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I thought about it, but I ended up deciding that changing Zoe to be more politically correct wouldn't make sense when my intention isn't to make a mainstream product for the general public or anything like that. I ended up deciding that keeping her radicalism was the right thing to do, even if it might offend or alienate some players. Just imagine if all the authors of all the games decided that they couldn't have prejudiced characters, for example, characters like Zoe would simply cease to exist and I can't see any situation where having less variety of personalities is good in the name of making something more friendly. And yes, someone might say that Zoe would be a better character if she didn't openly say that she “hates faggots”, but I don't want to make a good character either, I want to make Zoe, and that's who she isTurning down the extreme homophobia might make this less annoying to play
Zoe being homophobic adds quite literally nothing to her character. It just makes it clear that the Dev is a bigot themselves.I thought about it, but I ended up deciding that changing Zoe to be more politically correct wouldn't make sense when my intention isn't to make a mainstream product for the general public or anything like that. I ended up deciding that keeping her radicalism was the right thing to do, even if it might offend or alienate some players. Just imagine if all the authors of all the games decided that they couldn't have prejudiced characters, for example, characters like Zoe would simply cease to exist and I can't see any situation where having less variety of personalities is good in the name of making something more friendly. And yes, someone might say that Zoe would be a better character if she didn't openly say that she “hates faggots”, but I don't want to make a good character either, I want to make Zoe, and that's who she is.
I've already posted the answer to this argument in the previous message. For me, the idea that Zoe would be a “better character” if it weren't for X and Y says nothing. Zoe is Zoe, with her qualities and flaws. Someone might say she'd be better with big boobs, but she has small boobs, that's how Zoe is.Zoe being homophobic adds quite literally nothing to her character. It just makes it clear that the Dev is a bigot themselves.
In other words, "no beliefs were harmed during the making of this game".I've already posted the answer to this argument in the previous message. For me, the idea that Zoe would be a “better character” if it weren't for X and Y says nothing. Zoe is Zoe, with her qualities and flaws. Someone might say she'd be better with big boobs, but she has small boobs, that's how Zoe is.
Even if someone scientifically proved to me that Zoe would be a better character if she were tolerant, I'd still refuse to change her, just as I wouldn't make Zoe have big boobs even if someone proved to me that she'd be better with mega tits. I don't want to offend people with my games, I see them as mindless fun, but there's a certain limit to this idea, because the only way not to offend anyone is to make something totally sterile. So I've decided that Zoe will continue to spout her atrocities even though it might make some players dislike her, the game, etc.
In fact, I don't agree that her prejudice adds anything to the character either. I plan for Zoe and Pamela to have a good chemistry between them, and the fact that Zoe is so prejudiced against homosexuals just makes the idea of her having a solid friendship with a lesbian more interesting.
Finally, this thing about judging the author by the work is another thing I don't take into consideration. I have the following philosophy: the works should speak for themselves, the authors don't matter. I don't even consider Zoe “my” character, really. I consider Zoe a character who doesn't depend on me to be who she is. My job as the game's author is to make Zoe act like Zoe, if that makes sense. I see myself only as the medium that allows an established character to act and react to circumstances. That's because I'm not trying to do anything deeply meaningful here, the characters in my games aren't tools to pass on messages, my games aren't philosophical and don't have a moral to be learned. They're just sandboxes for people to meet horny characters.
If this were true, Stephen King would be considered a fan of murderers because he writes them so well.Zoe being homophobic adds quite literally nothing to her character. It just makes it clear that the Dev is a bigot themselves.
I'll be honest, it certainly doesn't help your case when you have Zoe's homophobia be vindicated by the story the principal tells where the gay activist she got in a fight with was actually raping two young boys, but "the media" covers it up to not make him look bad. It's the sort of scenario that sounds like it came from some sort of far right conspiracy theorist.Finally, this thing about judging the author by the work is another thing I don't take into consideration. I have the following philosophy: the works should speak for themselves, the authors don't matter.
I'm not trying to defend myself against the accusation that I'm a "bigot", because as I said, the only thing that matters is the work, fuck the artist. That's my philosophy. I'm not important, what I think and what I do, my morality, the “sins” I commit, that doesn't matter and so I don't feel there's a “case” where I'm being judged as you implied.I'll be honest, it certainly doesn't help your case when you have Zoe's homophobia be vindicated by the story the principal tells where the gay activist she got in a fight with was actually raping two young boys, but "the media" covers it up to not make him look bad. It's the sort of scenario that sounds like it came from some sort of far right conspiracy theorist.
All of the discussion around Zoe's behavior is framed as bad because it could get her in trouble "with the current climate" as opposed to homophobia being wrong in its own right. It's like half a degree away from complaining about "political correctness".
You also have Melissa (an authority figure) repeat the lie that the word "homphobia" isn't correct because they don't have a "phobia" (ignoring the fact that plenty of words use the suffix -phobia to express an aversion vs simply a fear, eg "hydrophobia"). It's something that homophobes try and pull all the time to deflect. She also pulls some similar BS about "disagreement doesn't mean disrespect", which again, is something homophobes try and say to justify their bigotry as a legitimte matter of opinion. Finally, she excuses hatred of gay activists as justified.
These instances go beyond simply writing Zoe as a flawed, homophobic character. It shows a level of the author's intention and beliefs that slip through.
Except the game is very much affected by the artist's personal, homophobic grievances, which you even admit are true later on in your post where you let the mask slip and start complaining about gay people and "political correctness". It's always been simmering under the surface with the way Zoe speaks (which comes across like a teenage boy raised on 4chan far more than any girl that's ever existed), but it hits you over the head again and again with the whole principal/Pamela plotline. You're not nearly as subtle as you think you are about showing your hand when you write this stuff. It comes off as weird and off-putting because normal people don't have these bigoted obsessions.I'm not trying to defend myself against the accusation that I'm a "bigot", because as I said, the only thing that matters is the work, fuck the artist. That's my philosophy. I'm not important, what I think and what I do, my morality, the “sins” I commit, that doesn't matter and so I don't feel there's a “case” where I'm being judged as you implied.
You see, I made it clear in part 2 that if you start from a certain pre-established moral code, my game is obviously going to be “wrong”. I cited an example: Christianity. Now let's see your comment, but from a Christian point of view:Except the game is very much affected by the artist's personal, homophobic grievances, which you even admit are true later on in your post where you let the mask slip and start complaining about gay people and "political correctness". It's always been simmering under the surface with the way Zoe speaks (which comes across like a teenage boy raised on 4chan far more than any girl that's ever existed), but it hits you over the head again and again with the whole principal/Pamela plotline. You're not nearly as subtle as you think you are about showing your hand when you write this stuff. It comes off as weird and off-putting because normal people don't have these bigoted obsessions.
I'm not going to try to pretend that I can change your personal views about this, but just avoid the topic man. No one wants a porn game to turn into the writer's excuse to rant about how much they hate gay and trans people through thinly-veiled mouthpieces. It's super obvious what you're doing when you make the gay men into pedophilic rapists and the trans people into child predators who try and force minors to transition against their will, thereby traumatizing them into thinking they're gay (which the MC I'm sure will fix by fucking them).
When you say that I'm letting the mask slip, you're implying that I'm trying to pretend that I follow the same moral code as you, but guess what, I'm not, and that doesn't mean that I'm a person who wants to harm someone. Just as someone doesn't need to be a Christian to respect real life human beings and other Christians, a person doesn't need to think like you to respect real life human beings and gays. Another thing is that you seem to consider “political correctness” some kind of forbidden term. My games are clearly politically incorrect, just as, I don't know, Family Guy is a cartoon with politically incorrect humor.which you even admit are true later on in your post where you let the mask slip and start complaining about gay people and "political correctness"
I've said several times that my intention is to make a game that provides entertainment that doesn't take itself seriously with silly, juvenile humor (mainly for heterosexual men). There is no attempt at subtlety, Zoe in one conversation says that Hannah's ex-boyfriend is a “faggot” because he “has sex with his ass”. This kind of sloppy writing, which, as you said, reads like a shitpost from 4chan, is exactly the tone of the game. Unless you're some kind of fundamentalist who believes that gays should be immune to jokes, there's no argument against this writing. You can say it's bad writing, and I'll agree. But you seem to be implying that it's a “forbidden” kind of writing, which is unacceptable from my point of view.You're not nearly as subtle as you think you are about showing your hand when you write this stuff. It comes off as weird and off-putting because normal people don't have these bigoted obsessions.
This brings me back to what I wrote in the previous post: “why the hell are you thinking about me while playing my game?”. Seriously, I'm not important, I'm just a guy living in South America who made some porn games. And why do you think I should avoid certain topics? Are they sacred?I'm not going to try to pretend that I can change your personal views about this, but just avoid the topic man
Many people like politically incorrect characters and situations (I know you don't like this term). Solvalley's Milena is a character loved by many players who have emailed me, and guess what, she openly says she hates "dykes" even though she has relationships with at least 4 girls during the game's story.No one wants a porn game to turn into the writer's excuse to rant about how much they hate gay and trans people through thinly-veiled mouthpieces
And now, we've come full circle and you're repeating the same arguments from the beginning.It's super obvious what you're doing when you make the gay men into pedophilic rapists and the trans people into child predators who try and force minors to transition against their will, thereby traumatizing them into thinking they're gay
Part of the audience, made up of heterosexual men, likes this idea. Not all of them, another part prefers lesbians to be exclusively with other women. Anyway, you must remember that I said I had to make a choice, and I decided to favor the group of heterosexual men who are the majority of players, at the risk of offending other groups (such as gays, bisexuals, trans, etc.).(which the MC I'm sure will fix by fucking them).
- my game has scenes of raw, unfiltered humor where characters talk openly about controversial topics. The characters' lines are unfiltered and may offend some people. The lines don't consider certain human groups to be untouchable or sacred, so some characters may express opinions that may shock some people. If you think that characters can never show disrespect or dislike for gay people, and that certain groups can never be portrayed as villains, only as heroes in an idealized way, don't play this game.
Thank you.
TK.
P.S.:if you're gay, or bisexual, or trans, and you don't mind offensive jokes, you can play the game anyway because there are a lot of sex scenes that you might enjoy. And I have nothing against you and I hope you cum a lot with the game.
Unrelated, but the above statement is funny. For as far as I am in the game, everyone comes off as either True Neutral at best or Neutral Evil at worst. The latter one is an opportunistic case as well, and Zoe is among the bunch who'd probably violate several human rights if the "price is right", lol"and that certain groups can never be portrayed as villains, only as heroes in an idealized way
Yes sir, ppl don't mind when Christian priests are demonized, but wouldnt dare point out rabbis are far more nefarious and predatoryYou see, I made it clear in part 2 that if you start from a certain pre-established moral code, my game is obviously going to be “wrong”. I cited an example: Christianity. Now let's see your comment, but from a Christian point of view:
"Except the game is very much affected by the artist's personal, anti-christian grievances"
As you may agree, that's not important. The fact that an author seems to have a grudge against Christianity when writing a porn game is not something that's relevant. However, it will become relevant if you are a fundamentalist Christian who thinks that all authors need to clearly demonstrate that they are in line with Christian doctrine. Ironically, that's the position of a religious bigot.
When you say that I'm letting the mask slip, you're implying that I'm trying to pretend that I follow the same moral code as you, but guess what, I'm not, and that doesn't mean that I'm a person who wants to harm someone. Just as someone doesn't need to be a Christian to respect real life human beings and other Christians, a person doesn't need to think like you to respect real life human beings and gays. Another thing is that you seem to consider “political correctness” some kind of forbidden term. My games are clearly politically incorrect, just as, I don't know, Family Guy is a cartoon with politically incorrect humor.
I've said several times that my intention is to make a game that provides entertainment that doesn't take itself seriously with silly, juvenile humor (mainly for heterosexual men). There is no attempt at subtlety, Zoe in one conversation says that Hannah's ex-boyfriend is a “faggot” because he “has sex with his ass”. This kind of sloppy writing, which, as you said, reads like a shitpost from 4chan, is exactly the tone of the game. Unless you're some kind of fundamentalist who believes that gays should be immune to jokes, there's no argument against this writing. You can say it's bad writing, and I'll agree. But you seem to be implying that it's a “forbidden” kind of writing, which is unacceptable from my point of view.
This brings me back to what I wrote in the previous post: “why the hell are you thinking about me while playing my game?”. Seriously, I'm not important, I'm just a guy living in South America who made some porn games. And why do you think I should avoid certain topics? Are they sacred?
Many people like politically incorrect characters and situations (I know you don't like this term). Solvalley's Milena is a character loved by many players who have emailed me, and guess what, she openly says she hates "dykes" even though she has relationships with at least 4 girls during the game's story.
I'm not the most successful dev in the world, but if nobody liked this stupid unfiltered humor, probably nobody would be playing my games, since I started with Solvalley which is several levels more controversial and less filtered than HS Tutor.
And now, we've come full circle and you're repeating the same arguments from the beginning.
You probably don't mind when Catholic priests are portrayed as sexual predators who see altar boys as fresh meat to be abused, and look, I'm not judging you, I'm not saying you should care about the way priests are portrayed in entertainment products, what I'm saying is that no one has immunity to being portrayed as a villain, not even gays or trans (or the heterosexual perverts who traumatized Pamela that you forgot to mention).
It really seems to me that you have the mentality of a censor. You can't accept that someone would create an entertainment product where a gay person is portrayed as a bad person.
Part of the audience, made up of heterosexual men, likes this idea. Not all of them, another part prefers lesbians to be exclusively with other women. Anyway, you must remember that I said I had to make a choice, and I decided to favor the group of heterosexual men who are the majority of players, at the risk of offending other groups (such as gays, bisexuals, trans, etc.).
But from the tone of your messages, it seems to me that catering to the audience of heterosexual men who aren't offended by gay jokes, who aren't offended when gays aren't portrayed in an idealized way, and like the idea of a lesbian becoming addicted to MC cock, is a sin. That's the only reason I replied to your message again, really. I wanted to show you that you are basically trying to dictate what is acceptable content and what is not. You're showing intolerance to jokes that make fun of a gay person (but you don't mind jokes that make fun of heterosexuals). You're showing intolerance for when a gay person is portrayed as a villain (but you don't care when heterosexuals are portrayed as villains). I respect your criticism and I'm the first to recognize that my game isn't exactly made to please people with your personal taste, but this censor mentality is quite unpleasant.
And no, Pamela is not going to become heterosexual. But she will learn to like dicks as well as pussies.
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to avoid further controversial discussions, I'm going to stop posting on this specific subject. You or anyone else can comment on it, and say how nefarious the game is, I'll read it because I care, but I won't respond anymore. Anyway, I'll make a statement here: