DrakoGhoul

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Man isis being a baddie is unfair fam, then we have her counterpart and the whole world telling us she sending us straight to hell, but my playthrough still going through with her its over bro
We're going to be fine. Our side flings out there that got pregnant though? Yeah, they're cooked if Isis catches any of them by themselves. Isis already saw through Elin crazy ass at the dinner table. Imagine all of the other women that coincidentally got pregnant as soon as Elis came across them.

And that's not even the potentially insane part. We might have to deal with a future daddy's girl in Azalia too. This mom/daughter pair ain't going to let Elis fuck other women again after all of these bastards are born. When Isis die of old age. Azalia going to pick up the torch and manage his activities next.
 

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We're going to be fine. Our side flings out there that got pregnant though? Yeah, they're cooked if Isis catches any of them by themselves. Isis already saw through Elin crazy ass at the dinner table. Imagine all of the other women that coincidentally got pregnant as soon as Elis came across them.

And that's not even the potentially insane part. We might have to deal with a future daddy's girl in Azalia too. This mom/daughter pair ain't going to let Elis fuck other women again after all of these bastards are born. When Isis die of old age. Azalia going to pick up the torch and manage his activities next.
I doubt we're actually going to jump far enough for Azalia to matter tbh
 

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I doubt we're actually going to jump far enough for Azalia to matter tbh
Maybe not in the next update, but I fully expect the latter parts of the game to take place in the same time when the visions we had during the previous parts happen, with our kids and beard grown.
 
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Zlata or azalia, a real hard choice to chhose only one, why can't we have both?:cry:
Those two women better to look at the queen who give birth to sisters in stead of siblings, no other males other than elis needed in this family, who know the son will do what kind of awful things to their sister, mother, aunt and grandmother?:mad:
 

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Zlata or azalia, a real hard choice to chhose only one, why can't we have both?:cry:
Those two women better to look at the queen who give birth to sisters in stead of siblings, no other males other than elis needed in this family, who know the son will do what kind of awful things to their sister, mother, aunt and grandmother?:mad:
dont be greedy we still got Selina and the Twin from Queen :KEK: the only thing that left is developer. is he gonna give scene or they just the daughter nothing more.
 

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Cass's lust for power stems from her insecurity, while Isida's lust for power comes from her very nature. Aurora would be a more suitable wife, as Elis already has enough trusted aides, such as his family. While Cass also wants to manipulate Elis, she would rather kill herself than Elis if given the choice; but Isida, if she secures her position, would not hesitate to kill Elis.
 
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Cass's lust for power stems from her insecurity, while Isida's lust for power comes from her very nature. Aurora would be a more suitable wife, as Elis already has enough trusted aides, such as his family. While Cass also wants to manipulate Elis, she would rather kill herself than Elis if given the choice; but Isida, if she secures her position, would not hesitate to kill Elis.
Why would she even bother to kill Elis
 

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Cass's lust for power stems from her insecurity, while Isida's lust for power comes from her very nature. Aurora would be a more suitable wife, as Elis already has enough trusted aides, such as his family. While Cass also wants to manipulate Elis, she would rather kill herself than Elis if given the choice; but Isida, if she secures her position, would not hesitate to kill Elis.
Generally, maybe, but the game goes out of its way to never harm MC in any significant way.
Unless the game starts giving several early game overs, there most likely isn't a "wrong" decision that leads him to an early death. The game is very much set up for a semi harem in which MC comes out on top no matter what. Sure, the girls quarrel, but in the end, they bow to MC.
 

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What made me dislike Alaina more than anything else is how when she was outed she immediately stops caring about whether her plot succeeds and tries to drag her closest ally down with her

If I had to pick a fate for Alaina I'd let Cass out of the dungeon, give her the details of Alaina's murdering her mother and manipulating her for her whole life then tell Cass to do as she wishes to her

I don't understand you, people.
Tell Cass this? Tell Cass that her real father is actually long dead? Tell her that the current government is illegitimate and the result of elven manipulation?
If this information is revealed, then Cass will be the greatest threat to the protagonist.
Does it ever occur to you that Cass will go mad with rage, because she thought it was HER father who didn't love her, when in fact it was her uncle who didn't love her.
Does it bother you that the biggest beneficiaries of Alaina's lies are the protagonist and his mother?
Does it bother you that Cass is a selfish, ambitious, imperialistic, cruel person who will be extremely motivated to kill the protagonist's family? Whom she already dislikes?
Or do you think she'll say, "Oh, the Protagonist is the son of the man who took the place of my real father, who oppressed me my whole life. And the Protagonist himself occupies the throne unlawfully. Of course, I will obey him!"
Does it bother you that you'll give Cass the information that she's the legitimate heir to the rightful king?
Does it bother you that you'll put her in a position where she might decide she can be Empress herself by choosing a spineless consort husband?
And her reign will begin with the execution of the Protagonist, his sisters, and his mother. And she won't hold back, because the difference between this scenario and the route where the Protagonist submits to Cass after Olivia blackmails her in prison is that she doesn't need the Protagonist as a flag of legitimacy, because she herself is legitimate.

Bravo! Logic at its finest!

And what's all this for? To punish the elf? The one who has done more for your life and power than anyone else?
Yes, she did all this for the elven interests.
But, firstly, the protagonist is half-elf himself.
Secondly, her motivation doesn't negate all the benefits the protagonist received from her.

So my question is, is the anti-elven lobby in these comments even rational? Is it capable of logical thinking? Is it pursuing the protagonist's interests?
 

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I don't understand you, people.
Tell Cass this? Tell Cass that her real father is actually long dead? Tell her that the current government is illegitimate and the result of elven manipulation?
If this information is revealed, then Cass will be the greatest threat to the protagonist.
Does it ever occur to you that Cass will go mad with rage, because she thought it was HER father who didn't love her, when in fact it was her uncle who didn't love her.
Does it bother you that the biggest beneficiaries of Alaina's lies are the protagonist and his mother?
Does it bother you that Cass is a selfish, ambitious, imperialistic, cruel person who will be extremely motivated to kill the protagonist's family? Whom she already dislikes?
Or do you think she'll say, "Oh, the Protagonist is the son of the man who took the place of my real father, who oppressed me my whole life. And the Protagonist himself occupies the throne unlawfully. Of course, I will obey him!"
Does it bother you that you'll give Cass the information that she's the legitimate heir to the rightful king?
Does it bother you that you'll put her in a position where she might decide she can be Empress herself by choosing a spineless consort husband?
And her reign will begin with the execution of the Protagonist, his sisters, and his mother. And she won't hold back, because the difference between this scenario and the route where the Protagonist submits to Cass after Olivia blackmails her in prison is that she doesn't need the Protagonist as a flag of legitimacy, because she herself is legitimate.

Bravo! Logic at its finest!

And what's all this for? To punish the elf? The one who has done more for your life and power than anyone else?
Yes, she did all this for the elven interests.
But, firstly, the protagonist is half-elf himself.
Secondly, her motivation doesn't negate all the benefits the protagonist received from her.

So my question is, is the anti-elven lobby in these comments even rational? Is it capable of logical thinking? Is it pursuing the protagonist's interests?
As the head of anti-elven lobby, we will...
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As the head of anti-elven lobby, we will...
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EX-FUCKING-SCUSE ME. :mad::mad::mad:

I have done more than anybody in this thread, for pushing the 'Anti-Elven' agenda thank you. I even had a shoutout on an absolutely 10/10 art piece by PaPaPantagruel. reference my known hatred of elves, as seen here.

I got me here some fan-art, of Val this time. Frankly, I mainly wanted to draw some nature, so why not add an elf in the center. Some of her proportions are a bit wonky I'll admit, but what the hell, I'm too lazy to re-do the drawing. This one goes out to GibboBtw, the biggest elf-hater on the interwebs. :ROFLMAO:
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You aren't the top dog when it comes to hating Elves here mister...You can be #2 though. :love:

Generally, maybe, but the game goes out of its way to never harm MC in any significant way.
Unless the game starts giving several early game overs, there most likely isn't a "wrong" decision that leads him to an early death. The game is very much set up for a semi harem in which MC comes out on top no matter what. Sure, the girls quarrel, but in the end, they bow to MC.
Yeah, but this game also isn't exactly showing its self to be a fully 'traditional' AVN really is it? Just look how many named characters you can already kill/have be killed. Cass, Alaina, Akker, Ludwig and Conrad. And then some other more minor characters in there as well. I think the people who fully trust Isis, only do so because they have the "meta read" on that the game is an AVN. And you can't really ever typically 'lose' an AVN. So it'll be fine.

But if you don't have that view of that you can't 'lose', or just treat this one as actually being a tv show, a normal game, or something like that. And then there ain't no way you're telling me you wouldn't be suspicious of Isis even remotely, and wouldn't be looking over your shoulder for most if your life if you were Elis.

She 100% would be the kind of woman to try and pull exactly what Cersei did to Robert, if she thought it would benefit her longterm.
 
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Generally, maybe, but the game goes out of its way to never harm MC in any significant way.
Unless the game starts giving several early game overs, there most likely isn't a "wrong" decision that leads him to an early death. The game is very much set up for a semi harem in which MC comes out on top no matter what. Sure, the girls quarrel, but in the end, they bow to MC.
There's a difference between murder intent and successful murder. The plot is unlikely to kill Elis, but there are certainly many people who want to kill him; given the right conditions, such a scenario could occur. Cass is even less likely than Elin to kill Elis for any purpose.
 
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I don't understand you, people.
Tell Cass this? Tell Cass that her real father is actually long dead? Tell her that the current government is illegitimate and the result of elven manipulation?
If this information is revealed, then Cass will be the greatest threat to the protagonist.
Does it ever occur to you that Cass will go mad with rage, because she thought it was HER father who didn't love her, when in fact it was her uncle who didn't love her.
Does it bother you that the biggest beneficiaries of Alaina's lies are the protagonist and his mother?
Does it bother you that Cass is a selfish, ambitious, imperialistic, cruel person who will be extremely motivated to kill the protagonist's family? Whom she already dislikes?
Or do you think she'll say, "Oh, the Protagonist is the son of the man who took the place of my real father, who oppressed me my whole life. And the Protagonist himself occupies the throne unlawfully. Of course, I will obey him!"
Does it bother you that you'll give Cass the information that she's the legitimate heir to the rightful king?
Does it bother you that you'll put her in a position where she might decide she can be Empress herself by choosing a spineless consort husband?
And her reign will begin with the execution of the Protagonist, his sisters, and his mother. And she won't hold back, because the difference between this scenario and the route where the Protagonist submits to Cass after Olivia blackmails her in prison is that she doesn't need the Protagonist as a flag of legitimacy, because she herself is legitimate.

Bravo! Logic at its finest!

And what's all this for? To punish the elf? The one who has done more for your life and power than anyone else?
Yes, she did all this for the elven interests.
But, firstly, the protagonist is half-elf himself.
Secondly, her motivation doesn't negate all the benefits the protagonist received from her.

So my question is, is the anti-elven lobby in these comments even rational? Is it capable of logical thinking? Is it pursuing the protagonist's interests?
I agree, telling Cass all that would be dangerous, as of now. But Alaina is dangerous herself, because her loyalty does not rest within our kingdom. Also, from a "human supremacy run" point of view, she may very well become the biggest threat, while Cass may eventually fall for MC, neutralizing her ambitions and need for revenge.
 
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EX-FUCKING-SCUSE ME. :mad::mad::mad:

I have done more than anybody in this thread, for pushing the 'Anti-Elven' agenda thank you. I even had a shoutout on an absolutely 10/10 art piece by PaPaPantagruel. reference my known hatred of elves, as seen here.
The throne belongs to the one who first occupies it.
...Therefore, as the head of the pro-elf lobby and a fan of Alaina, I declare that I'm seeing you and your statements here for the first time.
And I see n00bPanda as the head of the anti-elf lobby.
 

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But Alaina is dangerous herself, because her loyalty does not rest within our kingdom.
Even better, her loyalty lies specifically with the protagonist. Simply because he is her main project.
Given her actions, she was more interested in the protagonist's accession to the throne than anyone else. Literally more than anyone else.
She is the protagonist's greatest pillar of power.

Also, from a "human supremacy run" point of view, she may very well become the biggest threat
There is no human superiority, just as there is no elven superiority. Because the protagonist is half-human, half-elf.
As a result, neither side will ever fully accept him as one of their own.
The most logical and rational political path is to balance the interests of humans and elves. This way, both sides can be controlled, telling the elves, "I protect you from humans, so you must obey me," and telling the humans, "I protect you from elves, so you must obey me."

while Cass may eventually fall for MC, neutralizing her ambitions and need for revenge
This is a naive and biased viewpoint (I don't judge).
Cass literally betrayed the man she considered a father.

If you don't like Cass, you'll look for the bad in her while ignoring the good.
And on the other hand, it's the same thing. If you don't like Alaina, you'll look for the bad in her while ignoring the good...but objectively, no one has done as much for the protagonist as Alaina, no one at all.
 

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Even better, her loyalty lies specifically with the protagonist. Simply because he is her main project.
Given her actions, she was more interested in the protagonist's accession to the throne than anyone else. Literally more than anyone else.
She is the protagonist's greatest pillar of power.
She's not loyal to the protagonist. She's loyal to the 'Elven Cause' they are not necessarily the same thing. It's just that he is the current project of that cause. And what if it starts failing? Say, by Elis doing things that are not EXACTLY in Elven interests. Do you think she would just stay loyal to it then or start finding something new?

There is no human superiority, just as there is no elven superiority. Because the protagonist is half-human, half-elf.
As a result, neither side will ever fully accept him as one of their own.
The most logical and rational political path is to balance the interests of humans and elves. This way, both sides can be controlled, telling the elves, "I protect you from humans, so you must obey me," and telling the humans, "I protect you from elves, so you must obey me."
Wait a minute...

So your solution for making peace and living with both Humans and Elves in peace, is to keep them in fear of each other and say that you're the only one stopping the other from doing something awful?...Sorry, but that doesn't sound like such a solid plan I must say. :ROFLMAO:

Also, HUMAN SUPREMACY FTW! :mad:

This is a naive and biased viewpoint (I don't judge).
Cass literally betrayed the man she considered a father.
How is it naive tho? It's quite clearly the path that's being set up on the "fix her" path on a white run. Elis is trying to heal her and let her know that she's his sister, he loves her and he won't kill her. You can see she even starts softening up when she hears it. And it's also not the most unfeasible option that she genuinely loves him already on the Green path, or at the very least will come to. So it's really not that naive to believe it's possible, when we have visual evidence of it.

As for her betraying her father. Idk how you can come to the conclusion that it's undeserved or unexpected for her to do. When it's quite clear that first of all, he was a terrible father to her, and pretty much despised her. Second, she was also led to believe on top of that, that he killed her mother. By that damn 'Puppetmaster Alaina' herself. I think most people including myself, would want to kill their fathers if they thought that he murdered their mothers. You don't mess with someones mother man...:confused:

If you don't like Cass, you'll look for the bad in her while ignoring the good.
And on the other hand, it's the same thing. If you don't like Alaina, you'll look for the bad in her while ignoring the good...but objectively, no one has done as much for the protagonist as Alaina, no one at all.
Very true. But I hate elves, and I want to see how far the Dev is willing to let me go with this, and if he's going to let me kill them all or not. So I'm going to feed my paranoia for now, to allow me to justify doing that. :D:love:
 
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