Im not saying you're wrong, but I dont know of a scenario to be red path and Cass lives.
I don't see it as a problem at all. I just saw it as making her feel like a more "real" person. As she reacted like a lot of normal human beings would when being insulted and taunted randomly by a "rival". I don't need her to "act like a queen" already or be some master at acting catty. She and Elis can learn to do that together. And yes, even though IMO another reason for her poking Aurora was for fun. The main goal was obviously for Isis to try and pull some mind-game bullshit to get one over on Aurora and appear more "dominant". But it just had the opposite effect for me. As the whole point of the dates and spending time with them both in my mind. Was to figure out which one would make a better wife for Elis first, and then Queen second.
Aurora showed more for me in that regard, as she was rather sweet, kind, caring and submissive. Whereas all Isis showed me outside of being hot, was that she was rather manipulative, catty and a potential giant pain in the arse. I've got no time for stupid mind-game competition bullshit... I just wanted someone nice and sweet for Elis.
So therefore. Aurora >>> Isis.
All day, every day.
Even I have standards thank you...
Meh. I find submissive to be a boring trait in a woman and prefer women more like Cass. Elin is a much better version of Aurora which is kind of what we were talking about. I'd rather replace Aurora with Elin if I got the chance which would be easy to do with Aurora being a pushover
It's simple really imo, your point was that Aurora getting upset and storming out. Was somehow "unbeffiting of a queen" and that somehow was a bonus point for Isis.
Well, first of all. Why does she need to be exactly? is it a requirement for you that the queen HAS to be really politically savvy or what? I don't really care how "savvy" she is tbh. I just want someone, who I think at the end of the day. Will give the greatest peace of mind for my boi Elis. And I think she would end up being a rather popular queen anyway with how honourable, beautiful and kind she is. Fuck being "savvy" at court.
That may well be the case. But I don't think that means Elis should have a chance to have to deal with that type of shit from his own wife??
I notice how like when we previously discussed Auroras character, AGAIN you only choose to focus on that one submissive trait she has...And ignore the other ones.
Which are the primary reasons I am going to pick her 9 times out of 10. Her being submissive is just the giant bow on top. Give me the honourable, sweet, kind and caring wife. Over whatever Isis brings anyday. 
Do you really not understand how being easily provoked or easily manipulated isn't a good trait for a person in any position of authority. But its more that I don't see how being able to keep your cool and think before you act means that whoever your talking about isn't a real person. Being able to keep your cool like that is a trait a lot of people have and is trait that can be learned normally because it's a trait that people have to learn. Think about a teacher who works with children. How unprofessional would it be if a teacher was able to be manipulated and easily teased by their students? Your to focused on what you prefer in a woman which isn't what we were talking about. I don't want to restart that argument.
Why wouldn't a queen need to be skilled in politics when she's constantly going to dealing with people at the court. Even in situations where Elis would do everything Aurora would still have some authority as consort as well as occasionally filling in Elis isn't available for any reason. People in the court are also going to try to approach her to get her to get Elis to do stuff. Even when women were completely powerless they still were expected to keep up a certain image. Again I don't really care that you like Aurora better the point wasn't even about Isis. It was about Aurora being easily manipulated and thus not that skilled as a queen
Dude again, were not talking about which of the two you prefer. I really don't want to restart that argument. I only brought that the whole point in politics is mind games. Aurora not being skilled at that is not a good thing and that at least when it comes to Elis, Isis is very forward about want she wants from him, want she wants him to do and what kind games other people are doing because playing mins games with Elis good for her personal interest. While trying to humiliate and manipulate a potential rival is good for her personal interest
Because that's one of the main traits I dislike in love interest and women and is the main thing that makes me rule them out. I don't really care about love interest being kind and sweet. That's why I called her boring before because that just describes so many different love interest and why I compared her to Elin who is also kind and sweet but has more stuff going for her. Being kind and sweet isn't a negative it's just not the main thing I'm going to look for. It's kind of basic love interests need something else besides that to make me interested. I frankly care less about being kind and more about being supportive. Those things overlap but they're not mutually exclusive. They're both supportive but only one is supportive when it comes to politics which again is important for being a queen. Aurora to me is simply just a more boring version of Elin or Lia. I have no problems with either of those two because they both have traits that set them aside from that. Isis had a lot in common with Cass which is why it's weird you dislike Isis but like Cass. The main difference is mostly that Isis is better and politicking but less skilled at fighting. But that whole thing about teasing and mind games stuff that you ruled out is stuff that Cass has been doing from the start, except that Cass is less upfront to Elis about things early on
The benefit is you get more Cass.
Not really. Mostly how you want to play Elis. Keeping peace and stability, willing to murder, agreeing with Cass. Speculating, it later may expands on other colors like violet if he alliances with the Southerns or blue if he works with the Northerners. May another benefit in choosing one spouse over another.
For Elis? It is pretty pointless since he's going to get on the throne regardless. The coup is realistically only for Cass and the other hidden forces out there (Alaina) to attempt to gain power. The green path is foolish to go down though. Not for Cass and her faction, mind you. But for Elis, it's extremely shortsighted to topple a faction you barely know for one that you definitely don't know.
That's true eventually, but who knows how long it's going to take? It could be year or decades before Elis ever ascended to the throne and what if you already think Regis is a bad ruler? Are you just going to let him continue to make paranoid bad decisions that weaken royal authority for years while passing on opportunities that could strengthen the throne? Coups aren't just about installing a new ruler it's about replacing who was there before. If you're perfectly content with Regis then there is no reason for a coup. If you're not content with him it makes more sense to get rid of him sooner rather than later. Besides Elin I think it was pointed out that Elis isn't actually guaranteed the throne and is one of the reasons for Regis to push for a marriage. If Elis is unsuitable Regis could have it arranged so that the throne passes directly to his grandson rather than going through Elis. Of course if Regis already named Elis the heir then that point doesn't matter. But if he's not the heir and Regis already looks at Elis unfavorably then there is actually a pretty good reason to do the coup. It's also based around how much you trust Cass.
As I said before here. It was one scene dude. It's really quite a reach imo to just write her off as being "easily provoked" and "easily manipulated" after she got pissed off ONE time by someone who is rather masterful at it..."And second, it's funny your entire basis for that she would be "easily provoked" and a "pushover" that could be easily replaced on the throne. Being one scene, where someone who's spent pretty much her entire life being trained in "court etiquette" and learning how to scheme and manipulate people. Managed to rile Aurora up one time...
Again, you're basing all this information that she'd be a horrible queen, or at the very least worse at it than Isis. because Isis managed to piss her off one time. That's it. Like, bruh. What do you think she's going to do if she has to hold court and listen to the people or something?? Lose her shit at some guy asking for a new chicken because his died??
Same as above, I just really don't think she's going to be AS BAD as you seem to think she will. I'm really not seeing where all this "Aurora is terrible at politics" comes from outside of this one scene with Isis. I think she would make a great queen. One that as I said before, would be able to sway the people and become rather beloved, and be able to manage her duties rather well.
I can think of a few reasons. The main one being that on my first blind playthrough back during like 0.5. Isis raised so many red flags in my mind. That plus the fact that she was mutually exclusive with Aurora. I ended up just writing her off for many runs as I couldn't see why I would ever pick her. If I could put Elis on her path as well as Aurora, I probably would have. And then might have ended up liking her more.
I think she's an absolute sweetheart at heart. It's just that she's had to bury and hide it to protect herself. So "Fixing her" on the white path is honestly one of the top two? Things that I'm looking forward to seeing play out the most honestly.
Alaina serves the elves' ambitions more, but I don't blame her. The conditions for elves are terrible, and Elis is a half-elf. I also want to improve the elves' conditions, but first they must pledge their loyalty.
Yes.
with the whole "JUST REMEMBER WHAT I KNOW" blackmail vibes to me...Well nah, I'm putting her ass on a cross.I never said anything about Aurora being a horrible queen. That was the other guy. I said she wouldn't be as good as one as Isis because she's very clearly less skilled at court intrigues and power plays. She could learn but I also don't think she has any real interest in doing so. And I'm not basing it off one example I'm basing it off several. My original point in that one is that you somehow completely missed that the example was a power play and thought it was just Isis messing with Aurora for fun. Isis goal was to show that Aurora is overly emotional, easily manipulated and not as skilled with dealing mins games and power plays which is something everyone with a position of authority is going to have to deal with. I think your overlooking a lot of the political aspects because you prefer Aurora as a love interest while also not thinking enough about both their motivations. Aurora is there because she's honor bound. She doesn't really care that much about politics she cares more about supporting her father. The position of Isis family in the south was a lot less stable and everyone in the south is bidding their time and waiting for the right moment. Isis is more adapted to politics and her being there is more a personal investment for her. She's very clear that she wants to be Empress. She wants Elis to refound the empire. Most of her interactions prior to the marriage are not mind games, but Isis trying to prove to Elis that she's an asset that he can use to consolidate power. As I said before she's actually fairly upfront with Elis. E
I think this is another thing your missing. About being beloved. Isis present herself very different to commoners and subject she says so herself and that her family only came to power because they leveraged the commoners anger against the old regime. I don't think Aurora would be a horrible queen but I don't really think she'd be a good one either. Her only benefit other than an alliance with the north it's just as keeping up the image of being a wife and a mother. But politics wise she's over her head.
They're all shaped by their upbringing. Isis is the way she is because the south is a vipers nest and Aurora is the way she is because she wasn't raised for to rule in any capacity. Just to be a good childrearer and in a more stable environment. But I think you're overestimating how much Cass was shaped by her upbringing. Even as a kid she still wanted to be queen. I don't think she's ever a sweetheart. She's not going to turn into another Aurora if she had a different upbringing. Infact I think Aurora might have actually ended up being more passive if she had Cass's upbringing.
No infact I wasn't thinking about commoners at all here. It's about other nobles and people at the court who could very much and very easily due what Isis did in that scene.
That's part of the problem. She's the only child but she's a girl and she had older brother. She's from a society where women don't really hold political power and her father having been king for so long means that after a certain number of years the actual vote becomes a formality because most people voting are voting for more of what they're used to with no real reason to opt for a new ruler. Her fathers support has been built up for years before she was born so unlike Isis she's less exposed to genuine rivals competiting for authority. And since women don't rule in the north she was only taught about being a mother and sitting on the side lines. She has always known that all that really awaits for her is being married off for the sake of an alliance. Isis is a kingmaker, Aurora just does whatever she believes she's expected to do.
However, his greatest sin is that he has yet to join the harem.
Thats why mc need to impregnate her fast, we can fix her
