Filipis

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It's also worth noting that on the white and red paths, MC behaves more maturely. And again, he'll act like a jerk if you decide to be one. Of course, there are moments when he behaves foolishly, but then again, he's been indulging in drunkenness and debauchery for a long time, and then he was told he had to rule an entire kingdom.

If we draw real-world analogies given his age:He's not as good a ruler as, say, Alexander the Great or Octavian Augustus, but he's also nowhere near as terrible as, say, Heliogabalus or Edward II.

Again, I hope the game will further reflect his personality changes.
Is he acting more maturely or is he just more self-serving? He still greatly depends on the guidance of others, and is following instead leading.
 

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That is a valid complaint about the MC’s character. To this day, and especially the Green path, he’s a wimp that relies on Cass to do all of the planning and political scheming to get out on top; it’s not much better on other paths either. The dev justifies it by saying the MC has no experience in court whatsoever (which is true)… but then again, neither did Tyrion Lannister and he owned that shit.
Well, Tyrion grew up with the most scheming man in the Westeros, besides, his physical incapabilites excluded him from the martial training his peers had hence pushed him to books and learning etc. Also, Tyrion is not a ruler, but a schemer himself, therefore comparing him and Elis is not the most logical thing here. Though I get the idea; both are hedonists and grew up without any bits of paternal love but the thing is, Tyrion is probably two times smarter than Elis, as a matter of facts probably the smartest mfer in the books. Also, no one loves the schemers -even worse, a ruler one- whatever their intentions so its wise to leave the schemings to shady ones (like Cass!).

Tyrion and Elis would get along like a house on fire probably lol.

Hopefully, CH1 was just one long setup, and MC can start creating his own circle of trust to use for his reign as king: something like that should be a massive help in trying to legalize your harem of sisters/mother, as well.
As of now, we chose the future ruler of the West, given the choice of marriage candidate hence the maritial ally and just in last update we kinda chose between Alaina and Conrad...? Which probably will decide the future of the court.
 
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Is he acting more maturely or is he just more self-serving? He still greatly depends on the guidance of others, and is following instead leading.
Well, unlike the Green Path, where Cass makes many decisions for him, on the White Path he has a wider range of choices. We decide for ourselves how to act and who to support. We want to try to prevent bloodshed or take sides. And again, the idea that he's more of a follower than a leader right now isn't entirely accurate. The big decisions are still his.
 
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Well, unlike the Green Path, where Cass makes many decisions for him, on the White Path he has a wider range of choices. We decide for ourselves how to act and who to support. We want to try to prevent bloodshed or take sides. And again, the idea that he's more of a follower than a leader right now isn't entirely accurate. The big decisions are still his.
Wait, does Elis on the Green Path even get to choose between Lords and the Rebels or no?
 

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Even on the Red Route, the MC isn't necessarily incompetent; he simply indulges Kas. On the one hand, he's unfamiliar with court politics and lacks trustworthy ministers; on the other hand, he relies on Kas and her home lords to form his initial team. On the Red Route, the MC also has two options: dominant and submissive. This is the second set of DS choices in the game, the first being Aurora or Isis. Isis's tough stance isn't yet apparent, but there's no doubt she'll be heavily involved in government affairs in the future. If he chooses the Red Route and marries Isis, a conflict between Cass and Isis is inevitable.
MC is clearly underprepared and needs guidance from political mentors. After so many years in exile, it seems he hasn't received much training, and being so far from the palace, it's understandable that he's unfamiliar with politics.
 
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The thing is, MC does get put in the council and he is affectively ostracized by the nobles there. We do not see a lot of it, as is with most G0T shlock slapstick royal councils, where the young ruler or heir or brother of the king gets sidelined and taken out by the other nobles, to the point the queen or king need power plays to make them understand they are in the room and they have to play ball, not be nice, not get cocky, but play ball like any other day. There you see the mettle of the MC or the others. MC is not a novice any more, he is put in the saet of power and in the rooms of power and has to build stats with the others around those avenues of control and decision making.
After so many years in exile, it seems he hasn't received much training, and being so far from the palace, it's understandable that he's unfamiliar with politics.
MC has a very savvy mom and sister who are political figures already, he should rely on their input, as would any commander in a military who relies on his underlings to relay information to and from the front lines. MC cannot be everywhere, least of all if he just goes into a narrow tunnel to catch some insurrectionists. For a medieval type G0T modern day shlock fantasy, this game does deliver on the indeptitude of young leaders who have to survive constant struggle. This was the punchline for most young monarchs in Hous of the Dragon and in G0T - they could never reach the heights of Ned, Cersei or Deneris, but they tried and most if not all eneded up just a copy cat of robert: complacent and alone with his so called closest allies off having their own struggle to survive in power, rather than coalescing the familiar forces for a better strategy and better survival.
 

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Wait, does Elis on the Green Path even get to choose between Lords and the Rebels or no?
Nah, there is a forced alternative path involving her relatives as the head of West. You don't get to choose between Lords and Rebels nor you need to though.
 
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Even on the Red Route, the MC isn't necessarily incompetent; he simply indulges Kas. On the one hand, he's unfamiliar with court politics and lacks trustworthy ministers; on the other hand, he relies on Kas and her home lords to form his initial team. On the Red Route, the MC also has two options: dominant and submissive. This is the second set of DS choices in the game, the first being Aurora or Isis. Isis's tough stance isn't yet apparent, but there's no doubt she'll be heavily involved in government affairs in the future. If he chooses the Red Route and marries Isis, a conflict between Cass and Isis is inevitable.
MC is clearly underprepared and needs guidance from political mentors. After so many years in exile, it seems he hasn't received much training, and being so far from the palace, it's understandable that he's unfamiliar with politics.
Wait red route? I think the requirements of the red route is killing Cass.

But yeah I get what you mean with Green Route. I feel like as long as Cass's advice is strong in the route, I think Isis will not make a move. If cass's advice puts MC against Isis or their family, yeah we might see some background conflict brewing.
 
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The MC is written as a bumbling idiot only if you side with Cass. On the other routes, White and Red, he is shown to be far more competant, decisive and ruthless. What did you guys expect choosing to participate in a retard coup aganist an almost dead father with one foot in the grave already. Choose a retard option get treated like an imbecile. Looks fair to me.
 

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The MC is written as a bumbling idiot only if you side with Cass. On the other routes, White and Red, he is shown to be far more competant, decisive and ruthless. What did you guys expect choosing to participate in a retard coup aganist an almost dead father with one foot in the grave already. Choose a retard option get treated like an imbecile. Looks fair to me.
Well, coup was backed up by Alaina however indirectly it was, she fueled Cass' already built-up anger towards the King. I admit it kinda happened because the emotional reasons for both Elis and Cass but who could have give the guarentee of king's death in the near future? So no can say it was solely happened because the emotional reasons. Also, if it wasn't for the coup, Elis could have missed out the opportunity of capturing the West, like they say: every cloud has a silver lining.

By the way, when Cass learns Alaina manipulated her towards the king for a long time and it was actually her who killed her mother she will be pissed af.
 
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The MC is written as a bumbling idiot only if you side with Cass. On the other routes, White and Red, he is shown to be far more competant, decisive and ruthless. What did you guys expect choosing to participate in a retard coup aganist an almost dead father with one foot in the grave already. Choose a retard option get treated like an imbecile. Looks fair to me.
I disagree that the coup was dumb. If they didn't do a coup they might have to wait years for Elis to become king while the old king does nothing and continously let the Empire fall apart. In the Red path and Green path the ultimate goal is to restore the empire and do you think the old king would have done that or sent any real support to deal with what was happening in the west or to vassalize them? I also don't really think the Green path and Red paths are really that different.
 
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I disagree that the coup was dumb. If they didn't do a coup they might have to wait years for Elis to become king while the old king does nothing and continously let the Empire fall apart. In the Red path and Green path the ultimate goal is to restore the empire and do you think the old king would have done that or sent any real support to deal with what was happening in the west or to vassalize them? I also don't really think the Green path and Red paths are really that different.
No, in green path you can't choose side on your own. So that means you can't choose your future allies. you're following cass, like a pupet would do. And cass choose ''her'' allies for you. In red path you are the decision maker and free from external influence.
 

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No, in green path you can't choose side on your own. So that means you can't choose your future allies. you're following cass, like a pupet would do. And cass choose ''her'' allies for you. In red path you are the decision maker and free from external influence.
The red path is still getting influenced that's how you get on the red path. The difference is that since Cass isn't around getting her families support isn't an opition
 
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And the White path is the one with the mom? What if you follow the mom but get no heir points, what path is that?
Mom has nothing to do with any of the paths like that. You can get her content on every path. The thing with the white path/ green path red path thing is solely about how you choose to have the mc respond to Cass's attempt to start a coup. Green path is ally with Cass, Red path is ally with Cass then betray her and white path is don't side with her at all. The rest of the family's content is the same on every route regardless of whether which of these you do. And whether or not the King declares the mc the heir or not really doesn't matter
 
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