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- Jan 22, 2020
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This was fun, I liked how often you got to be a dick in it ... I kinda woulda liked to have the "too big dick" early end tagged when using hints as you can't really see that coming just based on who you follow one time ... but how episode 10 ended was really good (I went through a few different ways) and I'd definitely play it again to see how all that works out.
Regarding to some of the comments about where the story is going... I'm no shrink, but I think the appeal of this game to most players is the aspect of control. 
Some people like to be in control. Some people like to relinquish control. I fall into the former category and I absolutely cannot relate to the latter category. I think those people are weird, but I accept it's what those people are into.
The issue with Laura is that she is dishonest, and she uses that dishonesty to try to control the MC and turn her fantasy into reality. Apparently she would rather lie her way into obtaining a false reality than earn it. But nobody likes dishonesty, and that separates her from the MC. The idea of the MC being the good guy with the same power is because he is comparatively honest and hypnotized people pretty much only when they asked him to. He also didn't ask to make his cum delicious, that was an "accident" on Leah and Ashley's part. (I think having a small army of cum guzzlers is really hot though). The distinction is necessary to understand the conflict. No conflict means no story, and the MC would just be another dirty rapist.
I think this game is a lot of fun and I like it a lot. Though mostly linear, with a lot of dead choices, the core characters are pushed onto the MC because they're needed to keep the story moving forward. Yet this latest update has at least two or three different ways the chapter can end that I've found. Props to the devs for putting in the effort.
Some people like to be in control. Some people like to relinquish control. I fall into the former category and I absolutely cannot relate to the latter category. I think those people are weird, but I accept it's what those people are into.
The issue with Laura is that she is dishonest, and she uses that dishonesty to try to control the MC and turn her fantasy into reality. Apparently she would rather lie her way into obtaining a false reality than earn it. But nobody likes dishonesty, and that separates her from the MC. The idea of the MC being the good guy with the same power is because he is comparatively honest and hypnotized people pretty much only when they asked him to. He also didn't ask to make his cum delicious, that was an "accident" on Leah and Ashley's part. (I think having a small army of cum guzzlers is really hot though). The distinction is necessary to understand the conflict. No conflict means no story, and the MC would just be another dirty rapist.
I think this game is a lot of fun and I like it a lot. Though mostly linear, with a lot of dead choices, the core characters are pushed onto the MC because they're needed to keep the story moving forward. Yet this latest update has at least two or three different ways the chapter can end that I've found. Props to the devs for putting in the effort.
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Doesn't exist.
He's got them addicted to his cum like it's crack. The sweet, innocent girl next door is now a drooling cumdump, she's nothing like she was when she first appeared.
He's almst split another girl from a guy she loved and was about to get married to.
He fucked his best friends sister when asked not to.
Jenn was also strung along thinking she actually meant something to him.
We all like the game but let's at least be honest, no matter how you go about things there is no good guy in this game. Just varying degrees of dickishness.
MC is no better than Laura. The only difference between them is people here don't like it being used against them. Okay when they do it, not okay to have it done to them.
He didn't get them addicted and didn't even know what was happening. It was two of the girls' actions which did that.
It was the girl's choice to get involved with him. She wanted a last fling before tying the knot. In the process of having that she realized what she'd be missing out on and decided not to get married. That was all her uncoerced choice and, frankly, I think it was a mature one, much better than getting married and only years later down the road regretting it. The addiction issue is something none of them as yet knew anything about.
I don't ever recall him making a promise not to screw the sister.
Jenn does mean something to him, or at least she does on my arch. I don't recall any explicit promise of monogamy and I don't think monogamy is necessarily what it means to mean something to someone. He's never lied to her. Certainly people should be more open and clear and explicit about these things irl than in the game, but the game has to concentrate a lot of time and events down to a few, and irl you don't have magic cum and growing dicks and boobs.
Laura lined up people just to humiliate them, stole, lied, and that's all before you even play this update. After this update I hear it gets a LOT worse. The MC is nothing like her.
- Dec 4, 2017
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MC didn't make his cum addictive, that was Leah/Ashley which hypnotized him and apparently body changes can't be reversed.
U can turn down Brittney and it was her who wanted bang with MC in the bar not the other way arround.
Why shouldn't he start a relationship with Leah just because of Corry ? also Leah want that too + Corry can gives his approval to the MC (deppending on a choice)
Jenn knows about Leah/Ash.
MC didn't forced someone to do things against their will, he only used the watch as the girls asked him and did what they wanted him to do. Thats a large difference to what Laura does.
- Aug 22, 2018
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He was there when they did it, did nothing to stop them nor changed it when they did.
From the start of the game he's asked not to fuck Leah and it's strongly hinted that her parents wouldn't approve either. The very people that gave him a roof over his head.
In fact, if you follow her ending they hate him when they find out and never forgive him. They tolerate him because Leah was happy but they don't like him.
- Sep 26, 2016
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What's the point of having choices when they all lead to the same result?
No matter the choice, MC ends up getting outplayed and outsmarted. And he has to act like a drooling idiot in order to do that. Any sane person would simply overwrite the commands the second they got the watch back in their hands. Especially the person who knows what it can do better than anyone else.
Reminds me of those movies where the protags have to act extremely dumb, ignoring obvious danger for the sake of suspense...
No matter the choice, MC ends up getting outplayed and outsmarted. And he has to act like a drooling idiot in order to do that. Any sane person would simply overwrite the commands the second they got the watch back in their hands. Especially the person who knows what it can do better than anyone else.
Reminds me of those movies where the protags have to act extremely dumb, ignoring obvious danger for the sake of suspense...
He was hypnotized / asleep. He had no idea what they did. And even if/when he did learn, he thought it was just "magically delicious" cum, not addictive cum. Even the girls didn't realize what they had done nor is it clear that they intended the outcome.
I thought you were talking about Laura's sister, not Corey's. But it still doesn't matter because being asked not to do something and promising not to do it are two entirely different things. I don't recall him promising not to. And even if he did promise, there's a huge difference in MC pursuing Leah and her pursuing the MC, especially as aggressively as she did. Hell, if I recall correctly, even her mom pursued him (or one of the girl's moms). The MC shouldn't stay anywhere he's not welcome and I don't think he is nor has to. There are plenty of other places he could find to flop. And Leah doesn't have to stay with him either if she doesn't want. MC has done literally nothing to force her to do anything she doesn't want ... the same goes for every other character ... no one has been compelled to anything, deceived, or etc. by the MC. From the beginning all he's used the watch for is things which the other characters either explicitly requested him to use it for or willingly gave him the freedom to use it for. Laura otoh is totally different. She's a liar using magic and deceit to force people to do things against their will or their best interests.
Yeah, I have to say I am fairly disappointed with where this game ended up. It was a silly parody of a hypnosis game that keeps getting darker every update. Not that there is anything wrong with that but it isn't what I wanted. It doesn't seem there is any ending that is going to be "good" at this point. And that's not the story I am looking for right now.
Absolutly hated episode 10. Not my thing at all, and even if it was the thing I hate more than what just happened is every "choice" leading to the same outcome. Something about that just grinds my gears.
I did actually support this on patreon for episode 8 and immediately stopped supporting when the theft happened because I could see where the story was heading, and I was right. I said as much to the Dev when I stopped my support.
Im sure he will keep going the way he is and that's fine, maybe when this is completed I could stomach a full playthough just to satisfy my completionism OCD!
I did actually support this on patreon for episode 8 and immediately stopped supporting when the theft happened because I could see where the story was heading, and I was right. I said as much to the Dev when I stopped my support.
Im sure he will keep going the way he is and that's fine, maybe when this is completed I could stomach a full playthough just to satisfy my completionism OCD!
- Sep 26, 2016
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I wouldn't say dark as I have played far "darker" games than this one. I just like to have agency in a VN with different routes. And it's jarring when the character you are playing is forced to act like a mentally challenged person for the sake of plot progression. It kinda feels like the game is playing itself and you are just observing.
I mean, I'm sure there are players who would be perfectly fine with becoming Laura's bitches, and it's good to have that route open. But it's really weird to build a whole game around the concept of MC controlling and manipulating others and then proceed to take all control away from the player no matter the choice. I'm sure it was done for the sake of the stupid cliffhanger but I never liked those anyway...
Pretty sure those are three different ends of chapter 10. Grace grabbing Daphne at the end meaning Daphne isn't packing her things from Grace's; all three of them calling Laura Mistress; MC walking out on Leah, Ashley and Cory without saying a word. Last one sounds like harem to the rescue, second one sounds like bad end, first one is Daphne doing something. My bet is Daphne will pretend to be hypnotised Grace and smack Laura in the back of the head with something heavy regardless of which variation it was
It's the usual "villain getting the upper hand before hero pulls some trick or miracle" trope. Judging by you people getting all riled up and emotional the author did great. Power wanks are fun, but not every story should be a power wank, you know?
It's the usual "villain getting the upper hand before hero pulls some trick or miracle" trope. Judging by you people getting all riled up and emotional the author did great. Power wanks are fun, but not every story should be a power wank, you know?
Oh yes, there are definitely darker games. I just try to avoid them, usually I avoid all Mind Control games but I decided to take a chance because I'd heard that it didn't take the hypnosis too seriously.
I feel that story and choice are the two most important parts of a VN to me. If you take away choice and have a subpar plot then the "game" isn't really a game, instead it is just about the fuck scenes, and in my opinion this VN can't stand on those scenes alone.
- Nov 8, 2019
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I am happy I waited till chapter 10 came out to download this game. Was looking for a happy fun game with MC in it. now I read the reviews of the game after chapter 10 and well I guess I will wait till chapter 11 because as of now not caring about the game.
He didn't get them addicted, it was the girls that done it to him and he didn't know for a long time that it actually worked.
Britanny was the instigator of that whole thing, MC never hypnotized her to do anything.
Neither were Jenn, and there's a choice of rejecting her by the way.
Unlike Laura, who intentionally decided to control people with the watch, the MC, if you play it that way, never did anything like that, only used it when he was asked to use it. That's a massive difference, and not about being used or not.
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Yes, I also believe this is the case. I thing it is sign of good game when author manage to make players feel such strong emotions. I don't have any doubts that there will be way to just stop Laura and maybe even one to punish her in some way.
Either way I find it funny that people are OK with MC brainwashing the girls but are furious when one of them is brainwashing MC
Ending with you and everyone else getting "blindsided" and hypnotized was really hot cliff hanger despite it being rather predictable (also the one where you subdue Daphne cause you're unaware of being entranced was an unexpected hot spin for an ending).
I'm just wondering if there was a route to avoid this all together like hypnotizing you know who to be not such a bitch or just have a dominant route where you right off the bat make all the girls open to a harem idea.
Also I do wish there were more "good guy" routes as in where you're not trying to bang every girl and actually try to romance the ones you have sex with. Like you can still have sex with multiple but you don't turn them into nymphos (like people are complaining happens to Jenn).
Like just commit to one girl and give her a hypnosis fetish and while you two work together to hypnotize other characters you can decide if monogamous or not. Or like commit to just Ashley and Leah and have that 3-way relationship and you share the hypnosis with them, letting them hypnotize each other and you to. Like in a weird way its both sweet and sexy having a girl hypnotize you to desire just her (or in my Ash/Leah idea both of them) and I like that about the Laura route. It's just having that in your back pocket but still trying to hurt other girls is pretty big bitch move.
I'm just wondering if there was a route to avoid this all together like hypnotizing you know who to be not such a bitch or just have a dominant route where you right off the bat make all the girls open to a harem idea.
Also I do wish there were more "good guy" routes as in where you're not trying to bang every girl and actually try to romance the ones you have sex with. Like you can still have sex with multiple but you don't turn them into nymphos (like people are complaining happens to Jenn).
Like just commit to one girl and give her a hypnosis fetish and while you two work together to hypnotize other characters you can decide if monogamous or not. Or like commit to just Ashley and Leah and have that 3-way relationship and you share the hypnosis with them, letting them hypnotize each other and you to. Like in a weird way its both sweet and sexy having a girl hypnotize you to desire just her (or in my Ash/Leah idea both of them) and I like that about the Laura route. It's just having that in your back pocket but still trying to hurt other girls is pretty big bitch move.
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Ohhh I have no issues with the MC being brainwashed but I do have issues with Cliffhangers, hints why I am waiting for chapter 11 to even download the game.Yes, I also believe this is the case. I thing it is sign of good game when author manage to make players feel such strong emotions. I don't have any doubts that there will be way to just stop Laura and maybe even one to punish her in some way.
Either way I find it funny that people are OK with MC brainwashing the girls but are furious when one of them is brainwashing MC
I think it's pretty understandable that people who were playing the game for one fetish aren't happy with a different one showing up. And yes I'm considering hypnotizing and being hypnotized as seperate fetishes. In the same way you might not be pleased if your hetero porn suddenly turned into gay porn. "Oh, now you don't like it when the guy is getting fucked up the ass all of a sudden?"Yes, I also believe this is the case. I thing it is sign of good game when author manage to make players feel such strong emotions. I don't have any doubts that there will be way to just stop Laura and maybe even one to punish her in some way.
Either way I find it funny that people are OK with MC brainwashing the girls but are furious when one of them is brainwashing MC
Also I highly doubt anyone is "feeling strong emotions" about the fate of the characters. People had "strong emotions" about the ending of ME3 and that was because they felt the writing was BAD. They're annoyed the story took a turn they didn't like and felt was a turn off. Which is a very fair point when a good part of the game is to provide sexual pleasure.