she sees Jazon with the priestess and his true nature is laid bare, including how he has been manipulating her, Haylen should have ended the relationship once and for all. But instead, she sacrfices all sense of self-respect and goes back to him. It's the first moment in the game where I almost found myself shouting and the screen wanting Haylen just to say no and kick Jazon out on his ass. Her decision wasn't rationalised as being for some higher purpose, it was just pure selfish desire, hence why it feels like the game's first real painful betrayal.
I think of all the antagonists, Jazon is the one I hate the most. And not in that love to hate kind of way either. He's a bad antagonist. He's what I would call a 'villain sue'. A bad guy whose schemes shouldn't work, but for some reason everyone acts like they're taking stupid pills when they're around him and he somehow gets away with everything. I know this is par for the course for villains in this particular genre but Jazon makes a mockery even of that. What's kind of interesting about Jazon is at times his little schemes fail. What's less interesting (and downright annoying) is despite this, the outcome still goes in his favour anyway. It's annoying seeing a bad guy fail their way to success because it just makes everyone else around them look stupid.
I assume at some point, being motivated solely by selfish pleasure seeking will happen to all of the women, as that's what this genre is ultimately all about. Haylen was just the first to fall. Just wish it wasn't to that A-Hole but I guess that's kinda the point.
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I actually exchanged with N_taii by PM this weekend, and he took the time to explain many things in detail. Thanks to that, a lot of points that seemed confusing finally make sense. Some answers will only come in future updates, of course, but I finally understand the logic he is building.
Below is what he clarified, point by point, in relation to the topics you mentioned.
The Duke pretends to give her a real amulet, telling her she can throw it away and “end everything,” but the one he gives her is fake.
The goal is not trust — it is pure manipulation:
N_taii also confirmed the amulet only works with the Duke, not with Rose or Leto, which creates an additional duty-versus-love dilemma for her.
From what he explained:
Personally, Cyanna is still one of my favorite characters. I don’t see her as “unsympathetic” at all — just deeply conflicted and manipulated. And if things escalate and Ulrod ever tries to kill Leto, I would honestly love to see Cyanna turn against him and finally break free from his influence.
He actually mentioned that “some pieces of the puzzle are still missing” concerning her behavior, and that her situation will make more sense as the story progresses.
From what he explained:
• Haylen’s attachment to Jazon doesn’t begin as attraction. She protects him because he is an orphan like Leto, and both of Jazon’s parents died. She sees him as someone fragile who needs guidance, not as a romantic partner.
• Jazon also has his own inherited fortune and social influence, which allows him to manipulate events around the church. Haylen isn’t aware of the full extent of his actions, especially at the beginning.
• Over time, Haylen slowly shifts toward wanting to start a new family, have her own children, and build a life that gives her stability. According to N_taii, this naturally creates emotional distance between her and Leto — not because she rejects him, but because her priorities start changing on their own.
So when he says that “some pieces of the puzzle are missing,” he means that her arc is not fully revealed yet and her motivations aren’t random or illogical. They’re simply incomplete from the player’s current perspective.
She is not defending Jazon “for no reason” or acting like a “bitch in heat”, She is lonely, overwhelmed, emotionally exhausted, and extremely vulnerable to someone who appears to need her help.
It doesn’t absolve her of everything, but it does give context to why she behaves the way she does.
N_taii also confirmed that she does confess her feelings to Leto, not to start a relationship, but because she needs to acknowledge them honestly. Leto is caught off guard and fails to give her an answer in time, so she leaves when the girls call her. That small scene is meant to create doubt on Leto’s side and push him to question whether what he feels for her is simply friendship or something deeper. Lily then convinces herself that her feelings are impossible to realize and slowly shifts toward using sex for practical goals instead of emotional ones.
Now I want to clarify that what follows is my personal interpretation, based on what I have observed in the game. Lily clearly does not want to return home or end up like her mother, who lives in total dependence on the man Lily calls “her master.” In the latest update she even admits that Leto and Cyanna have succeeded in life and are now high in the social hierarchy, and that Rose is even higher. From her perspective she will never reach their level. Lily wants to be seen as capable and independent, not as someone who constantly needs others to rescue her.
In my view, Lily wants Leto to recognize her as someone strong who can stand on her own. She does not want to fall into a relationship dynamic where she depends on him the same way her mother depended on that man. That is also one of the reasons why she originally ran away from home. Leto helped her at a moment when she truly needed it, but she refuses to become someone he has to save again and again.
So while Lily makes mistakes, I would not say she has no excuse. She is dealing with insecurity, survival pressure, and a deep fear of repeating her mother’s life. These factors shape her choices far more than simple pride or stubbornness.
If you have specific questions about any of them, feel free to ask. I can bring those points to N_taii the next time he has a moment to answer me, since he has been very open to clarifying things when I relay questions from the community.
Below is what he clarified, point by point, in relation to the topics you mentioned.
According to N_taii, the amulet Rose gives the Duke is the device used to gather emotional energy and feed the Peacekeeper towers.
The Duke pretends to give her a real amulet, telling her she can throw it away and “end everything,” but the one he gives her is fake.
The goal is not trust — it is pure manipulation:
- He wants Rose to believe she has a choice
- He wants her to believe he has no personal interest
- He keeps the real amulet so she never actually has freedom
N_taii also confirmed the amulet only works with the Duke, not with Rose or Leto, which creates an additional duty-versus-love dilemma for her.
I honestly don’t understand the amount of hostility Cyanna gets here. Maybe there’s a specific detail some people interpret differently, but based on what I discussed with N_taii, her situation makes perfect sense.
From what he explained:
- Cyanna is someone who is physically strong but mentally very vulnerable, constantly doubting herself.
- Ulrod exploited that weakness. He acts like a “lifeline” to her, even though he’s actually the center of the storm.
- When she is with him, all her doubts and pain get replaced by pleasure, which becomes something she seeks out more and more.
- This creates a twisted emotional dependence — not love — formed through manipulation and a kind of brainwashing, as he put it.
- She loves Leto, and deliberately hurting him — even with the truth — is something she cannot bring herself to do.
- She knows Rose isn’t doing this “for fun,” but because she believes it’s the only way to protect her kingdom and the people she loves. That puts Cyanna in an extremely uncomfortable position.
Personally, Cyanna is still one of my favorite characters. I don’t see her as “unsympathetic” at all — just deeply conflicted and manipulated. And if things escalate and Ulrod ever tries to kill Leto, I would honestly love to see Cyanna turn against him and finally break free from his influence.
Regarding Haylen, I want to clarify something based on what N_taii told me in PM.
He actually mentioned that “some pieces of the puzzle are still missing” concerning her behavior, and that her situation will make more sense as the story progresses.
From what he explained:
• Haylen’s attachment to Jazon doesn’t begin as attraction. She protects him because he is an orphan like Leto, and both of Jazon’s parents died. She sees him as someone fragile who needs guidance, not as a romantic partner.
• Jazon also has his own inherited fortune and social influence, which allows him to manipulate events around the church. Haylen isn’t aware of the full extent of his actions, especially at the beginning.
• Over time, Haylen slowly shifts toward wanting to start a new family, have her own children, and build a life that gives her stability. According to N_taii, this naturally creates emotional distance between her and Leto — not because she rejects him, but because her priorities start changing on their own.
So when he says that “some pieces of the puzzle are missing,” he means that her arc is not fully revealed yet and her motivations aren’t random or illogical. They’re simply incomplete from the player’s current perspective.
She is not defending Jazon “for no reason” or acting like a “bitch in heat”, She is lonely, overwhelmed, emotionally exhausted, and extremely vulnerable to someone who appears to need her help.
It doesn’t absolve her of everything, but it does give context to why she behaves the way she does.
About Lily, I think people overlook several important layers in her situation. Based on what N_taii explained to me, her story is not about arrogance or refusing help just to be stubborn. Her entire arc revolves around pressure, money, and the need to keep her dignity intact while chasing goals that constantly slip out of reach. Nezar blocks her opportunities one after another until relying on him starts to feel like the only option she has, and that is how she gets trapped in his influence.
N_taii also confirmed that she does confess her feelings to Leto, not to start a relationship, but because she needs to acknowledge them honestly. Leto is caught off guard and fails to give her an answer in time, so she leaves when the girls call her. That small scene is meant to create doubt on Leto’s side and push him to question whether what he feels for her is simply friendship or something deeper. Lily then convinces herself that her feelings are impossible to realize and slowly shifts toward using sex for practical goals instead of emotional ones.
Now I want to clarify that what follows is my personal interpretation, based on what I have observed in the game. Lily clearly does not want to return home or end up like her mother, who lives in total dependence on the man Lily calls “her master.” In the latest update she even admits that Leto and Cyanna have succeeded in life and are now high in the social hierarchy, and that Rose is even higher. From her perspective she will never reach their level. Lily wants to be seen as capable and independent, not as someone who constantly needs others to rescue her.
In my view, Lily wants Leto to recognize her as someone strong who can stand on her own. She does not want to fall into a relationship dynamic where she depends on him the same way her mother depended on that man. That is also one of the reasons why she originally ran away from home. Leto helped her at a moment when she truly needed it, but she refuses to become someone he has to save again and again.
So while Lily makes mistakes, I would not say she has no excuse. She is dealing with insecurity, survival pressure, and a deep fear of repeating her mother’s life. These factors shape her choices far more than simple pride or stubbornness.
As for the side characters you listed, I actually haven’t discussed them with N_taii yet, so I don’t have enough concrete information to judge their motivations or future roles. Right now, I only see what the story shows on the surface, and that’s far too limited for me to say anything definitive about whether they feel guilt, whether they were fully aware of what they were helping with, or what their true intentions are supposed to be.
If you have specific questions about any of them, feel free to ask. I can bring those points to N_taii the next time he has a moment to answer me, since he has been very open to clarifying things when I relay questions from the community.
At the point where I've reached in the story Haylen has fully learned what a scumbag Jazon is and how he has manipulated her. She's dropped any illusions he is someone who needs her help.
And I get wanting to start a family and having kids, but with Jazon though? He's not someone anyone would look at and think 'this would be a good father and role model for my children.'
So yeah, there are things that don't make sense about her beyond she appears addicted to Jazon's D now.
I do have a query for N_tail though, but it's more of technical one. Do they have anyone editing the grammar? I note English is not their first language and despite that they do a phenomenal job with the writing. However, I do regularly encounter oddities in speech or improper use of certain words that makes me think the game would benefit from someone checking and editing the dialogue for grammar.
I don't want to seem like I'm knocking the game, because it is one of the best NTR games I've had the pleasure of playing.
I don't want to seem like I'm knocking the game, because it is one of the best NTR games I've had the pleasure of playing.
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Thanks for the detailed reply, End Genesis.
I see where you’re coming from, and honestly, your breakdown lines up with several conclusions I had already formed — especially regarding Rose. The way you describe her situation is basically the same analysis I’ve been commenting for a long while now, so on that point we’re in complete agreement.
— About Cyanna
My problem with Cyanna isn’t that i hate her or i'm hostile to her— it’s her inactivity, that bothers me.
She knows Ulrod exploited her guilt from what happened when they were kids.
She knows he manipulates her by using Leto as leverage.
And despite understanding all of that, she has never put a real stop to him. That’s what frustrates me.
Every time Ulrod comes up with a new scheme, does she draw a line? No!
We literally see her catch him having sex with a female guard — a guard she knows has a boyfriend.
What does Cyanna do?
She proceeds to let Ulrod have sex with her “epically,” just so he’s the one who kills the viscount instead of Leto.
And then, three Doritos later, Leto suggests that the viscount might have been framed and that Ulrod could be involved — and what does she do? She instantly defends Ulrod. Again.
It’s not hostility toward Cyanna. It’s frustration from seeing someone let herself be degraded repeatedly by the “great childhood friend who sacrificed himself for her.” It makes it hard for me to fully enjoy her story. And I’m almost certain that if Leto ever tried to stop the Duke like some masked vigilante, Cyanna would probably end up fighting on Ulrod’s side XD.
— About Haylen
Here I really have to disagree. Her children live in the same city.
She’s been the church’s priestess for years — everyone should know her.
It makes no sense that she chooses to spend her free time with someone she knows only wants to sleep with her.
By now she should know Jazon uses his “orphan story” just to appear vulnerable and lower her guard.
If she hasn’t realized it at this point in the story, then she’s either extremely naïve or just foolish. And that’s why I say she has no excuse anymore. She’s fallen so deeply into his manipulation that she allowed him to get one of her sisters-in-faith (Naevyr) pregnant. At that point, it’s no longer “misunderstanding” or “emotional exhaustion.” It’s simply bad judgment followed by worse decisions.
— About Lily
Pretty much everything you described matches my own view.
Lily built a kind of pride meant to impress people who don’t actually matter to her life.
She pushes herself to prove something no one really asked her to prove — least of all Leto.
And if you understand Leto’s character, you know he doesn’t care about wealth, glory, or social status.
Lily knows this. That’s why for me, her choices all come down to pride and stubbornness. Every time she rejected help — especially from someone who genuinely only wants her wellbeing — she just dug herself deeper.
As Lord Bills would say:
“It’s rare for a Saiyan to be this proud.” XD
— About the secondary characters
No problem. If you get more info from N_taii later, feel free to share it. I’m always interested in understanding the bigger picture, whether it changes my opinions or reinforces them.
Overall, thanks again for explaining everything. Even if we don’t agree on every point, it’s great to see someone actually take the time to break the story down instead of just throwing insults. And of course, if you talk to N_taii again, feel free to ask him anything from my side.
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I actually understand your frustration with Cyanna, and you’re not the only one who feels that way. I also get irritated by how passive she can be, especially when it comes to Ulrod. But after discussing her character directly with N_taii this weekend, a few things became clearer for me.
Cyanna isn’t inactive because she accepts Ulrod’s behavior, or because she thinks he’s a good person. What N_taii explained is that Cyanna is physically strong but mentally extremely fragile. She doubts herself constantly, she carries guilt about the past, and Ulrod has been exploiting that weakness for a long time. He tears her down and comforts her right after, creating a form of emotional dependence. When she is with him, all her doubts stop, so she keeps returning to that “silence”, even if it hurts her.
From Cyanna’s perspective, keeping Ulrod stable also means keeping Leto safe. That doesn’t justify her choices, but it explains why she doesn’t draw a line. She prioritizes Leto even when it destroys her. N_taii also confirmed that she did consider using Rose’s betrayal to get closer to Leto, but decided not to because she didn’t want to hurt him. That alone says a lot about how she thinks.
As for the other scenes you mentioned, I can’t comment much on the viscount part because N_taii didn’t talk about that specific detail. But overall, her behaviour is the combination of emotional manipulation, guilt, dependence, and the belief that she has no chance with Leto as long as Rose exists. She sees Rose as an unbeatable rival, and that hopelessness pushes her further into Ulrod’s influence.
I don’t disagree that it’s frustrating. Cyanna is honestly my favorite girl in terms of design and personality, and seeing her sink deeper into this mess is painful. But knowing the psychological angle behind her actions helps me understand why she isn’t “fighting back” yet. And personally, I still hope for a route where she finally snaps out of Ulrod’s control and chooses Leto for herself. I’d love to see a real confrontation—especially if Ulrod ever tries to harm Leto.
About Haylen, I understand your frustration, but I think part of the problem is that we, as players, still don’t have all the information needed to judge her fairly. When I talked with N_taii, he told me very clearly that there are still missing pieces of her arc that haven’t been revealed yet, and that her behavior will only make full sense once those elements are introduced later.
So it’s not about giving her an excuse, and it’s not about pretending she isn’t making terrible decisions. It’s simply that her motivations are not fully shown to the player yet, and that naturally creates a gap between what she knows internally and what we perceive from the outside.
I agree with you that on the surface, her choices look awful. She protects Jazon, she ignores warnings, and she gets involved with someone who clearly does not have good intentions. But based on what the developer said, the full context behind her actions hasn’t been revealed yet, and some of the key reasons explaining why she behaves this way will be addressed later in the story.
For now, I prefer to wait until we see the missing parts before judging her completely. Once these new elements are introduced, we’ll finally be able to understand what pushed her into this situation and whether she deserves blame, sympathy, or something in between.
About Lily, I mostly agree with what you said, but I also think her situation is a bit more nuanced than just “pride and stubbornness".
From what we’ve seen so far, Lily is terrified of becoming like her mother : dependent, powerless, and controlled by a man she calls “her master”. She ran away precisely because she refuses to fall into the same pattern, and Leto was the first person who ever helped her when she was at her lowest.
In the latest update, she practically says it herself: Leto and Cyanna have already succeeded and reached the top of the social hierarchy, and Rose is even higher. Lily feels like she will never be able to match them, and she desperately wants to be seen as someone capable, independent, and strong. She wants Leto to see her as a fighter, not as someone who always needs saving.
It doesn’t excuse her choices, especially when rejecting help only made her problems worse, but I think her motivations come from insecurity and fear, not just pride.
She’s constantly trying to prove her value because she doesn’t want to return home defeated and become “another version of her mother”.
Still, I agree with you that refusing Leto’s help again and again was a terrible decision. He’s probably the one person who truly cares about her without expecting anything in return. But even then, I believe Lily’s actions come from a genuine desire to stand on her own feet, not from arrogance. And since N_taii confirmed her arc is intentionally written this way, I’m curious to see how she grows from here, because she definitely needs to face the consequences of trying to handle everything alone.
To be honest, most secondary characters did not interest me much, except a few like the tribal girl who could genuinely become love material for Leto in an NTR ending where he is abandoned. She is one of the only side characters who feels meaningful.
From what I discussed with N_taii, he seems less focused on “pure NTR” than before, and that gives me hope. He agreed that NTR needs real purpose instead of women falling for a moment of pleasure. Their betrayal should have a narrative reason, not just hentai logic.
For Rose, it is easy to imagine her turning fully toward the Duke once Leto is gone. Without him she loses a burden and naively follows the Duke’s plans, believing he is helping her people. Cyanna is already mentally broken and manipulated, so in an NTR ending she would bury herself in sex to escape her emotions. Lily would focus entirely on her ambition after confessing to Leto, and Helen would try to build a new “family” with Jason, which would obviously end in disaster.
We can even imagine scenes like Jason stealing Cyanna from Kilroy, since both Helen and Cyanna would trust him simply because he is connected to Leto.
Even though I did not play HC3 for the NTR, I hope the NTR endings make sense. One of them might even feel like netorase, with Leto being oblivious or silently accepting it. His nightmares already hint at this, especially the dream where he sees Rose with other men after hearing a soldier talk about his unfaithful girlfriend.
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To take a step back from Henteria specifically and put on my Big Story Nerd glasses:
I think it is also very important to distinguish between a story or character arc making sense and it being enjoyable as a piece of fiction. A lack of logic (or the mistaken perception of it) can sometimes negatively affect the quality of a narrative, like when a story carelessly breaks its own established rules or misleads the audience in a dishonest way... but a character arc making sense doesn't inherently make it satisfying. A series of events can be perfectly logical, and still make for a bad or mediocre story.
So unless there is some crucial misunderstanding where the person voicing a complaint missed some key detail and is clearly confused, explaining in detail why a character makes certain choices doesn't really do anything to address the emotional core of that person's experience. When someone starts nitpicking at the logic of why a character does [x] or didn't do [y] instead, it is usually the first sign that the story failed to keep them invested on a deeper level, because a key part of fiction is the suspension of disbelief; that if you are fully engaged with something, you are willing to overlook minor plot holes or characters making strange choices because you are under its spell and it feels real to your imagination.
There's an old political saying that I think rings just as true when it comes to storytelling in this sense: "if you're explaining, you're losing."
I would liken it to being bored of an action game because all of the guns feel terrible to use when they're so weak or just have awful sound design that makes them feel like cheap airsoft rifles... and then the game suddenly gives you a much better gun, which feels fantastic! But only lets you use it for the final level, which lasts about 15-20 minutes. Does that suddenly make the five hours leading up to that feel more rewarding and engaging? I certainly don't think so.
The time to tell a good story is throughout the whole story, not waiting until the very last minute to drop some bombshell reveal that makes it good in hindsight. For a two hour movie in one sitting, that is workable... but for an 8+ hour game that some people have been following and playing for multiple years, it's almost impossible to pull off because some of those memories are from 2023. By this point, that cement is dry and solidified.
I think it is also very important to distinguish between a story or character arc making sense and it being enjoyable as a piece of fiction. A lack of logic (or the mistaken perception of it) can sometimes negatively affect the quality of a narrative, like when a story carelessly breaks its own established rules or misleads the audience in a dishonest way... but a character arc making sense doesn't inherently make it satisfying. A series of events can be perfectly logical, and still make for a bad or mediocre story.
So unless there is some crucial misunderstanding where the person voicing a complaint missed some key detail and is clearly confused, explaining in detail why a character makes certain choices doesn't really do anything to address the emotional core of that person's experience. When someone starts nitpicking at the logic of why a character does [x] or didn't do [y] instead, it is usually the first sign that the story failed to keep them invested on a deeper level, because a key part of fiction is the suspension of disbelief; that if you are fully engaged with something, you are willing to overlook minor plot holes or characters making strange choices because you are under its spell and it feels real to your imagination.
There's an old political saying that I think rings just as true when it comes to storytelling in this sense: "if you're explaining, you're losing."
And in the same general school of thought, I'm... honestly not a huge fan of this "wait and see" approach to addressing criticism when we are basically right on the precipice of the big finale, like there is still some massive reveal waiting to be dropped which will retroactively solve most of the complaints. The quality of a story (or character) shouldn't hinge on that final puzzle piece falling into place at the very end, because that just makes everything before that feel like time that could've been spent in a much better way.
I would liken it to being bored of an action game because all of the guns feel terrible to use when they're so weak or just have awful sound design that makes them feel like cheap airsoft rifles... and then the game suddenly gives you a much better gun, which feels fantastic! But only lets you use it for the final level, which lasts about 15-20 minutes. Does that suddenly make the five hours leading up to that feel more rewarding and engaging? I certainly don't think so.
The time to tell a good story is throughout the whole story, not waiting until the very last minute to drop some bombshell reveal that makes it good in hindsight. For a two hour movie in one sitting, that is workable... but for an 8+ hour game that some people have been following and playing for multiple years, it's almost impossible to pull off because some of those memories are from 2023. By this point, that cement is dry and solidified.
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You are absolutely right that coherence does not automatically equal emotional satisfaction. A story can be perfectly logical and still fall flat for some players. I am not trying to argue that “explaining the logic” fixes anyone’s emotional disappointment. My point is only that N_taii does have a very clear direction for each heroine, even if the emotional payoff is not landing for every player yet.
I am not claiming that the experience is automatically satisfying simply because it makes sense. I am only explaining why certain choices were written that way, not why everyone should enjoy them.
This is also true in many cases. If a story captures someone emotionally, they naturally overlook small inconsistencies. The thing is, Henteria uses a very “hentai logic” style of storytelling, where emotional reactions are intentionally exaggerated or morally questionable. Because of this, some players disconnect emotionally much earlier than they would in a more traditional narrative.
I do not think players are “wrong” to feel that disconnection. HC3 is built on tropes that always divide people: inevitable NTR, morally gray choices, heroines manipulated by authority figures, and slow-burn revelations. For some players, that creates immersion. For others, it breaks it. And that is normal.
I understand the meaning behind this quote, and it applies well to mainstream storytelling. In the case of Henteria, though, players already expect a lot of morally questionable and emotionally heavy developments. The series has always been upfront about its structure: the MC gets cheated on, the NTR is inevitable, and the heroines make bad choices under pressure.
Because Henteria Chronicles openly markets itself on these tropes, explaining the motivations is less about “fixing a failure” and more about “clarifying the author’s intention”. It is a niche genre where many players want to understand the psychological chain of events behind the corruption.
I understand that frustration completely, and it would be a problem if the entire narrative depended on a single twist. But in the case of Helen specifically, it is not about repairing the whole story. It is about filling in the missing pieces of her personal arc.
Her motivations were intentionally not fully revealed yet, and N_taii explained that some parts of her past will be important. He is not trying to “retroactively fix” the story, but rather to complete her character arc, which was always planned to be delivered in stages.
For the other heroines, the narrative motivations are already established:
- Cyanna sacrifices herself to save Leto
- Rose thinks she is protecting both, Leto and her people
- Lily is torn between ambition and love
Only Helen remains partially unexplained, which is precisely why he plans to expand her route.
I agree with the principle, but Henteria Chronicles has always followed a very specific narrative structure, similar to corruption VNs and hentai story arcs. The heroines’ motivations do not appear all at once. The game deliberately reveals information progressively, sometimes in a way that feels frustrating for players who prefer constant emotional payoffs.
However, this structure is also what creates the slow-burn tension and anxiety that fans of the series enjoy. It is a stylistic choice more than a narrative mistake.
I also think it is important to separate two things:
- Emotional dissatisfaction
- Narrative incoherence
The latter is not really what is happening here, since N_taii genuinely knows where he is going with each heroine.
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Tried my best to ai generate Haylen with my ass laptop...
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Everyone is looking at the game from an omniscient perspective; no one would be interested in a promiscuous woman who constantly makes excuses for herself.
ryg88
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Prolly because for some it's a chore to go thru the Partial MC POV first play-through and then go to the Omniscient POV from the start for a 2nd play-through. It's like playing the game twice. Not just HC3 but many other games do this too.
An alternative way to do this w/o having to make 2 different POVs is just to have the Partial MC POV as default and only go to the Omniscient POV at certain points in the game when choices are made. Sort of like:
An alternative way to do this w/o having to make 2 different POVs is just to have the Partial MC POV as default and only go to the Omniscient POV at certain points in the game when choices are made. Sort of like:
- Default mode is MC POV.
- At certain points, player is presented the choice "Continue w/ MC POV" or "Go to FMC POV."
- 1st choice proceeds w/ the game as usual. 2nd choice shows what's happening to the FMC while the 1st choice is happening for the MC.
- After the scenario of the 2nd choice is done, the player is then returned to the MC POV.