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If you reread that, I think you'll find it's more of a list of supporting evidence written in an argumentative tone than a counterpoint.
Personally, I don't think porn games need choices that actually matter in any serious way. If I want to make real choices that matter, I'll play Civilization. All I need from these is enough fake ones to maintain the illusion of participation.
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A visual novel with choices is not a game. Most visual novels with choices are not "gameplay". Kinetic, non-kinetic, doesn't change them from being visual novels. The only real "gameplay" games are the ones that you have to complete tasks before you can move on. Those ones aren't made with Renpy. If you need the illusion of participation, you’re playing for the wrong reasons.
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Kimberlys Life. But I would like to see the protagonist here in the other Visual Novel. As a cameo perhaps, but she could also be introduced as a regular character.
Edit: Although now that I think about it, Kimberly's cousin looks a lot like this. Maybe an iteration.
If you look close, Rayanne is in the ice cream parlor on Kim and Norman’s date.
First of all, I totally agree that a good visual novel does not need any choice at all. But I really do think that well done visual novels with choices can be real games. They are like very slow and deep role playing games like Gothic or The Elder Scrolls.
Harem-VNs are mostly not games, but rather books with addons. But if I have a complex game with several love interests I wanna hook up, but they are partly mutual exclusive, then it is like playing Gothic: If I join up with the rebels, I cannot join the Paladins, but how can I still get this and that from them? This visual novels would provide good reasons to replay them again and again in order to reach different roles.
Let me repeat: I like your VNs, they don't need any choices to be good.
But additionally, I do like making choices that matter in a VN in order for them to feel much more personal than most books can. Not that this is impossible, but you have a stronger handle if you allow the users some free choice. If one identifies with the main character it becomes a emotional decision: "Do I really allow 'myself' to sink so low in order to see this scene, or is 'my' pride more important?". Without choices, this question also may comes up, but only on a second level, if the reader stops and thinks for a while. Then, the decision is made for him. But If it is the user who decides, it is him to blame, it falls back on him, it is his lust that let the main character make such a lustful decision.
Of course, this is some exaggerated point of view, but I don't think just saying choices and VNs don't fit together at all.
One very good example is Our Red String: How do I get Lena not to get bankrupt, but also keep her pride? How can I let her be willing to take the photoshoot? Which guy feels like the right match for her? Or am I horny enough that I want to see her with the wrong guy instead?
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Ahh, yes, you are right. It is seen in the background. Would there be any possibility of it having more presence? Rayanne is very hot.
Well, I'm not going to tell you how you have to design your game, but since it's the same world, it would be cool to revisit Rayanne's humiliation in Kimberly's life. For example, they could meet in the school principal's office. They are both his pets now, and it wouldn't be surprising if he wanted to enjoy both at the same time. It's just a suggestion.
I didn’t plan on it. I placed her there more as a tease to see if anyone would notice. I said in the beginning of Kim’s life that the events of hometown trap didn’t happen in this world. Rayanne is cute, but she’s not close to as hot as Kim and hayleigh.
It is possible to have her included in something, but I would have to figure out how it would happen. Right now I’m not focused on anything but Kimberly. And after this update, even Hayleigh is going to be a little less seen. Plus I have plans after Kimberly.
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Hey, everyone deserves some love! Stop harassing fat ugly old dudes!
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No. It’s abandoned. Sorry.
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I'm sorry, I used "games" colloquially. It's an emerging medium, the syntax is still underdeveloped, what do you want from me?
The point I was trying to make is roughly the same as yours - that VNs have no real gameplay, the only function the choices serve, when they're present, is to give an illusion of inhabiting the story in some way, rather than merely observing it. Maybe "agency" is a better word than participation. And that's all they really need to do.
As to the last point, I mean, I'm playing to get off and/or because normal porn gets tedious. Is there some other reason?
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I just tried this and Kimberley's Life..and both are real ugly games. I mean the male characters are copied direct out of an C Horror movie.
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Yes, of course, that's the fetish these games exploit: Ugly old men twisting the will of beautiful young girls to turn them into their whores. And it makes sense, really. These men would never be able to fuck a girl like that if it weren't for blackmail and abuse of power. And that's the fetish.
It's not everyone's thing, but it is ours. You don't need to ask why. We don't ask why you don't like it...
IF there is any interest from a developer or someone just getting into developing a game. I can share everything I had with hometown trap. Character models and how to adjust them to create the exact character. Story and plans. All the assets I used and more I have learned since. DM me or find me on discord…I’m on there more. I would be happy to share.