Eh, I wouldn't include both of them in this. Shaf had some good points and brought evidence of Makise's mentality. And on the other hand, if being pragmatic, pleasant, and polite is "cringe" to some people then so be it.
I always framed my opinions on the matter as... well... opinions (go back read if you want, it's always "I don't think this will end well" or "I don't know how I feel about this") and if people disagree with that sentiment then I ain't (seriously) judging outside of the offhand remarks. I'm here for the waifus and scenes, the occasional tech support's a pleasant bonus, and my opinions are my own.
Not gonna lie, I was very ready and willing for this whole thing to just get forgotten and moved on from by this point
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And once again, in an attempt to move the fuck on: Could we put together a list of authors that mark their cards and put it in one post to link to whenever someone asks for them? Could cut down on some of the e-beggars around here. I only really know of Yata, AntY, and Suou but I know there are way more than that.
Also thinking of putting together a wordpress or someshit with common problems like the KK Sunshine Necromorph (elongated limbs) shenanigans and links to Xukmi's FX shaders and other mods commonly asked for.