VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.12] [Lazy Monkey]

[jacu_ZZ_i]

Two weeks from now. Maybe? So around mid to late October.

Can't wait. Really excited for the next update, especially for the possible milf update like Arcadia and Priscilla

 

[storm1105]

How can i kill cass with Isis? I played red path married to Isis but this event never happened

It pretty much starts out like you would on the white Path. Cass proposed the coup and then you say no so she puts you in the dungeon. The cass asks again, say yes that time then Isis will offer to get rid of Cass. Then after you kill Cass you enter the red path. I'm assuming you did the other way to do the red path by allying with that guy whose name I don't remember

 

[Gicoo]

Red Path just means you killed her instead. Either with the Vampy guy or via Isis.

No, you don't have to kill Cass to be on the red path.
Red path just means MC is willing to use force in contrast to the white path.

 

[GibboBtw]

That's the problem. You're not supposed to get angry that's how you lose. Isis wasn't tauting Aurora for fun. Aurora is her rival, Isis was trying to show dominance over her and the way Aurora reacted made it seem like she couldn't control her temper. And Aurora didn't just remove herself from the situation. She got pissed off then stormed away. Queens aren't supposed to act like normal people. When taunted they're supposed to be unconcerned and aloof. If you react negatively to taunts like that it shows that the other person has control over you which is a bad trait for a queen. Thinking it was just about Isis having some fun is misunderstanding the exchange. It was about Isis trying to put her in her place.

I don't see it as a problem at all. I just saw it as making her feel like a more "real" person. As she reacted like a lot of normal human beings would when being insulted and taunted randomly by a "rival". I don't need her to "act like a queen" already or be some master at acting catty. She and Elis can learn to do that together. And yes, even though IMO another reason for her poking Aurora was for fun. The main goal was obviously for Isis to try and pull some mind-game bullshit to get one over on Aurora and appear more "dominant". But it just had the opposite effect for me. As the whole point of the dates and spending time with them both in my mind. Was to figure out which one would make a better wife for Elis first, and then Queen second.

Aurora showed more for me in that regard, as she was rather sweet, kind, caring and submissive. Whereas all Isis showed me outside of being hot, was that she was rather manipulative, catty and a potential giant pain in the arse. I've got no time for stupid mind-game competition bullshit... I just wanted someone nice and sweet for Elis.

So therefore. Aurora >>> Isis.

All day, every day.

bro has Elfdolf Hitler shook

Even I have standards thank you...

 

[dkatryl]

No, you don't have to kill Cass to be on the red path.
Red path just means MC is willing to use force in contrast to the white path.

Im not saying you're wrong, but I dont know of a scenario to be red path and Cass lives.

Either you kill her yourself before coup, you kill her post coup by betraying her with the one vamp, or you have isis kill her post coup be you refused to join.

Pretty sure red path requires Cass to die.

 

[storm1105]

I don't see it as a problem at all. I just saw it as making her feel like a more "real" person. As she reacted like a lot of normal human beings would when being insulted and taunted randomly by a "rival". I don't need her to "act like a queen" already or be some master at acting catty. She and Elis can learn to do that together. And yes, even though IMO another reason for her poking Aurora was for fun. The main goal was obviously for Isis to try and pull some mind-game bullshit to get one over on Aurora and appear more "dominant". But it just had the opposite effect for me. As the whole point of the dates and spending time with them both in my mind. Was to figure out which one would make a better wife for Elis first, and then Queen second.

Aurora showed more for me in that regard, as she was rather sweet, kind, caring and submissive. Whereas all Isis showed me outside of being hot, was that she was rather manipulative, catty and a potential giant pain in the arse. I've got no time for stupid mind-game competition bullshit... I just wanted someone nice and sweet for Elis.

So therefore. Aurora >>> Isis.

All day, every day.



Even I have standards thank you...

I don't really see how getting angry makes either of them "act like a real person" regardless that's not really what we were talking about in the first place. It was about how Aurora being less politically savvy and pretty easily provoked and kind of a pushover and thus would be easier to replace if the option came up and we want to marry someone else like Cass or Elin. Aurora at all interest or well equipped in politics. She was raised with the mind that women should just let the men handle all the politics and her duty as the wife is simply just child rearing compared to Isis who wants to take a more involved role in politics. Isis being your wife is more an investment for her. Aurora is just obeying her father and if she ends up liking Elis that's good for her otherwise doesn't matter


It's fine if you like Aurora more, but that's really not what we were talking about it was pretty much the opposite of that.

I've got no time for stupid mind-game competition bullshit

Mind game bullshit is the point of the game dude. Isis isn't interested in pulling Mind games with Elis though. She's been pretty upfront about her goal and what she wants him to do and outright gives him advice. If anything it's more like she's helping Elis understand mind games from other people.

Aurora showed more for me in that regard, as she was rather sweet, kind, caring and submissive.

Meh. I find submissive to be a boring trait in a woman and prefer women more like Cass. Elin is a much better version of Aurora which is kind of what we were talking about. I'd rather replace Aurora with Elin if I got the chance which would be easy to do with Aurora being a pushover

 

[GibboBtw]

I don't really see how getting angry makes either of them "act like a real person".

It's simple really imo, your point was that Aurora getting upset and storming out. Was somehow "unbeffiting of a queen" and that somehow was a bonus point for Isis.

Whereas Aurora reacting like how I think a lot of people WOULD react. Getting provoked needlessly by a stranger I mean. Actually gave a bonus point to her instead for me. As it felt like she was being real. Rather than Isis, who has been here for what? a day? and is already doing that stupid calculated routine of "I'm gonna be catty and start poking people" shit. That I can't be arsed with in people, and just feels fake on a surface level. I don't care the reason, cattiness is an instant turn off for me and a general eyeroll along with it.

It was about how Aurora being less politically savvy and pretty easily provoked and kind of a pushover and thus would be easier to replace if the option came up and we want to marry someone else like Cass or Elin. Aurora at all interest or well equipped in politics.

Well, first of all. Why does she need to be exactly? is it a requirement for you that the queen HAS to be really politically savvy or what? I don't really care how "savvy" she is tbh. I just want someone, who I think at the end of the day. Will give the greatest peace of mind for my boi Elis. And I think she would end up being a rather popular queen anyway with how honourable, beautiful and kind she is. Fuck being "savvy" at court.

And second, it's funny your entire basis for that she would be "easily provoked" and a "pushover" that could be easily replaced on the throne. Being one scene, where someone who's spent pretty much her entire life being trained in "court etiquette" and learning how to scheme and manipulate people. Managed to rile Aurora up one time...

Mind game bullshit is the point of the game dude. Isis isn't interested in pulling Mind games with Elis though. She's been pretty upfront about her goal and what she wants him to do and outright gives him advice. If anything it's more like she's helping Elis understand mind games from other people.

That may well be the case. But I don't think that means Elis should have a chance to have to deal with that type of shit from his own wife??

The man has enough drama going on in his life. With Alaina, Conrad, Cass, The Elves, The West, The Empire itself, etc etc. So I'm gonna try and give the man at least SOMETHING, that should be drama free in his life. And for me, if you only take how they're presented during the initial meetings, the dates, and what people tell you about them. The greatest chance of that imo, is clearly Aurora and not Isis...

Meh. I find submissive to be a boring trait in a woman and prefer women more like Cass. Elin is a much better version of Aurora which is kind of what we were talking about. I'd rather replace Aurora with Elin if I got the chance which would be easy to do with Aurora being a pushover

I notice how like when we previously discussed Auroras character, AGAIN you only choose to focus on that one submissive trait she has...And ignore the other ones. Which are the primary reasons I am going to pick her 9 times out of 10. Her being submissive is just the giant bow on top. Give me the honourable, sweet, kind and caring wife. Over whatever Isis brings anyday.

 

[Gicoo]

God dammit, we just had a fruitless Aurora vs Isis debate a while ago.

They are entirely different types of women. Would make more sense to compare Iris with Cass and Aurora with Elin or Lia.

Might as well shove the femdom fans in a maledom thread and vice versa and expect them to like its contents.

 

[-d2d-]

Is there any benefit to green path as opposed to white?

Seems like the coup is pretty pointless...

 

[storm1105]

It's simple really imo, your point was that Aurora getting upset and storming out. Was somehow "unbeffiting of a queen" and that somehow was a bonus point for Isis.

Do you really not understand how being easily provoked or easily manipulated isn't a good trait for a person in any position of authority. But its more that I don't see how being able to keep your cool and think before you act means that whoever your talking about isn't a real person. Being able to keep your cool like that is a trait a lot of people have and is trait that can be learned normally because it's a trait that people have to learn. Think about a teacher who works with children. How unprofessional would it be if a teacher was able to be manipulated and easily teased by their students? Your to focused on what you prefer in a woman which isn't what we were talking about. I don't want to restart that argument.

Well, first of all. Why does she need to be exactly? is it a requirement for you that the queen HAS to be really politically savvy or what?

Why wouldn't a queen need to be skilled in politics when she's constantly going to dealing with people at the court. Even in situations where Elis would do everything Aurora would still have some authority as consort as well as occasionally filling in Elis isn't available for any reason. People in the court are also going to try to approach her to get her to get Elis to do stuff. Even when women were completely powerless they still were expected to keep up a certain image. Again I don't really care that you like Aurora better the point wasn't even about Isis. It was about Aurora being easily manipulated and thus not that skilled as a queen

The man has enough drama going on in his life. With Alaina, Conrad, Cass, The Elves, The West, The Empire itself, etc etc. So I'm gonna try and give the man at least SOMETHING, that should be drama free in his life. And for me, if you only take how they're presented during the initial meetings, the dates, and what people tell you about them. The greatest chance of that imo, is clearly Aurora and not Isis...

Dude again, were not talking about which of the two you prefer. I really don't want to restart that argument. I only brought that the whole point in politics is mind games. Aurora not being skilled at that is not a good thing and that at least when it comes to Elis, Isis is very forward about want she wants from him, want she wants him to do and what kind games other people are doing because playing mins games with Elis good for her personal interest. While trying to humiliate and manipulate a potential rival is good for her personal interest

I notice how like when we previously discussed Auroras character, AGAIN you only choose to focus on that one submissive trait she has...And ignore the other ones

Because that's one of the main traits I dislike in love interest and women and is the main thing that makes me rule them out. I don't really care about love interest being kind and sweet. That's why I called her boring before because that just describes so many different love interest and why I compared her to Elin who is also kind and sweet but has more stuff going for her. Being kind and sweet isn't a negative it's just not the main thing I'm going to look for. It's kind of basic love interests need something else besides that to make me interested. I frankly care less about being kind and more about being supportive. Those things overlap but they're not mutually exclusive. They're both supportive but only one is supportive when it comes to politics which again is important for being a queen. Aurora to me is simply just a more boring version of Elin or Lia. I have no problems with either of those two because they both have traits that set them aside from that. Isis had a lot in common with Cass which is why it's weird you dislike Isis but like Cass. The main difference is mostly that Isis is better and politicking but less skilled at fighting. But that whole thing about teasing and mind games stuff that you ruled out is stuff that Cass has been doing from the start, except that Cass is less upfront to Elis about things early on

 

[GibboBtw]

Is there any benefit to green path as opposed to white?

Seems like the coup is pretty pointless...

The benefit is you get more Cass.

 

[Gicoo]

Is there any benefit to green path as opposed to white?

Seems like the coup is pretty pointless...

Not really. Mostly how you want to play Elis. Keeping peace and stability, willing to murder, agreeing with Cass. Speculating, it later may expands on other colors like violet if he alliances with the Southerns or blue if he works with the Northerners. May another benefit in choosing one spouse over another.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Is there any benefit to green path as opposed to white?

Seems like the coup is pretty pointless...

For Elis? It is pretty pointless since he's going to get on the throne regardless. The coup is realistically only for Cass and the other hidden forces out there (Alaina) to attempt to gain power. The green path is foolish to go down though. Not for Cass and her faction, mind you. But for Elis, it's extremely shortsighted to topple a faction you barely know for one that you definitely don't know.

 

[storm1105]

For Elis? It is pretty pointless since he's going to get on the throne regardless.

That's true eventually, but who knows how long it's going to take? It could be year or decades before Elis ever ascended to the throne and what if you already think Regis is a bad ruler? Are you just going to let him continue to make paranoid bad decisions that weaken royal authority for years while passing on opportunities that could strengthen the throne? Coups aren't just about installing a new ruler it's about replacing who was there before. If you're perfectly content with Regis then there is no reason for a coup. If you're not content with him it makes more sense to get rid of him sooner rather than later. Besides Elin I think it was pointed out that Elis isn't actually guaranteed the throne and is one of the reasons for Regis to push for a marriage. If Elis is unsuitable Regis could have it arranged so that the throne passes directly to his grandson rather than going through Elis. Of course if Regis already named Elis the heir then that point doesn't matter. But if he's not the heir and Regis already looks at Elis unfavorably then there is actually a pretty good reason to do the coup. It's also based around how much you trust Cass.

 

[GibboBtw]

Do you really not understand how being easily provoked or easily manipulated isn't a good trait for a person in any position of authority. But its more that I don't see how being able to keep your cool and think before you act means that whoever your talking about isn't a real person. Being able to keep your cool like that is a trait a lot of people have and is trait that can be learned normally because it's a trait that people have to learn. Think about a teacher who works with children. How unprofessional would it be if a teacher was able to be manipulated and easily teased by their students? Your to focused on what you prefer in a woman which isn't what we were talking about. I don't want to restart that argument.

"And second, it's funny your entire basis for that she would be "easily provoked" and a "pushover" that could be easily replaced on the throne. Being one scene, where someone who's spent pretty much her entire life being trained in "court etiquette" and learning how to scheme and manipulate people. Managed to rile Aurora up one time..."

As I said before here. It was one scene dude. It's really quite a reach imo to just write her off as being "easily provoked" and "easily manipulated" after she got pissed off ONE time by someone who is rather masterful at it...

Why wouldn't a queen need to be skilled in politics when she's constantly going to dealing with people at the court. Even in situations where Elis would do everything Aurora would still have some authority as consort as well as occasionally filling in Elis isn't available for any reason. People in the court are also going to try to approach her to get her to get Elis to do stuff. Even when women were completely powerless they still were expected to keep up a certain image. Again I don't really care that you like Aurora better the point wasn't even about Isis. It was about Aurora being easily manipulated and thus not that skilled as a queen

Again, you're basing all this information that she'd be a horrible queen, or at the very least worse at it than Isis. because Isis managed to piss her off one time. That's it. Like, bruh. What do you think she's going to do if she has to hold court and listen to the people or something?? Lose her shit at some guy asking for a new chicken because his died??

I think she would have at least some idea of how to rule, given that she's the only child of a father that has been in charge of the north for a rather long time (by vote, I might add). I really don't see how getting pissed off one time = she has no idea how to be a good queen. I don't think she's just stupid now, and would be clueless at it.

Dude again, were not talking about which of the two you prefer. I really don't want to restart that argument. I only brought that the whole point in politics is mind games. Aurora not being skilled at that is not a good thing and that at least when it comes to Elis.

Same as above, I just really don't think she's going to be AS BAD as you seem to think she will. I'm really not seeing where all this "Aurora is terrible at politics" comes from outside of this one scene with Isis. I think she would make a great queen. One that as I said before, would be able to sway the people and become rather beloved, and be able to manage her duties rather well.

Isis had a lot in common with Cass which is why it's weird you dislike Isis but like Cass. The main difference is mostly that Isis is better and politicking but less skilled at fighting. But that whole thing about teasing and mind games stuff that you ruled out is stuff that Cass has been doing from the start, except that Cass is less upfront to Elis about things early on

I can think of a few reasons. The main one being that on my first blind playthrough back during like 0.5. Isis raised so many red flags in my mind. That plus the fact that she was mutually exclusive with Aurora. I ended up just writing her off for many runs as I couldn't see why I would ever pick her. If I could put Elis on her path as well as Aurora, I probably would have. And then might have ended up liking her more.

As for Cass, I think it was because you get to know her, at least a little bit without any player input really. And as I like to have all routes open during most of my games if I can, at least early on. I went down her path, and I just really felt for her. She's had a lot of fucked up shit happen to her, and she's pretty much never had anybody looking out for her, or rooting for her. Outside of Elis that is. Thanks to a certain elvish woman...That I pray I am going to be able to kill at some point. I think she's an absolute sweetheart at heart. It's just that she's had to bury and hide it to protect herself. So "Fixing her" on the white path is honestly one of the top two? Things that I'm looking forward to seeing play out the most honestly.

The other one obviously being, to commit G E N O C I D E on ELVENKIND...

 

[Brno9090]

GibboBtw the elfic genocide is a dream for you mate, Are you going to kill Alaina even though she did everything for you to be on the throne?

 

[burbero]

GibboBtw the elfic genocide is a dream for you mate, Are you going to kill Alaina even though she did everything for you to be on the throne?

Alaina serves the elves' ambitions more, but I don't blame her. The conditions for elves are terrible, and Elis is a half-elf. I also want to improve the elves' conditions, but first they must pledge their loyalty.

 

[burbero]

Thank goodness for Lazy Monkey! He's a great guy. He created an amazing VN. He releases updates quickly and consistently. I love talking about this game as much as I love playing it.
He's truly a special person.

 

[GibboBtw]

GibboBtw the elfic genocide is a dream for you mate, Are you going to kill Alaina even though she did everything for you to be on the throne?

Yes.

Call it spite or whatever you want. But I'm gonna fucking make her regret a lot of her life choices that led up to this moment. The first one being orchestrating Elis's birth. My boi is NEVER gonna be somebodies puppet or slave on my watch. I mean she does give me similar vibes as The Emperor from BG3. What with how --BG3 EMPEROR SPOILERS-- He puts on this big ol song and dance of being on your side, and wanting your trust to "work with him" But if you just don't believe his bs and refuse him. He drops the facade eventually and just tells you straight up that you're his puppet and that you're going to do what he wants whether you like it or not. Felt something similar from Alaina with her last words to the MC before she flees if you call her out... with the whole "JUST REMEMBER WHAT I KNOW" blackmail vibes to me...Well nah, I'm putting her ass on a cross.

And the second one being how willing to sacrifice people that she is apparently CLOSE WITH. I mean, she is lowkey just a fucking menace that can't be trusted if you just think about it. Take the white path for example and she's responsible, at least in some way for killing 3 of her OWN "friends". She's DIRECTLY responsible for killing one in the form of Cass's Mother and then INDIRECTLY responsible for killing two more. In the forms of Akker and Ludwig. She doesn't give a fuck though. As long as it's for "ELVENKIND"...Well, I'll fucking show her...

By Removing Elvenkind that is...

 

[Brno9090]

GibboBtw I agree with you bro, Alaina is the true danger for me, she does everything for elfic cause and uses Priscilla and cass, she manipulates everyone for her cause and I want very hard to make she response for her crimes to the golden order, she wants to do something to the elf's cause so her life is the price.