How can one who dislikes NTR, who also has three women loyal to them, enjoy a game with brothels, strip clubs, gloryholes & sex clubs?

[hakarlman]

I want to give the NTR hater community a chance to give me ideas I could possibly implement in my game, but I need their feedback and ideas. Why am I giving them this chance? Because I see them complain a lot in other threads, and I understand where they're coming from, so I want to be the kind of developer that takes their feedback into consideration. Just wanna be a good devbro and hear them out.

Respectfully, I'm not looking for, "just make the game you want" suggestions. The game I want to make allows for an alpha male path, but I need help from NTR haters.

So here's my question:

You dislike NTR, Sharing & Cuckold content. IN GAME: Your parents were criminals and pimps. You've got game and have three women loyal to you, of whom you don't allow to sleep with anyone else. You've recently inherited a whore house, strip club, sex club, and glory hole. What do you do? What would you expect that would MASSIVELY turn you on?

When I eventually release my game, there will be NTR haters who say, "Oh fuck, these renders are insanely good, but it's male protagonist with prostitution, brothels, strip clubs? I smell NTR. Fuck. I would've played this game had he done this, this, and this." Now is your chance to tell me what "this, this, and this." is.

Get creative! Help a brother out. Let's use your hatred of NTR to make an extremely erotic path that you can enjoy in a game with a sinful, criminal environment with trashy places like brothels and street whores. Let's do this!

edit: Reminder that whatever ideas you share in this thread will help future developers as well. The reality is that there are quite a few games with ntr and non-ntr, so it makes sense to provide devs with as much feedback as possible, that way the non-ntr and ntr crowd both have a great experience.

 

[SkyRebel]

It's tiiiiiiime booooooooooooys

 

[lemonfreak]

The best advice I can offer, bearing in mind I don't hate ntr per se and in fact enjoy it in certain contexts, is to make your game as if ntr haters don't exist. Ntr haters are a special breed of people who will always find a way to hate your game if they percieve ntr within it.

 

[destroyergd]

I think the way to avoid NTR in prostituition is to have distance to the prostitutes. Like, if you've spent a lot of time builiding a relationship of any sorts, if you went into a lot of trouble for the caracter, if you have any emotional conection then it would feel bad for someone who didn't to have the same sex/reward.
Then I suppose those loyal to you should stay out of the brothel, depending on their storylines.
Then again, to have spent a lot of time on an specific character who's your enemy, then making they work for you as a prostitute isn't NTR. But some people will complain about it anyway.

 

[SL4Y3RRR]

The most obvious answer is to keep these three loyal girls to yourself and keep them out of this shady business, and hire some liberal-democratic whores with blm symbols and praises of george floyd on Instagram, let them do what they do best.

This is puzzling sir do you like sexual liberation or are you just too dense to realize your own hypocrisy on a porn sharing website

ANYWAYS. I personally find a lot of NTR stuff to be very grating, but I really enjoy it when its framed from the POV of the one doing the stealing. If you can make the game incorporate elements of maybe stealing women away from NPCs and then convincing them to join your harem/work for you in your brothel. strip club, ect. that would be dank as fuck. Maybe it could be from an overly controlling self centered asshole *AHEM*. It's always a win when you get a leg up on some room temperature iq schmuck.

Additionally I feel like if you were gonna include some heavy NTR stuff maybe provide a route for the MC to get some kind of revenge. That always feels pretty nice.

 

[hakarlman]

ANYWAYS. I personally find a lot of NTR stuff to be very grating, but I really enjoy it when its framed from the POV of the one doing the stealing.

This is called Netori; which is a lot of fun. I've added this path in my script.

If you can make the game incorporate elements of maybe stealing women away from NPCs

This is exactly what you can do.

and then convincing them to join your harem

One problem. The precise definition of Harem is basically women who sit in a room all day waiting for you to fuck them. From all my research, Harem & Prostitution don't go together:

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However, let's change the word:

".... and then convincing them to join your crew...."

Then yes, the women can join your crew.

convincing them to join your crew and work for you in your brothel and/or strip club

What do you mean by work though? Work as in just do the accounting, paper work, being a Madame who doesn't fuck any of the clients, or are you okay with them working as whores and/or strippers who may or may not be groped?

Maybe it could be from an overly controlling self centered asshole *AHEM*.

This is in the script.

Additionally I feel like if you were gonna include some heavy NTR stuff maybe provide a route for the MC to get some kind of revenge. That always feels pretty nice.

The NTR is all optional. You never get NTR'ed by default. Since you never get NTR'ed, the kind of revenge you suggested won't be needed. However, there will be other forms of taking revenge that don't involve getting NTR'ed.

 

[Meridian]

If you are gonna create a game with this setting that is gonna target audience who hates NTR then just make vast majority of love interests exclusive for mc without any optional ntr content for them. And then add a minority of other girls/sluts/whores/strippers whom mc can spitroast/gangbang with other male npcs since it seems like your thing. Also obviously avoid any content that has humiliation/emasculation undertones for mc.

And for particular scenarios, lets see. I would enjoy an event where mc with one of his love interests visit a strip club or something. Mc would like one of the dancers and have sex with her while his love interest would berate her verbally with words like slut, whore etc and push her head on his dick. Stuff like that is kinda cool.

 

[hakarlman]

If you are gonna create a game with this setting that is gonna target audience who hates NTR then just make vast majority of love interests exclusive for mc without any optional ntr content for them.

By exclusive, do you mean there can't be any renders of the MC's core women having sex with other guys?

My current implementation allows you to keep three women to yourself, but they can be optionally shared which means renders will exist of them having sex with other guys, but as long as you don't go the NTR route, you'll never see them. Would this be a problem for NTR haters? Be totally honest please.

And then add a minority of other girls/sluts/whores/strippers whom mc can spitroast/gangbang with other male npcs since it seems like your thing.

This is precisely what I have planned. Good to see my current script on track with other peoples ideas.

Also obviously avoid any content that has humiliation/emasculation undertones for mc.

This content is in the game, but it's optional and never forced. The MC can range from an extremely sadistic alpha male; feared by all men, all the way to a completely emasculated failure of a man; in the most humiliating possible way. Would this be a problem? Be honest please.

And for particular scenarios, lets see. I would enjoy an event where mc with one of his love interests visit a strip club or something. Mc would like one of the dancers and have sex with her while his love interest would berate her verbally with words like slut, whore etc and push her head on his dick. Stuff like that is kinda cool.

That's exactly the kind of scenario feedback I was looking for. This can easily be done with the current methodology. His main girl is elevated above the common rabble. The game is setup to have a social hierarchy that caters to BDSM and social status.

 

[Laikhent]

I played a brothel game before and I noticed one thing that I liked was that, at the end of the day, I could call to my chambers any of the prostitutes and use them (without paying). I like that feeling of having many women at my disposal as if they were my property (I'm into slavery, I guess that's why I found it arousing).

There were also fights were you could capture and enslave women (shit, that was arousing).

Maybe one problem of a brothel game is that there is not much of that feeling of sexually progressing with someone, since all of the prostitutes are already fully fuckable from the start. But maybe that's when your 3 special characters could come in hand. You could make them not available to fuck at the start (you already have many prostitutes for that), but instead, you could make it a slow progression for them.

 

[paust.alex]

By exclusive, do you mean there can't be any renders of the MC's core women having sex with other guys?

My current implementation allows you to keep three women to yourself, but they can be optionally shared which means renders will exist of them having sex with other guys, but as long as you don't go the NTR route, you'll never see them. Would this be a problem for NTR haters? Be totally honest please.

I am NTR hater. My opinion is - if a girl thinks about cheating, if she agrees to cheating, even if you ask her about it, then she is a whore and this is NTR. A real woman would never fuck anyone else besides you, even on pain of death.

 

[Laikhent]

I am NTR hater. My opinion is - if a girl thinks about cheating, if she agrees to cheating, even if you ask her about it, then she is a whore and this is NTR. A real woman would never fuck anyone else besides you, even on pain of death.

One way he could please both sides is by making the player never realize she would ever betray him if the player did not choose the NTR path.

 

[hakarlman]

I am NTR hater. My opinion is - if a girl thinks about cheating, if she agrees to cheating, even if you ask her about it, then she is a whore and this is NTR. A real woman would never fuck anyone else besides you, even on pain of death.

She never thinks about cheating, unless you continually show weakness and fail certain challenges; part of the fun gameplay, it will make your loyalty to you more meaningful. As long as you stick to the alpha path, she'll be 100% loyal in very cool & surprising ways.

I need to ask you something VERY important. You can have three girls who are 100% loyal to you. But there are other girls in the game who are minor characters; whores, sluts, prostitutes, literally the most whorish women you can think of. You can fuck them if you want, but later on they'll be fucking other guys. They're not your girlfriend, your character literally sees them as just sluts and whores. Do you consider this NTR? The game takes place is in a dangerous crime filled environment that is plagued with sin.

A real woman would never fuck anyone else besides you, even on pain of death.

She'll be 100% loyal to you if that's what you want.

 

[hakarlman]

One way he could please both sides is by making the player never realize she would ever betray him if the player did not choose the NTR path.

This is exactly what I have planned. The primary girl starts out very loyal to the MC. You have to royally mess up in order to get her to even think of cheating. You literally have to choose the submissive dialogue choices which are 100% obvious.

 

[Meridian]

By exclusive, do you mean there can't be any renders of the MC's core women having sex with other guys?

My current implementation allows you to keep three women to yourself, but they can be optionally shared which means renders will exist of them having sex with other guys, but as long as you don't go the NTR route, you'll never see them. Would this be a problem for NTR haters? Be totally honest please.



This is precisely what I have planned. Good to see my current script on track with other peoples ideas.



This content is in the game, but it's optional and never forced. The MC can range from an extremely sadistic alpha male; feared by all men, all the way to a completely emasculated failure of a man; in the most humiliating possible way. Would this be a problem? Be honest please.



That's exactly the kind of scenario feedback I was looking for. This can easily be done with the current methodology. His main girl is elevated above the common rabble. The game is setup to have a social hierarchy that caters to BDSM and social status.

I guess for me it is a problem. All games that try to cater to both ntr-haters and ntr-lovers tend to have very lame non-ntr content in my experience. Girl you like getting fucked by other guys is a very impactful fetish that overshadows everything else. Not to mention ntr content almost always requires other guys to be bigger, more evil, more dominant and stuff like that to make it sting more. And it makes non-ntr content feel like tame vanilla. Don't kid yourself about optional routes and stuff like that. Most players play all routes to check out all content. So stuff that happens in ntr route is gonna influence how players feel about non-ntr route.

And the whole "emasculated failure of a man; in the most humiliating possible way" route optional or not is pretty much a deal breaker for me. Never gonna play a game where stuff like that exist, forced or not. I can't care for the girls if somewhere in optional route they are gonna spout the usual cuckold cliches about bigger dicks and shit and emasculate main character.

 

[Laikhent]

I need to ask you something VERY important. You can have three girls who are 100% loyal to you. But there are other girls in the game who are minor characters; whores, sluts, prostitutes, literally the most whorish women you can think of. You can fuck them if you want, but later on they'll be fucking other guys. They're not your girlfriend, your character literally sees them as just sluts and whores. Do you consider this NTR? The game takes place is in a dangerous crime filled environment that is plagued with sin.

I'm a NTR heavy hater. I can't speak for everyone but the NTR bad feeling does not trigger for me in those situations.

Another situation it won't trigger is if the woman (even if I actually like her) is being fucked by her actual husband (and I'm have been netoring them) (but I don't mean this is an arousing scene to be shown).

 

[paust.alex]

She never thinks about cheating, unless you continually show weakness and fail certain challenges; part of the fun gameplay, it will make your loyalty to you more meaningful. As long as you stick to the alpha path, she'll be 100% loyal in very cool & surprising ways.

As for me, she should be loyal and faithful to me regardless of any choices, parameters and variables. It must be permanent.

I need to ask you something VERY important. You can have three girls who are 100% loyal to you. But there are other girls in the game who are minor characters; whores, sluts, prostitutes, literally the most whorish women you can think of. You can fuck them if you want, but later on they'll be fucking other guys. They're not your girlfriend, your character literally sees them as just sluts and whores. Do you consider this NTR? The game takes place is in a dangerous crime filled environment that is plagued with sin.

As for the rest, they can be seen as porn actresses. But it all depends on their personalities, as for me, they should be strong and independent, like, for example, Yennefer (she was a whore). They are not against having sex with you, but they will not limit themselves in pleasure and you either accept their terms of the game, or they leave. They allow you to fuck them, along with other men who will fuck them, and they like to be fucked.

 

[hakarlman]

All games that try to cater to both ntr-haters and ntr-lovers tend to have very lame non-ntr content in my experience.

I don't want to claim my content will be best. When the time comes, I'll let people decide. Let's just say that I strongly agree with you. I hear you loud and clear on how ntr & non-ntr can lead to a subpar experience. Being totally aware of this is the first step in avoiding the problem.

Not to mention ntr content almost always requires other guys to be bigger, more evil, more dominant and stuff like that to make it sting more.

The script is written to allow the MC to be the most evil if you go that route. Special consideration was taken to address your exact concern.

And the whole "emasculated failure of a man; in the most humiliating possible way" route optional or not is pretty much a deal breaker for me. Never gonna play a game where stuff like that exist, forced or not. I can't care for the girls if somewhere in optional route they are gonna spout the usual cuckold cliches about bigger dicks and shit and emasculate main character.

This is what I was worried about. I appreciate your honesty. I've actually pondered this problem. The only solution I currently have is to let the player choose between two male MC's at the start, two males who are completely different people. Would that be acceptable? If you choose the masculine default character, then he'll never even be optionally humiliated or cuckolded. Would that be okay?

 

[hakarlman]

I'm a NTR heavy hater. I can't speak for everyone but the NTR bad feeling does not trigger for me in those situations.

Another situation it won't trigger is if the woman (even if I actually like her) is being fucked by her actual husband (and I'm have been netoring them) (but I don't mean this is an arousing scene to be shown).

Netori is in the game. What you described is the fun stuff I have planned for the alpha male MC.

I need to ask you more questions if you don't mind, since the game is focused on catering to your playstyle.

When you seduce the wife away from her husband, would you ever:
a) fuck her in front of her husband to crush his soul and destroy him
b) adhere to the husbands request to fuck his wife; he literally asks you to, because he knows you're the better man and you've cucked him cuz he's such a loser, so you guys setup a deal once a week where you fuck her in front of him
c) fuck his wife and daughter in front of him while he jerks off
d) fuck his wife and daughter, record it and send him a video
e) host a party, invite the husband and wife, then have all your buddies fuck her, while you fuck her too, while the husband watches?

Are any of these things appealing? Be brutally honest.

 

[paust.alex]

This is what I was worried about. I appreciate your honesty. I've actually pondered this problem. The only solution I currently have is to let the player choose between two male MC's at the start, two males who are completely different people. Would that be acceptable? If you choose the masculine default character, then he'll never even be optionally humiliated or cuckolded. Would that be okay?

I will speak for myself, but I would feel cheated by another character. In any alternate reality, she must be with me and she must be loyal to me. If we talk about her attitude towards me, depending on the route, then why not make her dominant / normal?

 

[hakarlman]

I will speak for myself, but I would feel cheated by another character. In any alternate reality, she must be with me and she must be loyal to me. If we talk about her attitude towards me, depending on the route, then why not make her dominant / normal?

Crap. This is one problem I cannot solve, but I appreciate your honesty. This is EXACTLY the feedback I was looking for. I understand how you feel. It breaks immersion to know renders exist of her with other guys, even if the guy is an alternate MC you can pick. I understand.

EDIT:

I really hope you guys can get over this issue. Hear me out. What makes things meaningful in life? RISK & CONSEQUENCE. Without those two things, everything would be shallow and meaningless. I've setup a game where if you just take the risk and avoid the consequence; knowing full well it's there, it will deepen the connection you feel to the main girl. You ever play a game where the sex scenes just feel shallow and empty, but you don't know why? IMO, it's because there isn't any risk or consequence, there was no hefty investment. You got the reward too easily and too fast. That's my take. I hope I can change your mind on this topic.