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Drava
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I hear you, but the reality of it is that humans are developing these AI:s, and they're doing so without the artists' consent. If someone is using your work to train a software they're developing, to imitate your style and learn more about painting, that's them using your stuff without your permission.
If you want to have a conversation about learning, then I await the day when we've collectively decided that an AI is conscious. There's an argument to be had already about that, as far as I understand it. But until an AI can consciously decide that it wants to get better at something and imitate someone to learn, the AI is not doing the same thing that a human is. It remains, for now, a tool developed by humans where they use your stuff without your permission.
Oh man, getting engaged in a discussion about AI on a porn game site. But well, I'll have a jab at it since there's prevalent points here which should be addressed.
- By that logic, any AI is unethical, if consent matters, because all of them (at least the big ones) have been trained on stuff without the person's content, because otherwise it'd be too much of a hassle to get necessary data
- "consciousness" is elusive. There's no real definition of it and we don't know if it can even be defined at all. Therefore it's not even possible to say right now AI is unconscious. We can only feel like it probably is, but who knows. Maybe consciousness isn't something that has definable properties in a way other things do.
- don't think whether AI is conscious or not matters at all though. Because I don't see anything wrong with using stuff from other artists without their consent unless it is so similar that it's clearly a rip-off (i.e. if you could reasonably file a copyright claim against it because it is so similar to one of your works). Humans already use stuff other humans made without their consent sometimes. For instance the music industry is full of that. As long as it isn't a straight off rip-off of a song, then there's usually no consequences in simply taking a bit from here and a bit from there. As it should. If you mix a number of things together so that you can't really see the starting ingredients, it can be said to be a different thing from these ingredients. That's why AI does genuinely create things, simply by mixing existing ones at different proportions. Think of cooking but with ingredients mixed up a bit. You can create different things this way even if you didn't create the ingredients. Again, I think the "using stuff without consent" argument is only valid if it's a clear rip-off.
- I'd honestly rather see AI art than overused graphics from other game assets. AI can be more original than that if you just tell it to be in the right way
- AI art helps small developers who wouldn't otherwise have the money for graphics to not have to worry about it and instead focus on different things, like gameplay and writing. If they have to choose, I'd rather they focus on the latter two and have AI generated art, which is still better than a lot of mediocre human art. Of course having a real artist is still preferable for many reasons but... there's just no budget for those sometimes. If I'm one person and I will make a game as a passion project (which might happen), I will definitely use AI art, because I am not an artist at all. I can do the coding and the writing but I definitely wouldn't be able to either make my own art or pay someone else enough to get good art. And again, I'd really rather have that than the generic graphics like those 3d renders which don't look good and cost a lot, or just AI Shoujo or some other game's graphics which are clear rip-offs in contrast and therefore boring and unoriginal more so than AI art
You may agree or not, as my name says, don't really care. Just wanted to leave a rant. I haven't even played this game yet lol (but I'll give it a try)
Drava
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To the first point, I agree. Most AI models have been trained unethically. I personally agree with having my data on social media sites used for training, but I sure as hell think that we should legislate to have stuff like this requested. Adobe is on top of things as far as consent goes.
Yes, consciousness is elusive. But nobody would argue that their image generating AI is conscious in good faith. Because that comes with a whole slew of unknowns as far as responsibilities go. If you want to go the whole line, then maybe Microsoft Word is also conscious? To me, as it stands, I conclude that it is not conscious. But I am also of the belief that we will kill the first conscious AI without knowing that it ever was. That is to say, I believe the first truly conscious AI will get murdered without us understanding that we're killing it.
I would also much prefer AI generated art as long as it's better than reused assets. But that does not take presedence over using other people's work to train your own models.
I believe we will have extremely sophisticated AI for all manners of creative and laboring pursuits, but I don't believe we need to cross the ethical boundaries to get there. If anything, I think that rushing into AI models with no regard for what we're doing to people is the equivalent of constantly scrolling through TikTok, looking for that next rush.
The notes claim that Emily 3 rewards are unlocked, but when playing, Emily is still WIP due to the Talk feature still not implemented.
Serious Punch
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The drawings are fantastic.
Too bad about everything else.
Too bad about everything else.
melakuu
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Hey, I really liked your point of view, I never thought about this by this perspective. Although you make a good point, I can use as an argument the same point you made. People learn skills from other people without their explicit consent all the time. Let's say you decide to learn how to draw(assuming you don't know already) and then you see an artist somewhere you really enjoy his style. And then you start to look up some of his drawings and stuff and try to mimick it. Little by little, when you get better and better, you will probably create your own style, but you will have the influence of this artist nonetheless. I highly doubt it that you(not you specifically, but the person in this anectdote), will reach out to this artist and ask him his permission to use his art for learning.
This is basically what AI does, the only difference is the AI is incapable of creating out of nowhere an image from their own "imagination".
But your point made me look at this from a different perspective, thank you.
Spin$hady
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So, I am playing without any mods.
I have bought all the items and the best car etc.
Got Amelia to 2 1/4 hearts, farm is lv13 or something, but character is lv1.
I can't seem to progress with Amelia, from the main page here, there should be one scene with her?
Is this a bug?
I have bought all the items and the best car etc.
Got Amelia to 2 1/4 hearts, farm is lv13 or something, but character is lv1.
I can't seem to progress with Amelia, from the main page here, there should be one scene with her?
Is this a bug?
I never thought I'd see the day where I'm discussing ML on a porn site however as somebody that works with it I would just interject that this isn't what "AI" does, which is why attacks
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are possible where the researchers are able to extract images from the training corpus of various diffusion models.Using human processes as ethical analogies for training a model usually breaks down when examined too closely as current generation models do not work in remotely the same way as humans. Even ignoring the question of whether you can use the copyrighted work of others for personal enrichment if it's done in a certain way, something which isn't exactly clear cut, these models contain said copyrighted works encoded in their weights and these can on occasion be extracted in full or in part to produce derivative works.
Not sure. I did check the LocalLow folder and it seems like logs. The game should take less than an hour to 100% complete, granted the barebone content at the moment.
BullDemon
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indosetanzz
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melakuu
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It is kinda weird discussing this topic here lol.
Thanks for sharing this link, I didn't knew about it and it makes me agree with you.
Now, back to porn...
