And again she's not because she's in a relationship with the person so its no longer an agreement based on exchange for money. If they weren't in a relatinship it would be prostitution. But she's in one so it's not. You're not going to say your wife is a prostitute because she promises you sex for stuff. As I said my logic is fine, it's just that none of you have actually given any logic.
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The order of events:
- She gets paid to have sex with the MC
- Afterward she falls for the MC if he decides to cuddle with her
Stop hiding behind the need for logic as if you're some kind of autist, and just admit that you like her and don't like that other people call her a prostitute.
Truthfully I don't really like her or dislike. I find her ok, she's not my favorite but not my least favorite either. Like the blacksmith girl and Maia I think of them as just being there and don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other. I simply just don't agree with you on the idea that it's prostition on the grounds that she's in a relationship with the mc. Simple, I've been pretty clear on that. The fact she choose to enter a relationship and become exlusive without having any clients means that in my opinion it's not prostution.
Just like with the barber analogy someone who only cuts one persons hair exclusively really isn't a barber. I also find the idea that intentions matter to be really stupid but that's a whole another argument. The act of being exclusive means it's not prostitution regardless of what any earlier intentions are.
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Man, I didn't read such a retarded stance in a hot minute. You wouldn't see logic if it dropkicked you in the face. Not a single post of yours for the last 3 pages contained a single shred of sound reasoning. Are you even old enough to be on here, or are your parents still paying for your internet access?
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Right, let's put that analogy in the same scenario as Diana in the game, and let's see you weasel out of it again.
- A girl applies at a barbershop and is hired as a barber working on commission.
- You're her first customer; she cuts your hair, and she gets paid
- After the haircut, she follows you outside, and you have a bonding moment
- She tells you that from now on she'll only cut your hair and will stay at the barbershop for whenever you need a haircut.
Now you're going to find a reason why this girl wasn't performing the job of a barber while working at the barbershop and cutting your hair.
Is this logic in the room with us right now so you can explain it or are you going to waste all your time asking chatgpt for jokes?
Is she actively taking commissions from different clients? If not then she's not a barber lol. She's just a friend whose cut your hair. I've already said that.
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How is she a friend if you didn't know her before she cut your hair, and you paid her to perform her job?
Anyway, while I had fun indulging in your delusions, we've already gone in circles several times. If you're still confused, I suggest re-reading the last 3-4 pages.
Literally the exact same reasoning I've already given for prostitution, she's not actively participating in the job and forming a personal relationship like that and refusing to cut hair for anyone else means it's no longer a client based relationship and it becomes a personal favor. As for whether or not you knew her before I don't really see why that matters. You bonded during the hair cut and became friends then.
No I'm not confused. I've constantly said this several times already she simply just has no experience as an actual barber and isn't actively trying to get experience either. It's essentially just a woman who hangs around the store because she knows you're going to be there. Their relationship is already non professional and I separate personal relations from actual clients.
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With us? Yes! With you? I highly doubt it. If you need the help of Chat GPT to come up with something comperable to what I wrote, it becomes clear why you lack the capabilities to reason your way out of a drenched paperbag.
I marked the part of your post that is completely devoid of reason. You don't even argue. You simply state an opinion again and again. And while you are entitled to that opinion, it has no tether to the realms of reason, logic or even reality.
I love a good clash of wits as much as the next person, but beating up a weaponless opponent is bad sport.
Oh look I've done the same thing. First that's not what arguing means.
Arguing means " to contend or disagree in words "
So even if you think what I'm saying is purely opinion based it's still an argument because I'm voicing an opposing view point. Second for someone who is so insistent I don't have any logic you don't even bother to explain why I don't have any logic. You just voice the opinion that I didn't present any then accuse me of doing that lol. It's just blatant hypocrisy disguised as a rebuttal. I'm not even sure why you even bothered to spend time typing that. You've done absolutely nothing productive, but steal other people's decade old jokes. Really makes me feel like I'm talking to a child.
You said it yourself man. Nobody is saying that she's still a prostitute. "No longer an agreement based on exchange for money" those are your words, which means initially it was an agreement based on exchange for money. Which is prostitution. Yes, she didn't do much of it (1 client, you) but she was still a prostitute for that one time. Stop making moral arguments about it.
If this was real life and went through legal channels, she would get charged for prostitution based on that. Yes, it would be a light charge or maybe even just a fine or something because it was such a minor thing, but it still happened. She *was* a prostitute. Quitting her job after the first time doesn't change that, it just means she's no longer a prostitute.
Since I already know you can't comprehend simple logic when people present it to you, why not go ahead and ask any AI (chatGPT maybe) "if a woman worked in a brothel, took money for sex one time and then quit the job to be in a relationship with her first client, was she at any point technically a prostitute?" Just to see what it would say.
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i got around to replaying the whole thing out of curiosity and i have to go back on my previous comment of calling it shallow. admittedly it still has a lot of quirks but i really took a liking to it. one thing that still kinda bothers me is the lack of "romance". occasional kissing would breath a lot of life into the story.
You'd get a charge for attempting something but that's not the same as you simply doing something. If someone tried to rob a bank or planned to rob a bank they're going to get arrested een if they hadn't done anything but they wouldn't be a bank rober. Her personal relationship invalidates any client based relationship and she failed to preform as a prostitute outside of that personal relationship. So she's not. It doesn't matter whether she was willing to before
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You still need to work on your analogies. At least, if you were arguing in good faith, which you're not.
In most jurisdictions where prostitution is illegal, merely the offer of exchanging sex for money (or goods or favors) can get you arrested on a prostitution charge. Officers aren't required to follow through on the arrangement first.
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I just want to genuinely thank you for the nitpicks list. It made me realize how much of a fucking idiot I am. So, for some of your points where you mentioned how you chose a certain choice only for it to change later, it was because there were several occasions where I forgot to delete variables that I'd put in during testing to try different paths. I fixed them all but now a percentage of players will get dialogue that wasn't intended for them. I'm trying to rectify this in the next update, so hopefully it's not completely fucked.
For your points regarding choices not mattering, I understand, but let's be honest... most choices in the game don't really amount to anything aside from lowering/increasing your honor, which will dictate the ending you get. As a solo dev, I can't realistically create completely different paths for every choice. That said, I tried adding some dialogue for certain choices, i.e., when you defend or make fun of Maia. And when the MC is married, the queen will now briefly comment about it. There's also some new dialogue for Diana when you skip the dinner scene with Darius. I was actually shocked that I missed adding a variable for that.
And for choices where you can 'do this now or do it later,' the 'do it later' choice is purely for gameplay reasons. Basically, it's a choice for players who don't want to advance the story just yet. Not conon I guess?
All in all, you helped me a lot with polishing the game, so thank you!
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People who argue like you are the sole reason why we will never get people to stop using words like retard.