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Dont take this away from me!
But really, you are just describing a slight variation of the ending you are 100% gonna get, why piss in my cereal
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Since the update isn't out on itch.io yet and I'm still contemplating whether I want to grab it ASAP or wait for the next one so that I can play the "full" beach story in one go, I've been stuck thinking about how the endings will work now all morning and just feel like idly theorizing a bit.
Trying to puzzle things out from the bits and pieces of information:
Just looking at them, it makes me think that the obvious choice would be to condense things back down to three endings by merging the "whore NTR" ending into the Revenge ending. Have him just become as cruel and cold as we saw in the king's flashback (if not even more so), where he marries Rose and takes the throne... but only does it out of necessity (his duty to protect the kingdom and more personally, a pathological need for control after being inevitably betrayed by his closest loved ones), with no room in his heart to actually forgive her or the other three for hurting him so deeply. By necessity, if Cyanna and Haylen can't have any interaction with Leto... That puts the Revenge ending in a bad spot for them having any content, since it would need to be with other characters and the villains probably aren't going to be around in that ending.
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But then on a separate train of thought, I'm also wondering how it would work to handle the choice on which NTR ending you get with the current plan. With how the ending is determined so far by tallying up your dialogue choices, it would need to be a binary choice once you're locked into the NTR path. But having the player pick an option which does nothing other than arbitrarily determine if the villains are open to sharing or not would be more than a little abrupt. Especially for a character like Ulrod, where the brothel quest made it pretty damn explicit that he would not be open that.
And that makes me wonder if the "whore NTR" ending would actually make more sense as a variant of the Happy ending instead, where Leto thwarts the conspiracy either way, but is given an obvious (to the player) choice between doing it the right way, which leads to the Happy ending... or some foolish and naïve way, which gives you the Bad/"Hollow" ending version instead, where the villains are defeated, but Leto's life still slowly falls apart even in their absence because picking that foolish option is a confirmation that Leto (in this ending) hasn't actually changed or learned anything throughout the story. In a thematic sense, the Bad ending is a punishment for his stagnation while the Happy ending is a reward for his growth.
Trying to puzzle things out from the bits and pieces of information:
- Happy Ending — I always assumed this was going to be very Rose-focused, because it's supposed to be the most "vanilla" romantic path and having that end on a harem would've been... surprising, to say the least. And unlike the NTR ending, I don't recall ever seeing any mention of it potentially having its own mini-branch, like where you could get the normal "marry Rose" ending or the "everyone falls in love with Leto" golden ending on top of that.
- NTR Ending — Exactly what you'd expect from the name, and we know it's supposed to have two versions; one where the villains keep the girls for themselves, and another where they get shared around... but we have no idea how what the context could be to choose between those. I mean, obviously, that would be massive spoilers.
- Revenge Ending — The biggest question mark in my head right now, because I felt like this was almost certainly going to be the one that involved the harem by process of elimination, and now that it is off the table, it's just a total blank slate in my brain and I have no clue what to expect.
Just looking at them, it makes me think that the obvious choice would be to condense things back down to three endings by merging the "whore NTR" ending into the Revenge ending. Have him just become as cruel and cold as we saw in the king's flashback (if not even more so), where he marries Rose and takes the throne... but only does it out of necessity (his duty to protect the kingdom and more personally, a pathological need for control after being inevitably betrayed by his closest loved ones), with no room in his heart to actually forgive her or the other three for hurting him so deeply. By necessity, if Cyanna and Haylen can't have any interaction with Leto... That puts the Revenge ending in a bad spot for them having any content, since it would need to be with other characters and the villains probably aren't going to be around in that ending.
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But then on a separate train of thought, I'm also wondering how it would work to handle the choice on which NTR ending you get with the current plan. With how the ending is determined so far by tallying up your dialogue choices, it would need to be a binary choice once you're locked into the NTR path. But having the player pick an option which does nothing other than arbitrarily determine if the villains are open to sharing or not would be more than a little abrupt. Especially for a character like Ulrod, where the brothel quest made it pretty damn explicit that he would not be open that.
And that makes me wonder if the "whore NTR" ending would actually make more sense as a variant of the Happy ending instead, where Leto thwarts the conspiracy either way, but is given an obvious (to the player) choice between doing it the right way, which leads to the Happy ending... or some foolish and naïve way, which gives you the Bad/"Hollow" ending version instead, where the villains are defeated, but Leto's life still slowly falls apart even in their absence because picking that foolish option is a confirmation that Leto (in this ending) hasn't actually changed or learned anything throughout the story. In a thematic sense, the Bad ending is a punishment for his stagnation while the Happy ending is a reward for his growth.
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Damn, you're one train of thought away from becoming a train station, luckly for you i'll gladly provide that one more train to keep you up at night, if you wanna brainstorm about HC3 then come up with something for this:
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my 9/11 was today, there will be no true ending and next game there will be no mom ntr, oh my god!!!
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I look at that image, and the very first thing that pops into my head is the lingering trauma of another game that came out recently, which forces you to navigate a maze with a filter over your screen that follows you around as you move.
I swear, I almost lost my mind during that.
The second thing that pops into my head, however, is that it would actually make a perfect setpiece for another Leto nightmare sequence without the need to fit it somewhere in the actual world like the beach or the city. Filling the maze with mysterious silhouettes having sex, and Leto's hazy dream logic is this instinctive "I need to find Rose, she is in trouble" with no actual reason given to the player, like it's just a gut feeling that he can't put into words or justify. The silhouettes could either be purely background decoration as you work your way to the end, or that you need to actually seek them out at the various dead ends and reveal them one by one, which could get into some more playful character combinations of Leto's subconscious paranoia running wild instead of having his suspicions be spot on with every single one.
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Not nearly as much as it might seem, honestly! Like the part in Chapter 2 where Noah finds out what is happening behind his back and starts moping around the house in a fugue state... That was pretty rough to get through because it twisted the knife just a little too hard for me. That's just the double-edged blade with good writing!
... but then again, I'm also the odd one out where so many people think Cyanna's storyline is too sad to be enjoyable, while I'm just 100% unfazed by it and am crossing my fingers for it to get even bleaker.
... but then again, I'm also the odd one out where so many people think Cyanna's storyline is too sad to be enjoyable, while I'm just 100% unfazed by it and am crossing my fingers for it to get even bleaker.
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Oh I very much disagree. The Duke has now become a big deal to Cyanna as well.
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Edit: haha I just realised I didn't disagree with OP, I just misread his comment. Whelp. The point still stands though!
Words fail to describe how much I love this idea. I feel like the moments inside Leto's head are always standouts to me. I guess because they are the only window into his inner turmoil. So even though they are "not real" they are very much impactful. I guess it speak more to the NTR side of things than the corruption aspect of the game.Miss Y said:
I never even considered that the dream sequences have the added benefit of allowing different couplings. One could debate if that adds or subtracts to them though.
Damn, now I have to come up with a cool pitch for a dream sequence of my own. You've made me feel inadequate in comparison.
Wait.... oh noooo.
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I guess it's just that part of the story where everyone fucks making it hard to make things exciting compared to when they were still holding back pre update 12-ish?
I was coasting through the update when the final scene between duke and rose took me off the road and I was expecting their scene not Cyanna's so fuck me.
I was coasting through the update when the final scene between duke and rose took me off the road and I was expecting their scene not Cyanna's so fuck me.
Well, I didn't say there would be no mom NTR, just that the MC will have to keep their hands off her in the happy and revenge ending. I'm not promising a NTR mom either though, I haven't given it enough thought to be sure^^
I like the idea of using the maze as the background for a nightmare sequence. I've already figured out what kind of scene I want to add with it before that (it'll involve Cyanna), but having Leto navigate it in the real world first would make it more believable if it shows up during his sleep later on. There will be a few elements to feed his paranoia earlier in the update, so it works even better^^
Aywin* No worries about the name, I too tend to forget them at times^^
Sure, but Leto didn't have sex with her.
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That's wonderful!! So, there's still hope... I'm really not into incest, so I don't think it's a big loss, but my condolences to those who do F.
but leto is not related by blood to Haylen or Cyanna so it would practically not be incest, although they grew up together they do not have any blood family relationship, I say if we are in that situation then they should also prohibit the relationships of leto / rose / Lily as well, they have known each other since they were children and they grew up practically sharing their entire childhood, honestly it seems silly to me, seriously I don't know what patreon is thinking by prohibiting the content of stepmother / stepson, stepbrother / stepsister relationships and other types of adopted family relationships, it is practically what is selling the most right now.
If we are in that situation then they should have also banned the content of Uldro/Cyanna, they grew up a good part of their childhood knowing each other, even though they separated when they were children, following all that plot logic all the characters who have known each other as children and have shared a good part of their childhood together should be prohibited from having adult sex even if they are not related by blood, again I say it, truly stupid.
I say for patreon it is wrong for a boy to have sex with a girl he grew up with in his childhood but is not his blood sister, or to have sex with a woman who raised him since he was a child but is not his biological mother, but it is okay for an old bald fat guy to practically use mind games with a girl who is two or three times her age in order to sexually abuse her, or for a bastard who was separated from a girl he knew in his childhood to use constant guilt and humiliation in order to abuse her, honestly it seems to me the stupidest logic in the world.
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Adopted and step is off limits in Patreon's rules. It's mostly applying to people using those to try and circumvent the rules against incest by making the characters clearly related but slapping the "step" label to say they're not blood-related.
Also, it's not really Patreon's choice, but rather the agreement they have with Paypal, who does not want to see their brand associated with controversial topics. Although, with the whole Honey debacle, they probably have other things to worry about right now.
Honestly, it will feel like a huge void without any Leto/Haylen scene or at least Leto/Cyanna in one of the endings, but in the end, if it can't be done, it can't be done :_D
although we could practically say that we already had some Haylen/Leto content, clearly we can say that Haylen's fantasies count xD, but wait a second, shouldn't the scenes that Jazzon had with his uncle's wife be bad too?
It's his uncle's wife, they're not blood-related in the least, unless she was his mother's sister.
You can see what I mean, Jason must have grown up a good part of his life in his uncle's house so basically the relationship between Jason and his uncle's wife is the same as the one between Leto and Haylen, but we are in a plot vacuum so what happened between Jason and his uncle's wife is fine, but it would be wrong if the same thing happened between Leto and Haylen, or between Leto and Cyanna XD
As I said, following that line of thought, then there couldn't be Leto/Lily content in the endings either, and it would be the same for Rose/Leto content, of course for the latter there is the excuse that Rose is Leto's girlfriend so it's fine even though, like with Cyanna or Lily, they have known each other since they were children and shared a good part of their childhood, I suppose they go along the lines of not growing up under the same roof XD
I'm not really aware of this PayPal, Patreon and Honey thing. I'd like someone to explain it to me.
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Yes add that variation, that is true corruption. it would be an even bigger hit if they are willing to have sex with everyone except Leto. It would be a complete 180 from who they were at the beginning of the story something that https://f95zone.to/threads/in-the-house-of-despicable-family-pin-point.995/ did really well.