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What's stopping MC from just dumping one of them, or himself, into another world, though? Well, beyond the plot of course. It's not like these prophecies are actually omnipotent and far reaching. To be frank, MC and Elin could just open a portal to another universe to avoid the calamity altogether. Whether that be dumping the others over there with them or leaving by themselves. The fate of one universe shouldn't realistically have any hold on the other.

Not to mention. What happens to MC when some of them die of old age or by something else completely beyond his control? Especially if it's Cass. She's human after all. I think that's a pretty bad fate for MC. That he has to basically babysit them and make sure they're all happily content with their existence.

Don't worry about some of that above there. That's just me rambling about some thoughts I had about the prophecy.
Well, this isn't a sci-fi type story and traveling to entire new world and universes is not the focus. The focus is on *this* world they live on, so asking why they can't just destroy everything they are supposed to protect, on some whim, doesn't make much sense regardless of story plot.

And what happens when one of them dies of old age? Well we'd assume the current issues would be long resolved by then, no? I doubt the prophecy was intended to be forever, but mainly to direct the MC on the *current situation* and to guide them past the issue without fucking shit up. This is in line with typical, and normal, fantasy type stories who don't really worry about things that might happen decades later, unless the prophecy alludes to that, and this one distinctly does not do so.
 

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Well, this isn't a sci-fi type story and traveling to entire new world and universes is not the focus. The focus is on *this* world they live on, so asking why they can't just destroy everything they are supposed to protect, on some whim, doesn't make much sense regardless of story plot.

And what happens when one of them dies of old age? Well we'd assume the current issues would be long resolved by then, no? I doubt the prophecy was intended to be forever, but mainly to direct the MC on the *current situation* and to guide them past the issue without fucking shit up. This is in line with typical, and normal, fantasy type stories who don't really worry about things that might happen decades later, unless the prophecy alludes to that, and this one distinctly does not do so.
That's the thing though. We don't know when MC will complete it or be free from the prophecy. It could persist until MC himself dies. In which case, MC is trapped with keeping whoever the 3 are alive. Pretty much until he dies. That honestly sounds like a shitty hand to be dealt.

Especially if MC can't finish the prophecy by just resolving their issues way before their time expires. Because the way Cass behaves, her HP bar is destined to go to E way too many times.
 

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Very impressive work Lazy_Monkey, thank you for the game!

The world-building is excellent - striking balance between giving you enough and gradual information for the world to feel real without boring you and/or detracting from the story. Characters feel genuine, with their own motivations and desires, instead of being props and mere placeholders for MC's dick. The branching based on choices is also very good, lot more thorough than your usual AVN, the red coronation ending gave me chills. Any chance there could be opportunity to double-cross Calahan in the future? I think that would be fantastic and would not require too many changes/additions I feel. And having psycho-Cass as a sub is highly satisfying. Well-written story, really like the MC's path(s) so far, you can be goody two-shoes or a rapey, manipulative bastard (while I prefer the former, the latter is well done and gives a bit more "ooomph" to the story). The music and accompanying sound at key moments are done juuuuuust right. Really enjoyed this one!

Are you planning a steam release? would buy on day 1. Gonna have to check out your other game now, keep up the good work man!
 

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That's the thing though. We don't know when MC will complete it or be free from the prophecy. It could persist until MC himself dies. In which case, MC is trapped with keeping whoever the 3 are alive. Pretty much until he dies. That honestly sounds like a shitty hand to be dealt.

Especially if MC can't finish the prophecy by just resolving their issues way before their time expires. Because the way Cass behaves, her HP bar is destined to go to E way too many times.
Only the lazy monkey can confirm you for sure, but...

Maybe the question isn't whether they die or not, but whether the MC kills them or not...

From what I've read from the comments, Cass is one that can:
Stay alive
die for MC
die by third parties

If so, just killing Cass with the MC would be considered a "path to ruin"
 
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Only the lazy monkey can confirm you for sure, but...

Maybe the question isn't whether they die or not, but whether the MC kills them or not...

From what I've read from the comments, Cass is one that can:
Stay alive
die for MC
die by third parties

If so, just killing Cass with the MC would be considered a "path to ruin"
That's an interesting take. It definitely would be much less excessive than pretty much having to be their guardian angel. As that's pretty unrealistic that you have to guarantee they live, no matter what they do. I will definitely find out for sure in the future. I have 3 playthroughs with Cass dead on them already. All via different means. I will do the same with Elin or whoever is the other two from the prophecy.

All that said. It's honestly kind of crazy how I still haven't reached my Mage and Bookworm playthroughs yet. This update brought so much stuff with Cass that I'm branching my warrior saves like crazy now. I went from 3 to like 7 or 8 now. For added context, I only do extreme stuff on the warrior path. For Mage and Bookworm, I try not to be too murder crazy.
 

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That's an interesting take. It definitely would be much less excessive than pretty much having to be their guardian angel. As that's pretty unrealistic that you have to guarantee they live, no matter what they do. I will definitely find out for sure in the future. I have 3 playthroughs with Cass dead on them already. All via different means. I will do the same with Elin or whoever is the other two from the prophecy.

All that said. It's honestly kind of crazy how I still haven't reached my Mage and Bookworm playthroughs yet. This update brought so much stuff with Cass that I'm branching my warrior saves like crazy now. I went from 3 to like 7 or 8 now. For added context, I only do extreme stuff on the warrior path. For Mage and Bookworm, I try not to be too murder crazy.
I don't know for sure, but I see the snake prophecy as follows
Arker --> Cass
Alaina --> mom
Ludwing --> Callahan
 

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I love this VN, my sole real complaint being that the mage route continues to feel like an afterthought in comparison to the other two.
 
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[[SPOILERS AHEAD]]
To all; say what you want about Cass, although she is not my favorite I wont deny that she is certainly a ride-or-die chick and probably sees MC like herself too. I mean she knew and said that coup's success depends on MC and so it did. She fucked up without MC, she knew she was going to fuck up without MC. Thing bothering me is that her foolishness reached to point where she convinced herself MC wants the exactly the same things as herself and when turned down she either gets herself killed instantly in self-pity (aka suicide) or initiate her half-baked plan which may be called her prolonged suicide. The coup was in motion way before the wedding maybe even before MC came to palace... This confirms she really believed MC would want to join her. She hoped that MC is still the mischevous kid she knew and hoped that exile, humiliation and all the other things made him bitter or better yet vengeful like herself; because this is what she became after all that.

Behind that pragmatist and physco mask; she is very lonely, not alone mind you. Yeah, she has her aunt and her uncle or whatever... They only use her for their ends, for their revenge. All you simps, simping in harmony, praising her: Queen this, Queen that blabla... ignoring the fact that she is the one who broke the family up. Caused the exile of MC therefore made Cass isolate herself, made Elin go to the Tower. In addition to these, she may have been the mother figure for Cass but no, she choose to antogonize her. No doubt Queen has her own agenda in favor of MC but come to think of it, did she ever asked what MC wants? Quite the contrary, she is being rather pushy about whole regency and succession thing. Add to this: although she didn't make any moves yet, she is certainly the one who set the events in motion in the past. All these reminded me of a line in the Dune, a line about Jessica.

“My mother is my enemy. She does not know it, but she is. She is bringing the jihad. She bore me; she trained me. She is my enemy.”

―Frank Herbert,
Dune

Hey, I may exaggerating things lads, feel free to give haha reaction or better yet bully me.
 
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[[SPOILERS AHEAD]]
To all; say what you want about Cass, although she is not my favorite she is certainly a ride-or-die chick and probably sees MC like herself too. I mean she knew and said that coup's success depends on MC and so it did. She fucked up, she knew she was gonna fuck up without MC. The coup was in motion way before the wedding maybe even before MC came to palace... She hoped that MC is still the mischevous kid she knew and hoped that exile, humiliation and all the other things made him bitter or better yet vengeful like herself; because this is what she became after all that.

Behind that pragmatist and physco mask; she is very lonely, not alone mind you. Yeah, she has her aunt and her uncle or whatever... They only use her for their ends, for their revenge. All you simps, simping together like: Queen this, Queen that blabla... ignoring the fact that she is the one who broke the family up. Caused the exile of MC therefore made Cass isolate herself, made Elin go to the Tower. In addition to these, she may have been the mother figure for Cass but no, she choose to antogonize her. No doubt Queen has her own agenda in favor of MC but come to think of it, did she ever asked what MC wants? Quite the contrary, she is being rather pushy about whole regency and succession thing. Add to this: although she didn't make any moves yet, but she is certainly the one who set the events in motion in the past. All these reminded me of a line in the Dune, a line about Jessica. Did they used this line in the movie, anyone?
“My mother is my enemy. She does not know it, but she is. She is bringing the jihad. She bore me; she trained me. She is my enemy.”

―Frank Herbert,
Dune

Hey, I may exaggerating things lads, feel free to give haha reaction or better yet bully me.
I agree, even if cass were the protagonist, the work would be called cinderella... There are many similarities in the evil stepmother who excludes her husband's first daughter from the family, and she was very clear about this at the table...
 
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This AVN i very good, story is awsome, renders are good and models also. I have only one thing that make me a little disappointed. We don't always have free will to chouse ouer path.

When i get to wedding moment i was disappointed that i have only two choise and want to quit this game. If someone like NTR it's okey but it should be avoidable. I give ring to Elin but the i need to chouse betwen two different princess and MC is happy on he's wedding like nothink happened. After that Elin look when they were on the table....


I know that most AVN are for good renders and sex scens but with this good story it's a pitty that we are forcet to do somethink that is very different with character what we try to create.
 

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This AVN i very good, story is awsome, renders are good and models also. I have only one thing that make me a little disappointed. We don't always have free will to chouse ouer path.

When i get to wedding moment i was disappointed that i have only two choise and want to quit this game. If someone like NTR it's okey but it should be avoidable. I give ring to Elin but the i need to chouse betwen two different princess and MC is happy on he's wedding like nothink happened. After that Elin look when they were on the table....


I know that most AVN are for good renders and sex scens but with this good story it's a pitty that we are forcet to do somethink that is very different with character what we try to create.
yup, i dont like that particular "choice" myself.

this particular "story-driver" could have been done much better imo - even if our mc has to choose his bride out of those two, he should have a choice to consumate marriage or not (something similar as with his twin-sister).
this way it is just dumb (sorry dev) and kinda ruins otherwise great game.

why bothering with all those diff paths and all, if you force sex scenes and characters upon your players?
just make it KN - many fappers, particularly harem (or ntr) ones, will be as happy as average zooners in typical "deep" fuck-fest game...
 

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I agree, even if cass were the protagonist, the work would be called cinderella... There are many similarities in the evil stepmother who excludes her husband's first daughter from the family, and she was very clear about this at the table...
I wouldn't call her evil stepmother, we don't know the purpouse of the exile fully yet. Though I have a theory: She was probably scared of possible assassination attemps on MC by Western lords if he were to stay at castle or better yet; she herself or one of her elven oracles may have forseen things that forced her to take action. And after MC and Cass hurt each other she may have convinced King (or King himself) to exile MC easily, with oracles she may make him believe MC threatens his kingdom. If MC were to be killed, Cass would be the new heir and maybe thats why she antogonized her unknowingly. And maybe Cass thinks the same as us and that's why she killed all the fanatics and whatsoever. Blaming them for her isolation, loneliness and bitterness.
As of now, we don't know any 'Western' lords, how many they are or how powerful are they etc. The only thing we know about them is that they are threatened by some kind of Jacobin faction.

I am wasting my only holiday by writing theories about some VN game. :coffee::coffee::coffee:
 
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I love the writing of this novel, it has become increasingly rare for me to bother to read the text of novels nowadays, but I do for this one so congrats ! I really like the different routes and the fact that you can play the middle-ground. Personnaly I'm on the bookworm Cass/coup route with Aurora wife, I do feel that having two cunning women at my side would not play well haha. Plus the king all but admit he was the one to kill his father so I'm just following the family tradition.
 

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Well ..... that was unexpected. this will be the most shocking update of IC's worldview so far. It's very clear that LM was inspired by the Blood Wedding scene from Game of Thrones. and seems that conflict between Cass and who against her ideology will continue in the future (even gamers too!) I don't think Cass is likely woman who will give up so easily (if she survives) :ROFLMAO: I'm definitely looking forward to the ongoing 'Game of Thrones' of the IC world.
 
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I feel like authored cornered themselves with this wife choice and now have to write the wife away from screen.
I'm really surprised that the wives are so quickly sidelined by plot decision after such a strong build-up around the two marriages. What's more, neither the Northerners' bodyguards nor even the Southerners' private army (around 200 soldiers, i think, which could have a major impact on the outcome of the conflict) took part in this struggle. It is somewhat strange that the new allies of the kingdom do not become involved, especially in the case of the Sudistes who could have prevented the coup d'état, but instead make matters much more difficult.


She is most probably a virgin.
Isis is the only person about whom I have any doubts, even though I guess that could be possible. In any case, I don't find it particularly significant whether these women are or are not virgin.


I wonder if Lockhart just isn't interested in women at all, at least when we're pursuing a relationship with the twin sister. The fact that our sister informs us that he prefers to stay with the soldiers in the military camp, and that he has no trouble respecting his new wife's boundaries, even overdoing it to simulate a “consummated” fake wedding night, makes me think that he might actually be gay, and is publicly content to pretend he's the ordinary good husband. Otherwise, I think he's still pretty hard to figure out, a potential rival at first, then someone who seems gallant and presumably nice; however, we don't know if he has a hidden agenda (notably with his affiliation to some kind of rebellious nobles' political think-tank). His modified wedding vows are quite disturbing; I don't know whether he's giving some kind of political speech, or whether he's alluding to the prince and his sister at times in terms of subliminal messages (perhaps a bit of both) in order to reassure them. I think he quickly understands the real nature of the twins' relationship, certainly for quite some time and before Elis came to see him.
Only the ball scene casts a little doubt on this hypothesis, but he may well not yet know the truth, or he may be pretending to defend his scorned honor in public when Elin is given the prince's ring.
 
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