I'm glad people are still on the "We hate Cyanna" bandwagon. Her character is actually why I stopped playing HC3. Reached a point where her behaviour in important situations was so all over the place that I stopped being able to pay attention anymore. I found myself holding down control to speed through all of her scenes. I realized at that point I had lost interest in Haylen because Jazon is such a boring NTR partner for her, and I had stopped paying attention to Lily's content too. I was fast forwarding more than I wasn't so I just... stopped.
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I understand why many people are disappointed by the girls’ behavior, but honestly, if you’ve played the previous Henteria Chronicles games, none of this should really come as a surprise. They’re written in the same spirit as the earlier heroines: flawed, emotionally vulnerable, and capable of terrible decisions when pushed into a corner.
Yes, their choices are questionable, sometimes even infuriating, but that’s the core of NTR storytelling. HC3 includes unavoidable NTR, and most of the scenes revolve around adultery, whether it’s Rose cheating on Leto despite being in an official relationship with him, or the other girls, who also love Leto, sleeping with another man because they believe they have no chance with him or because they think it is the only way to protect him, even if it means losing pieces of themselves in the process.
The more they fall into darkness, the harder they’ll be to forgive, and that’s why I think once the game is fully completed, we’ll finally be able to analyze the whole picture, just like I did with HC2, and clearly see what worked, what didn’t, and what could help N_taii fine-tune HC4 and future projects.
One thing I appreciate deeply in HC is that, aside from the true ending of HC2 which ends on a cliffhanger regarding Celis’s fate, the games never cut to black suddenly without closure.
A lot of NTR creators love to leave the ending to the reader’s imagination, but personally, I hate that. When we pay for an emotional story, we want to see the author’s intended conclusion, not imagine it ourselves.
And I’m one of the rare people who doesn’t enjoy “abrupt endings” where the MC blocks the adultery and the story just stops. It’s predictable and lacks creativity.
Many NTR games focus only on the interloper, ignoring the MC entirely. HC is different: we actually get endings where the MC has his own intimate scenes too, and that’s refreshing. I wish more NTR stories would let the MC be a real man who can sleep with his girlfriend instead of being treated like a useless doormat.
As for the girls themselves:
Rose’s case is complicated, because she genuinely believes she’s doing what she must for the sake of her kingdom and for Leto.
Cyanna is emotionally tied to Ulrod. Whether he “loves” her or just wants her as a trophy is unclear, but a dynamic similar to BSS (Boku Saki Suki) would have been interesting. What is clear is that Cyanna repeats again and again that everything she does is for Leto, and that she has zero romantic feelings for Ulrod. She doesn’t say no to sex because it has become her way to numb herself, but the more she gives in, the worse she looks to the players.
She’s extremely easy to manipulate, and Ulrod shapes her thinking little by little. It’s dangerous for Leto, and I think N_taii chose this direction specifically to make the NTR feel more realistic instead of relying on cheap plot devices.
And that’s one thing I am genuinely thankful for:
N_taii hates using “easy excuses” like brainwashing, magic, potions, hypnosis, or any form of forced behavior. The corruption here is emotional, psychological, and grounded in human weakness. Most of the girls don’t do these things out of desire, but because they see no other escape.
As for Lily, she reflects a specific type of NTR heroine too: someone who wants independence so desperately that she refuses the help of the one person who truly cares about her, because she doesn’t want to end up like her mother, dependent on a man she calls her “master.” Lily ran away from home because of that, and Leto was the one who helped her the moment she needed it the most. She wants to be recognized as strong, not as someone who always relies on others.
In general, though, what frustrates me in many NTR works—including Fuufu Koukan, which I follow intensely—is how easily women give in. I prefer when heroines resist multiple times before eventually falling, because that makes the corruption meaningful and believable.
Fuufu Koukan is a good example.
Kousuke is, in my eyes, a terrible character. He never deserved Kanade or Asuka. He met both only thanks to Reiji. When Kanade was in danger, he wanted to walk away, and it was Reiji who stepped in to protect her. Kousuke tried to stop him out of cowardice, and then later tried to seduce Kanade while she slept.
I have zero sympathy for him, and I hope Kanade eventually sees him for what he truly is.
But I’m afraid the author may try to make the couples switch permanently, or continue the swapping. Personally, I hope every character drops Kousuke. He’s not a friend. He’s a predator. He doesn’t care about Reiji or Asuka, and Asuka only stayed with him because she was emotionally vulnerable.
She even found someone better (Sakata), but now she’s back with Reiji, so Sakata will probably end up alone unless he gets dragged into the swapping too.
If I were to ever create my own NTR game, I would make everything fully believable, even if it meant spending months finding the right logic and emotional reasoning. Very few works do that properly. There are some exceptions like Aitsu no Kanojo, NTRevenge, Kanojo no Tomodachi, Silent Wars, or Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki, but they’re rare.
Yes, their choices are questionable, sometimes even infuriating, but that’s the core of NTR storytelling. HC3 includes unavoidable NTR, and most of the scenes revolve around adultery, whether it’s Rose cheating on Leto despite being in an official relationship with him, or the other girls, who also love Leto, sleeping with another man because they believe they have no chance with him or because they think it is the only way to protect him, even if it means losing pieces of themselves in the process.
The more they fall into darkness, the harder they’ll be to forgive, and that’s why I think once the game is fully completed, we’ll finally be able to analyze the whole picture, just like I did with HC2, and clearly see what worked, what didn’t, and what could help N_taii fine-tune HC4 and future projects.
One thing I appreciate deeply in HC is that, aside from the true ending of HC2 which ends on a cliffhanger regarding Celis’s fate, the games never cut to black suddenly without closure.
A lot of NTR creators love to leave the ending to the reader’s imagination, but personally, I hate that. When we pay for an emotional story, we want to see the author’s intended conclusion, not imagine it ourselves.
And I’m one of the rare people who doesn’t enjoy “abrupt endings” where the MC blocks the adultery and the story just stops. It’s predictable and lacks creativity.
Many NTR games focus only on the interloper, ignoring the MC entirely. HC is different: we actually get endings where the MC has his own intimate scenes too, and that’s refreshing. I wish more NTR stories would let the MC be a real man who can sleep with his girlfriend instead of being treated like a useless doormat.
As for the girls themselves:
Rose’s case is complicated, because she genuinely believes she’s doing what she must for the sake of her kingdom and for Leto.
Cyanna is emotionally tied to Ulrod. Whether he “loves” her or just wants her as a trophy is unclear, but a dynamic similar to BSS (Boku Saki Suki) would have been interesting. What is clear is that Cyanna repeats again and again that everything she does is for Leto, and that she has zero romantic feelings for Ulrod. She doesn’t say no to sex because it has become her way to numb herself, but the more she gives in, the worse she looks to the players.
She’s extremely easy to manipulate, and Ulrod shapes her thinking little by little. It’s dangerous for Leto, and I think N_taii chose this direction specifically to make the NTR feel more realistic instead of relying on cheap plot devices.
And that’s one thing I am genuinely thankful for:
N_taii hates using “easy excuses” like brainwashing, magic, potions, hypnosis, or any form of forced behavior. The corruption here is emotional, psychological, and grounded in human weakness. Most of the girls don’t do these things out of desire, but because they see no other escape.
As for Lily, she reflects a specific type of NTR heroine too: someone who wants independence so desperately that she refuses the help of the one person who truly cares about her, because she doesn’t want to end up like her mother, dependent on a man she calls her “master.” Lily ran away from home because of that, and Leto was the one who helped her the moment she needed it the most. She wants to be recognized as strong, not as someone who always relies on others.
In general, though, what frustrates me in many NTR works—including Fuufu Koukan, which I follow intensely—is how easily women give in. I prefer when heroines resist multiple times before eventually falling, because that makes the corruption meaningful and believable.
Fuufu Koukan is a good example.
Kousuke is, in my eyes, a terrible character. He never deserved Kanade or Asuka. He met both only thanks to Reiji. When Kanade was in danger, he wanted to walk away, and it was Reiji who stepped in to protect her. Kousuke tried to stop him out of cowardice, and then later tried to seduce Kanade while she slept.
I have zero sympathy for him, and I hope Kanade eventually sees him for what he truly is.
But I’m afraid the author may try to make the couples switch permanently, or continue the swapping. Personally, I hope every character drops Kousuke. He’s not a friend. He’s a predator. He doesn’t care about Reiji or Asuka, and Asuka only stayed with him because she was emotionally vulnerable.
She even found someone better (Sakata), but now she’s back with Reiji, so Sakata will probably end up alone unless he gets dragged into the swapping too.
If I were to ever create my own NTR game, I would make everything fully believable, even if it meant spending months finding the right logic and emotional reasoning. Very few works do that properly. There are some exceptions like Aitsu no Kanojo, NTRevenge, Kanojo no Tomodachi, Silent Wars, or Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki, but they’re rare.
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Essentially, everything is written accurately. And N_Tai actually wrote the NTR story very well. But my only complaint is that the happy ending sort of goes something like this: "Everything is fine, we forgive each other."
And that's why I really hope that this time the good ending will be a good one for Leto. Otherwise, why the hell does he get two bad NTR endings and a revenge ending, and you want him to suffer in the good ending? Those who played HC2 will understand what I mean.
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I agree that the happy ending should be for Leto, not the heroines. Even if he were to forgive them, he doesn't have to end up with them. Nobody wants trash, right? The guy deserves a good life in the happy ending.
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You don’t know BSS (Boku Saki Suki)?
It refers to a specific NTR pattern where a boy is the first to know or like a girl, but because he never confesses, another man ends up taking her before he does. The core idea is “I liked her first, but someone else took her”.
In HC3, Ulrod can be loosely compared to that pattern.
He and Cyanna were childhood friends, then they were separated for years. During that time Cyanna met Leto and developed feelings for him instead. So Ulrod is the “first one”, but Cyanna’s romantic interest shifted to Leto.
It is not a strict BSS case though.
Ulrod already has a sexual relationship with Cyanna, so even if he never wins her affection, he has already been physically involved with her.
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I wouldn’t go as far as calling the female characters in HC3—whether main or secondary—trash. They’re individual beings who reflect and highlight human fragility and stupidity, something N_taii has managed to portray far better than many authors. Because I have to admit, it’s one thing to speak as a spectator and judge, and a very different thing to actually be the person in the situation, having to make a decision that could affect your own life or the lives of others, and end up hurting loved ones. And me, who speaks harshly from the spectator’s point of view, I can acknowledge that. Besides, if we were in N_taii’s position, the last thing I’d really want is to hear someone calling the characters I created ‘trash’ XD.
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Personally, I also hope the happy ending will truly be a good ending for Leto. And more importantly, I hope it will be something unexpected. I love when a game manages to surprise me in a meaningful way.
We already know there will be two NTR endings, but we still have no idea what form they will take. For example, we don’t know if Rose will still stay with Leto in those endings or if she will continue doing things behind his back. At this stage, anything we say is speculation. What I do know is that the number and the nature of the endings have changed a lot since I first started talking with N_taii about Henteria Chronicles. In fact, the game was not even meant to be split into two parts originally.
Because the project has grown in scope, just like NTR Online, N_taii will eventually have to tackle some technical and narrative challenges. One of the main ones is how the moral choices affect the finale. HC3 already includes a few choices that are supposed to influence the outcome, but I have never seen a single RPG Maker game that can transfer save data and branching decisions into a fully separate Part 2. This is something Ren'Py visual novels can do easily, but in RPG Maker it is extremely rare. So I wonder if those choices will be reintroduced or expanded directly inside Part 2 instead.
From what I can see, the choices probably don’t affect anything yet in Part 1. Which means most of their impact will likely appear in Part 2.
But now that the game is officially split into two parts, that actually opens the door to more possibilities. Originally, I was afraid there would not be enough space for multiple endings. But with the addition of a full second part, it would be a pity if Part 2 consisted only of the endings. With this extra room, we can hope for a longer story and more content building up to the conclusions.
Personally, I would love to see more dynamic endings where the player can interact and make meaningful decisions. For example, even if Leto forgives Rose in the good ending, he could still choose not to remain with her. That would open optional paths such as a harem ending with Rose, Helen, Cyanna and Lily, or smaller combinations, or even a route with certain NPCs like the tribal girl who has good chemistry with Leto.
Of course, I know the amount of work this represents. N_taii explained to me the constraints involved, so I doubt we will get something that large. But he did mention the possibility of a good ending with a few optional sub-choices.
One of the things I enjoyed most in HC2 was the revenge ending, where you could interact with characters and decide their fate, like a small sandbox epilogue inside the game. Since this has already been done once, it is definitely possible. And I really hope Part 2 of HC3 will include something similar. After everything Leto goes through, having an interactive finale would be the best way for players to feel rewarded and to experience the story from a different perspective.
As I mentioned earlier, I completely agree that the happy ending should be something truly good for Leto. He deserves a proper payoff after everything he goes through. I really hope the final route will reflect that and satisfy all of us.
That said, I personally wouldn’t call any of the girls trash. Their actions are questionable, sure, and some of them make terrible decisions, but that is part of the narrative theme and the human flaws N_taii likes to write. Even if we disagree with their choices, I don’t see them as disposable.
I agree with you on that. Calling them “trash” feels way too reductive considering the way N_taii writes his characters. They’re flawed, weak, emotional, and sometimes downright stupid in their choices — but that’s exactly what makes HC3 interesting. It mirrors the kind of mistakes real people make when they’re scared, pressured, or emotionally overwhelmed.
As spectators, it’s easy to say what they should have done. But inside the situation, with limited information and distorted emotions, their choices make more sense — even if they’re still painful to watch.
And honestly, if I were creating these characters myself, I wouldn’t want people to just dismiss them as garbage either. Better to criticize their decisions than to erase all the nuance behind them.
i think you guys are taking this «trash» thing wrong. you see if you watch a movie that shows a character that does very messed up things, either he is a side character, antagonist, protagonist etc... if the story and especially that character is «well written» you would say to yourself,«what a fuckin scumbag», or you would hate that character for what hes done, even if it was just a mistake, manipulation or any other reason.
but if its not well written, you wont feel any disgust or hatred, so i think calling them trash is not a bad point for what they have done till this point.
an example would be hannibal, in hannibal series, he has such a powerful writing and acting that you are always cursing him for the entire show, why? because hes «well written and shown».
and i must add when something is «bad», you can't make it good by saying «well he just got manipulated» this only makes the reason behind that action understandable. you can't justify anything just by that line because at the end, the choice is always yours and the girls «chose» to feel good at the end, and honestly defending them is a little questionable, so i think he called them «trash» because they show very well how disgusting betreyal can be by a good writing, not because the base characters are garbage.
edit: sorry i shoulve added this xd, its funny tho how you guys talk about spectators point of view and all, cause i believe if any one of us be in letos shoes for even a second, we don't even care what was the reason for all this betreyals, we all be traumatized to the point we hate everything and everyone for a long ass time before we get to the healing part, and honestly, i don't think anyone can get healed completely after this.
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Well, honestly, it’s a pretty complicated debate. Like Deadpool said when fighting those two girls in the first movie: 'I’m so confused—Is it sexist to hit you? Is it more sexist not to hit you!? because the line is really thin!' XD. Because if we’re talking about trash-talking a character for being insanely well-written, then that’s a different story. But I’m like 99.99% sure he didn’t mean it for that reason XD. I’ll leave a 0.01% chance just in case XD
you can never be sure until he say it himself what he meant, but well even if he meant that trash talking, be honest bro if you were in letos shoes, wouldn't you call the heroines trash as well?
if he said it while looking at the story from letos perspective, I'd say he could have said more.
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That's why I also said it's a complicated debate, with a very thin line XD
Rose specifically shouldn't so much as sniff a happy ending. Her betrayal of Leto is so complete that she's essentially willingly enslaved herself to the duke just so she could get a load of cum dumped up her ass. Rose's "happy ending" should be one where she remains queen but loses everything she wanted. No Leto, no friends, no parents, no peacekeepers. Just a sad, lonely life where a steady stream of random dick is the only thing that keeps her from ending it. Everyone but her and Cyanna should be happy while she is forced to raise the ugly baby of a fat, dead duke.
I disagree. I think the bad ending for the heroines should belong in the revenge ending, not the happy one. What you just described is the perfect embodiment of what the revenge ending should be about: Leto discovering the betrayal, letting his anger take over, and seeking revenge against those who wronged him.
Meanwhile, the happy ending should focus on Leto choosing to forgive the heroines and taking the path of a true hero—where justice is served to the Duke and Ulrod for their betrayals, but Leto himself chooses to move on from what happened. He becomes the hero he should have been if the Duke and Ulrod hadn’t interfered in the story. A happy ending doesn’t mean he has to restore the same relationship with the girls, but at the very least, he shouldn’t remain angry anymore.
In short:
- Revenge ending: Leto chooses wrath.
- Happy ending: Leto chooses forgiveness and refuses to let the betrayal define him.
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