You mean like the guy called Slappy Kinkaid, who went into a game that was clearly trying to do a classic NTR progression and started writing pages upon pages of malignantly narcissistic garbage about why the dev should add routes that he wants instead of doing what they originally planned? And when people started pointing out that the some games just want to be an NTR game with mostly NTR variation routes, he lost his shit and went all
grtrader on the thread? And then he got thread banned and started a new thread bitching about how stupid the dev is and how shitty that game is? And all the while, his own game that he supposedly took over development of hasn't gone anywhere in 3 years. And for all his self praise, that game is as shallow as it is wide and not even close to the level of writing of something like Pale Carnations (an actual good game that doesn't get bogged down by tags or genre conventions).
Ah, take note OP, here is a prime example of one of those individuals that I was referring to. Observe as I address his rather... let's just say revisionist interpretation of history. Kinda odd that he felt the need insert himself in here, just so that he can try to re-start old disputes, meh, regardless
You mean like the guy called Slappy Kinkaid, who went into a game that was clearly trying to do a classic NTR progression and started writing pages upon pages of malignantly narcissistic garbage about why the dev should add routes that he wants instead of doing what they originally planned?
Incorrect. I played the game after being convinced by a friend, (whom was also active in that thread), to do so, as he insisted the story of the game was really good. After playing the, at that time, (which was what, close to 2 years ago?), the current release of the game. I played it, & found that there was a lot of structural issues with how it was written. The character continuity was completely broken & non-existent in many places, the plot pacing & direction was very forced in many areas, there were multiple plot points, hooks & elements that were completely nonsensical & went nowhere, like for example. The entire blackmail premise. The antagonist tricked the MC to give him a thumb drive with the contents of the project that their company was working on, then the antagonist used the threat of leaking it to competitors to blackmail the Love interest. However, that doesn't make any sense, since the antagonist was the on site representative of the client they were making the project for, him having access to the project data is not only normal, but expected, so he's supposed to have that data. Therefore if he leaked it, that would blow back on him, not on anyone within the company. Then additionally, when explaining why the time frame for the blackmail was 30 days, the antagonist said because due to some law, all source code for projects like theirs were required to become open source. Additionally, the entire project was on just a single flash drive & wasn't stored on a NAS or file server? REALLY? Again, that doesn't make sense because, why even bother with the project at all at that point? To invest all that time, money & resources to release it right as the requirement to put the GPL on it, where their competitors could just copy their work anyway & cut into any potential profits? None of this makes any sense & makes it clear that he was literally writing it on the fly & going with the first thing off the top of his head. Now, for those that just REALLY love "classic" NTR, as you call it, & just want something that they can mindlessly fap to, that's fine, (though, again, kinda begs the question of why they are using a VN which is story heavy & lighter on actual fap material than other options, but hey. Simple minded is gonna simple minded). However, for those that are more interested in the story, which, as can be plainly seen from the multiple posts of feedback left by multiple other people after I had moved on, was a LOT of people, things like that stick out like a sore thumb & wreck immersion, especially since it was clear that it was the product of laziness, apathy & cutting corners, (which the creator even admitted to himself on his Discord in saying he doesn't care about writing or the story at all). I even gave him easy fixes to problems like that. For example, get rid of the whole "everything has to go open source in a month" nonsense & instead, maybe add a policy where clients & external partners can have access limited access to updates, test builds & project snapshots, but no one outside the company can have access to the source code, as that is proprietary. That's like a 5 minute script fix that completely resolves that hole without affecting the content of the story in the slightest.
Now, when I went to the game thread to leave that perfectly respectable, constructive feedback, (as my initial comments to the dev were), first, I saw a reply to a guy essentially saying something like "I'd like to see a path where the MC catches them, snaps & goes on some dark revenge arc". That's a perfectly fine & acceptable comment to leave. In response, the guy responding was saying, (paraphrasing), "Dats not NTR, Y U even here if u don't like NTR. Go back to to playing harem games". Now this comment right here, in & of itself is a perfect microcosm of my criticism of the extreme NTR fanatics side of the pro vs anti NTR crowd. It's rude, very exclusionary, (as he basically said "You ain't one of us, go away"), & rather stupid, as anyone with any common sense can understand that different people can like NTR, as well as different things in NTR, for different reasons. Either that, or he didn't care & is just openly hostile & exclusionary to others that aren't one of y'all. Hell, you even did the same in your response here, trying to present your claim, like I was an unwelcome interloper that wasn't one of you, that intruded on your territory. Yeah... Boy, guess you really proved me wrong there huh? That's not insular & exclusionary at all.. riiight.
Anyway, so my first post there, was replying to that guy, more or less telling him that he's being rude & just because he might like to see a revenge arc doesn't mean he doesn't like NTR. Often times having that option can make some games better. Now anyone with any common sense would be able to see that the point was "hey, there's nothing wrong with the guy stating an opinion on something he'd like to see, don't be an asshole". But we're not dealing with people with common sense, We're dealing with zealotous NTR fanatics. So, instead of their take away being "Oh, yeah maybe I shouldn't be a dick to others just because they like different things", instead, they crawled out of the woodwork, taking this comment as some kind of attack on their beloved kink. After I replied to that guy, I posted my feedback on the game. Afterwards, it was actually the game dev & some of his fans, you included, that flipped your collective shit. See, what you conveniently forget, (or maybe just don't want to mention), is that I was far from the only one that had criticisms or feedback on the game. That same friend whom initially talked me into playing it in the first place, (whom was also a top tier paying patron of the creator, by the way), was actually the main one, (though not the only one, as there were at least 5 or 6 others), ardently arguing in favor of writing actual endings to the routes of the game, & in favor of other routes, arguing that if different choices don't lead to different outcomes, then the choices are completely meaningless, which he was correct on. & since he was one of the guys that was actually paying the dev, at the highest tier level, no less, he kind of has a right to make those kinds of requests. Granted, the dev doesn't have to fulfill those requests, but he certainly had more right to make those requests, as one of the ones paying the guy, than anyone else. Now Sure, I agreed with him because he was objectively correct. You NTR fanatics get the exact same content you would have gotten anyway, the clearly present & vocal other fans get the content they wanted, everyone wins. Plus, on average, games that actually do have more variance in routes DO in fact do better, however that was primarily their argument, not mine. Frankly, I didn't really care all that much what he did with his game. I simply responded with clear, easily demonstrable & objective facts, (guess that's what you're referring to as "malignant narcissism). Now, why was there so much back & forth, (The pages upon pages that you claim I posted... even though the majority of it was posted by other people, but whatever)? Well that's because they & occasionally I were simply responding to the nonsense that you all posted, just like I'm doing now. Now, to your credit, at least you were the more articulate out of the bunch, but let's be real here. The bulk of the replies we got was pure nonsense insisting that adding additional content that you could easily simply opt to ignore & avoid makes the NTR no longer legitimate NTR & basically impure. Well that & unhinged claims that we were all anti-NTR haters, that we were trying to force the dev to take the NTR out of the game, (which is completely asinine, as NO ONE did that), blah blah blah. The only thing I really said that he should do is apply himself more on his writing, so that it's not as glaringly low effort & inconsistent. But whatever.
And when people started pointing out that the some games just want to be an NTR game with mostly NTR variation routes, he lost his shit and went all
grtrader on the thread?
No clue what the hell grtrader is supposed to be, but anyway, no one ever said that wanting an NTR game that's mostly NTR is somehow a bad thing. All I really said was that clearly, MANY NTR fans were bored of the same old story over & over again & wanted to see other things included to give it more variety, as could be very clearly seen by all the people saying as much in their own comments. YOU guys were the ones aggressively arguing that adding additional content disqualifies it as NTR, that everyone that didn't want what fit your narrow parameters for correct "classic" NTR weren't real NTR fans, therefore didn't count. I mean hell, you & another guy kept insisting on some titles of proper "classic" NTR games that included some of the things other were requesting & 2 separate guys gave you whole lists, one of which included a link to a whole website full of them. Of course, you all ignored those posts & continued to demand some titles, AFTER others had already provided them TWICE. So I guess your idea of me "losing my shit", is me & multiple others correcting you on grossly incorrect things you guys kept saying after you all actually lost your shit. Interesting.
And then he got thread banned and started a new thread bitching about how stupid the dev is and how shitty that game is?
That's a real interesting thing for you to claim, considering that I never started any such thread. Now sure, I did reply in an off topic thread that one of the dev's fans started, after one of the multiple times the game thread got nuked. I mean anyone reading this can literally pull up those threads right now & see what I'm talking about for themselves. You are aware that a lot of that is still publicly visible right? Guess posting in a thread that someone else started is the same thing as starting a thread in your mind. That's just fascinating. OOOO does that mean I started this thread too? Weird. Man, I've seen more rational nonsense in Qanon posts than some of the stuff you're saying right here.
Anyway, as for me being banned, yeah. A lot of people were banned. To date, that's the only thread I've ever been banned from. Kinda weird right? Yeah, that definitely doesn't make your corner of the community look insular, hostile & exclusionary at all. mmyeah..
Well anyway, I got a question for ya, I mean I know you have to cling to this whole nonsense of me being the lone bad guy in all of this, in order for your fabricated version of revisionist history to work, but let me ask you this. Why did the thread keep getting nuked multiple times after I left? Also, how do you explain the dozens of people that were saying the exact same thing we were saying long after I'd moved on from the thread?
And all the while, his own game that he supposedly took over development of hasn't gone anywhere in 3 years.
The next update has been written for well over 2 years now, however I'm unable to do the 3d graphical work because I don't have the time. See, I have these weird things like a job, marriage, relationships, kids & family, & that takes up most of my time. I know, weird right? Back when I took the job over, I was still working as Senior support for Apple, so I had more time to dedicate to it, as I was working a regular 40 hour week. As of a year & a half ago, I'm now the Operations Manager of IT for the company I work for now. That's a much more demanding job & often leaves me with no free time. Once some projects at work reach a point where I have a little more time, I'll be hiring someone to do the graphical work, at which point the updates will be coming out again. All of this has been clearly stated numerous times with updates on what's going on on my game's thread. Weird how you forgot to add that part in huh? Gee, it's almost like you're trying to present things in a way that's not honest or reflective of reality in a sad, feeble attempt to try to take cheap shots at me.
And for all his self praise,
If simply pointing out the fact that I'm a published author with over 13 years experience, for the purposes of displaying that I know what I'm talking about is, in your mind, "self praise", then I guess you can think that. Personally, I'd think self praise would be if I was bragging about how much of a great writer I think I am, or about my success at it & blah blah blah. Simply stating that I'm informed on the topic matter because I have professional experience in it isn't something I'd consider bragging.
that game is as shallow as it is wide
Yet you don't seem to be able to expound on that or give any actual detail on what you mean. I mean, when I critiqued your beloved Hangovercat's game, I listed in detail specifically what the issues were, why they were an issue, gave specific examples & articulated why they don't work & even gave solutions to the problems.
& your critique of my game? "It's shallow & wide". Uh huh.... Oh yeah... Definitely legitimate & well articulated criticism. Definitely well made points. Certainly not a nebulous, empty attempt to throw insults by an unstable, salty NTR fanatic that stalked me here just to try to restart a nearly 2 years old dead argument. Noooo, certainly not THAT.
Now that I've addressed your.... ugh... yeah... Anyway. Let me ask you this. Why are you here? Why are you putting my name in your mouth? Are you obsessed with me or something? Dude. I moved on from you clowns nearly 2 years ago. Move on man. Let it go. I'm here in this thread to answer the question the OP asked & that's exactly what I did. I basically told him, in short, don't worry about the kinks, just focus on making a good, well written story with good, well rounded characters & make sure that the game is quality & shows real effort & passion went into it & you'll usually have the best odds for success. Otherwise, if it's just a quick cash grab, pick a niche, cater to that niche & you'll have some moderate success, & ignore the entitled, brain dead people that make demands, (not not to be confused with reasonable requests, or suggestions, or offering constructive feedback), especially from the extreme NTR fanatic & extreme anti-NTR crowds, as they tend to be the worst offenders of overly entitled, overly aggressive & overly idiotic bullshit, ALL of which is objectively true facts. None of what you posted here has anything to do with that, nor what the OP asked about. So again, why are you here, if not to stalk me so that you could revive an old fight that I've been done with for years? Because if your goal was to make ME look bad, I hate to tell ya, but it looks like it's backfiring on ya. All you've managed to do is make yourself look like an overly aggressive stalker that can't let shit go.