DrakoGhoul

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Kind of funny how the boosty previews are usually more interesting than the other one. At least when showing the story.

Like, who's this locked up? From what we can tell of the arms, it looks like a dude. The only male person I can kind of think of is Cassius or however his name is spelled. If we assume Elis is still in the West when this preview takes place. Since the rebels did lose, if you sided with the nobles. So him being put up in a dungeon until Elis came back to the west would make a lot of sense.

However, on the other hand. It could be Cass on the broken route, if we ignore the arms looking more masculine. But that seems a bit unlikely. If Elis is indeed in the West still.

Edit: Oh wait, that is Cass when you look at it with brightness super high. Using my phone earlier screwed over. So Cass Broken route didn't get abandoned, huh? Well, since I have to do so many playthroughs anyway. I'll add it back to the list.
 
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She's not loyal to the protagonist. She's loyal to the 'Elven Cause' they are not necessarily the same thing. It's just that he is the current project of that cause. And what if it starts failing? Say, by Elis doing things that are not EXACTLY in Elven interests. Do you think she would just stay loyal to it then or start finding something new?
I completely agree with this paragraph.
But you're forgetting one thing: what you said here about Alaina can be applied to any other vassal. That's how power works: if you prioritize the interests of one vassal over another, then the likelihood that the offended party will later betray you increases.

Wait a minute...

So your solution for making peace and living with both Humans and Elves in peace, is to keep them in fear of each other and say that you're the only one stopping the other from doing something awful?...Sorry, but that doesn't sound like such a solid plan I must say. :ROFLMAO:

Also, HUMAN SUPREMACY FTW! :mad:
Dude...
That's exactly how the nuclear deterrence doctrine works. It's like they literally already had a war, where BOTH sides deemed further losses unwarranted.
And let me remind you, there haven't been any open, large-scale military clashes between humans and elves for a long time.
And over time, they'll just come to terms with each other.

What kind of human supremacy do you have when you're half-elf?
You can't spread hatred towards elves when you're an elf. You're undermining your own authority.
Who do you see yourself as? Inquisitor of a human empire of 40,000? No, you're Uncle Ruckus.

How is it naive tho? It's quite clearly the path that's being set up on the "fix her" path on a white run. Elis is trying to heal her and let her know that she's his sister, he loves her and he won't kill her. You can see she even starts softening up when she hears it. And it's also not the most unfeasible option that she genuinely loves him already on the Green path, or at the very least will come to. So it's really not that naive to believe it's possible, when we have visual evidence of it.

As for her betraying her father. Idk how you can come to the conclusion that it's undeserved or unexpected for her to do. :confused:
ahahahaha
These are two paragraphs of bias and naivety.
You're literally writing that he will fix it with the power of "love"
You use love as an argument and you still claim that this is not naive)

You can see she even starts softening up when she hears it
This is not an argument. It is your value judgment, based on bias, naivety, and sympathy.
Too much vanilla from a man who wants to get rid of an entire race.

As for her betraying her father. Idk how you can come to the conclusion that it's undeserved or unexpected for her to do.
Betrayal is betrayal.
It doesn't matter how you justify it. Especially since she betrayed her family (or so she thought).
And here you're talking about trusting traitors.

By that damn 'Puppetmaster Alaina' herself. I think most people including myself, would want to kill their fathers if they thought that he murdered their mothers. You don't mess with someones mother man...
Excuse me, HOLY GUARDIAN MOTHER Alaina.
A beautiful elf, to whom the protagonist owes everything, his power, and even his birth.
And I ask you to note that this is not bias, not a subjective view. It's a fact.
The fact is that no one has brought as much benefit to the protagonist as Alaina.

And Cass is simply a traitor. Because she betrayed not just over family matters, but also out of imperialistic ambitions. She betrayed her family.
Besides, Cass is a fool, because Alaina is so cleverly tricking her. She conned her like a sucker.

Very true. But I hate elves, and I want to see how far the Dev is willing to let me go with this, and if he's going to let me kill them all or not. So I'm going to feed my paranoia for now, to allow me to justify doing that. :D:love:
Apparently the game will have at least three endings.
Destroy the elves. Destroy the humans. Neutrality.
And why feed your paranoia? Just do what you like. Kill whoever you like.
 

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I completely agree with this paragraph.
But you're forgetting one thing: what you said here about Alaina can be applied to any other vassal. That's how power works: if you prioritize the interests of one vassal over another, then the likelihood that the offended party will later betray you increases.
I think the average Lord/Vassal will be A LOT easier to keep happy though than Alaina, as their interests are pretty tied with the kingdom/empire, while Alaina's is directly not. And with what I want to do to the Elves anyway...She's got to go. Plain and Simple.

Dude...
That's exactly how the nuclear deterrence doctrine works. It's like they literally already had a war, where BOTH sides deemed further losses unwarranted.
And let me remind you, there haven't been any open, large-scale military clashes between humans and elves for a long time.
And over time, they'll just come to terms with each other.
I don't think relying on "nuclear deterrence" is a very effective means for making friends tbh...:ROFLMAO:

I imagine LM is going to give us something a bit more positive for the players that want to go down the middle, like maybe having Elis marry an Elf like his father did. Or some kind of bond/trade in some other way. Not just trying to enforce this thing of "BE AFRAID OF THE OTHER SIDE, ONLY I CAN STOP IT."

Doesn't seem the best idea IMO.

What kind of human supremacy do you have when you're half-elf?
You can't spread hatred towards elves when you're an elf. You're undermining your own authority.
Who do you see yourself as? Inquisitor of a human empire of 40,000? No, you're Uncle Ruckus.
Dude...I am not Elis...I am not a Half-Elf. I am a human called 'Gibbo'. :ROFLMAO:

And I want to see HUMAN SUPREMACY, and dead Elves. So I'm gonna use Elis to accomplish that, if I can. :love:

ahahahaha
These are two paragraphs of bias and naivety.
You're literally writing that he will fix it with the power of "love"
You use love as an argument and you still claim that this is not naive)

This is not an argument. It is your value judgment, based on bias, naivety, and sympathy.
Too much vanilla from a man who wants to get rid of an entire race.
Look at this face, and try to tell me she's some irredeemable monster, with no hope for redemption...:cry:

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She's my little (in progress) ANGEL. :love::love::love:

Betrayal is betrayal.
It doesn't matter how you justify it. Especially since she betrayed her family (or so she thought).
And here you're talking about trusting traitors.
You're doing that thing you're accusing me and the other guy of doing here my guy. And showing your own Bias. If you can't at least try to understand how and why Cass is the way she is, and why she did what she did. Then you're just being a hypocrite. :ROFLMAO:

I at least have acknowledged I am biased against Alaina. You should admit the same for Cass my dude. (y)

Excuse me, HOLY GUARDIAN MOTHER Alaina.
A beautiful elf, to whom the protagonist owes everything, his power, and even his birth.
And I ask you to note that this is not bias, not a subjective view. It's a fact.
The fact is that no one has brought as much benefit to the protagonist as Alaina.
Ewww, Alaina fanboyism...When Humanity wins the race war that's coming, you're going on a cross young man/woman/whatever the fuck you are...:mad:

And Cass is simply a traitor. Because she betrayed not just over family matters, but also out of imperialistic ambitions. She betrayed her family.
Besides, Cass is a fool, because Alaina is so cleverly tricking her. She conned her like a sucker.
I repeat my above statements.

Apparently the game will have at least three endings.
Destroy the elves. Destroy the humans. Neutrality.
Well in that case, it's only endings 1 and 3 for me...:ROFLMAO:

And why feed your paranoia? Just do what you like. Kill whoever you like.
Because, where is the fun in playing as a genocidal maniac, if you don't at least attempt to justify it in your mind. Also because I usually don't play as villains in games, because I feel bad. So I now need to amp myself up for it.
 

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Yeah, for now... but what happens when (if LM gives us the choice) her main project stops dancing to her tune?
This and you never know what she deems necessary, like what sacrifices need to be made etc, she isn't really trustworthy at all (well, i'm on the elven supremacist side so there's that)...but then, there are very few characters i would call trustworthy.
I agree, but let those who whant to roleplay, roleplay. Will ya? :cool:
True, to each his own. I want to remove the human trash from the lands and happily kill them all.
Would be nice if we could remove the human taint from the MC's bloodline with some magic ritual...will need generation to breed the taint out otherwise...
Yeah, because he hated her, and she hated him back. There's no comparison with her relationship with MC. Still a huge wild card though, not gonna deny it. But at least, she has a bond with Elis, albeit a fickle one. Alaina does seem to somewhat care for him, but she cares far more for her people. At least in my opinion.
True, i don't like Cass at all, certainly not trusting her. Still she did neither harm the MC nor his family, even as the MC refused to work with her.
If Alania would just let me in the plan, i'd happily help her remove the human trash which needs to go and help the elves.
 

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I honestly never blamed Cass for doing the coup at all I actually was on her side for it just with a little tweaks if they were allowed. I honestly find Alania more untrustworthy than Cass or Isis
 
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Still talking about the same thing like always, don't you people have other things to discuss? Let's talk about something like azalia or zlata who are better or how can we safely impregnant Lia and make her give birth the child.:FacePalm:
Alright bet. Azalia is better. Just like her mother. Even her bloodline is superior. Not to mention, Zlata is the one that wants Elis to abandon his wife and her own mother. Which is actually pretty fucked up. Compared to Azalia who's playing a wholesome game with her mother, Isis, on who's really trying to kill Elis lol.

Azalia is out there trying to protect her papa from her mother's clutches. Meanwhile, Zlata heard the people's comments in this thread and decided it was time to drop her mother as well. Crazy how that works. With Azalia reflecting the people who are scared of Isis in this thread. While Zlata is the people who think Aurora is pretty much useless. Which, if the vision is true, seems to be a valid take after all.

So basically, Azalia better than Zlata. Especially as a daughter. However, in terms of all of Elis children. I would say Selina would overall be the better child. Since she's not only powerful, but tries to interfere in the entities plans for Elis. After her, will possibly be the twins with Sera. Since they also seem to have the ability to perceive Elis through the blood.

As for Lia, we just have to hope that in a few years, she'll overcome her hybrid fever. But it seems like a slim chance. It would be extremely hard for her and borderline impossible to cover up currently. Since Lia legitimately doesn't go outside and doesn't have a husband. So her having children will instantly alert everyone. And Elis can't really cover it up. Unlike with Sera, Elin, Valeria and Josephine who all have/had husbands. Lia doesn't have that net.
 

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What path/choices (so far) do you think will lead to the happiest ending with Cass?

What major decisions do you think you should make/avoid?
 

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What path/choices (so far) do you think will lead to the happiest ending with Cass?

What major decisions do you think you should make/avoid?
Choose the white path by stopping the coup. Then select fix her. That's likely the best thing you can genuinely do for Cass. But if you're actually into her exclusively. The Green Path would likely be your thing. Even though I personally don't think that option is healthy for her mental state.

Green Path means you sided with her before the coup or joined her while in prison. White Path requires that you remain in prison and then defeat her coup attempt. I didn't mention the killing her part before the coup because that defeats the purpose of your question.
 

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What path/choices (so far) do you think will lead to the happiest ending with Cass?

What major decisions do you think you should make/avoid?
Easy.
White path fix her > Green path big sister > Green path partner > White path break her > Red/White path kill her

Only green path is on dispute. Being an equal partner may be better to rein her in. If you are her sub brother, her self-destructive ways may overtake her. Also, Aurora is likely kinder to her, and easier to subdue while Isis is a questionable competition. Courting additional partners like the queen and Elin also adds more friction, better distance yourself from them.
 

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Alright bet. Azalia is better. Just like her mother. Even her bloodline is superior. Not to mention, Zlata is the one that wants Elis to abandon his wife and her own mother. Which is actually pretty fucked up.

Zlata heard the people's comments in this thread and decided it was time to drop her mother as well. Crazy how that works.
It's funny, but the reasons you think Zlata is worse, I see as the same reasons why Zlata is better.
She's better precisely because it's crazy and fucked up.
 
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It's funny, but the reasons you think Zlata is worse, I see as the same reasons why Zlata is better.
She's better precisely because it's crazy and fucked up.
I don't think Zlata is worst because of how she sees Aurora. If anything, Zlata shares a similar view as myself. So we're actually in the same boat here lol. Though, I like Azalia much more than Zlata for other reasons.

Zlata is actually a worse daughter for people who love Aurora. Because her views align with the very people that don't think Aurora is useful beyond having Elis children. She looks down on her own mother and thinks she's worthless. Which basically means Aurora lovers are raising a Aurora hater themselves.

That's why it's funny to me.
 

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I play both wife path Aurora and Isis, as much i like Aurora as wife but the daughter for now Azalia is much better daughter. i like how protective she is even accuse her mother is cheater and trying to betray his father lmao... She is keeper for sure. For Zlata i'm not sure about this one, so far her attitude is not very likeable.
 
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