VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.12] [Lazy Monkey]

[desmosome]

Why is there so many blank lines of dialogue?

 

[FalconLover420]

Also damn shamn that one of the most beautiful woman in the game "Josephine" just appeared for one chapter and thats it. There was an opportunity to add another scene with her but the patrons chose mother, who already is garaunted abundance of scenes regardless of vote. Maybe she will appear again later, with full belly, but really a shame you only had one proper scene with her that was kinda half arsed with weird angles.

Seraphina over Josephine every day. It's just execution on how LM been handling her scenes.

Example of these scenes:

The thigh sex and literally she doesn't refer that. Second, the you have a demon inside you so I will fuck the shit out of you to save you.... like what as the first official sex scene? (NO I do not count the sex scene when she is sick).

Aker wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. But he was a loyal boy to Elis, and that will be sadly missed. So we do have to avenge our little guy.

Not by killing Cass though or blaming her. She was just manipulated, by the true villain. Whom we should be killing. And I'm not just saying that THIS TIME, because she's an elf (at least mostly not)

A L A I N A.

Ngl while I am with you, I want to know her intentions aside from what we are speculating. What is Alaina's goals? What are her motives? Her background aside from being in the king's past.

 

[With The]

Yeah, i'm not fan how LM handle Seraphina as character. Her motive is just weird lmao...
Like if you want to fuck your son just go fuck him, no need weird reason to do it

 

[Filipis]

Yeah, i'm not fan how LM handle Seraphina as character. Her motive is just weird lmao...
Like if you want to fuck your son just go fuck him, no need weird reason to do it

I guess what LM was trying to convey was a mother who believed her & her son's desire for each other was a series of unfortunate events (her son being banished as a child, returning as a grown man, who upon returning only saw a beautiful woman instead of a mother figure due to growing up without her around).

The (Love) sex scene itself isn't bad, but there was practically no build up to it whatsoever. On the Lust route, MC at least escalated in his encounters with her - whereas on the Love path, she just straight-up decides to fuck MC despite literally pleading with him to end their illicit affair barely 2 updates ago (during 0.8).

 

[FalconLover420]

I guess what LM was trying to convey was a mother who believed her & her son's desire for each other was a series of unfortunate events (her son being banished as a child, returning as a grown man, who upon returning only saw a beautiful woman instead of a mother figure due to growing up without her around).

The (Love) sex scene itself isn't bad, but there was practically no build up to it whatsoever. On the Lust route, MC at least escalated in his encounters with her - whereas on the Love path, she just straight-up decides to fuck MC despite literally pleading with him to end their illicit affair barely 2 updates ago (during 0.8).

At that point if LM was trying to convey that with seraphina, then he should have put together the love and lust into one.
Someone who loves and lusts vice versa and dealing with the internal dialogue that she wants to do it but tries to hold back with love for elis growing as well.

Yeah it makes sense for lust but love is just out of nowhere. best milf out there but we get her like this.

 

[falconhawk223]

Seraphina over Josephine every day. It's just execution on how LM been handling her scenes.

Example of these scenes:

The thigh sex and literally she doesn't refer that. Second, the you have a demon inside you so I will fuck the shit out of you to save you.... like what as the first official sex scene? (NO I do not count the sex scene when she is sick).




Ngl while I am with you, I want to know her intentions aside from what we are speculating. What is Alaina's goals? What are her motives? Her background aside from being in the king's past.

Josephine's scenes aren't great either. Suffers more from bad angles where Elis is blocking everything. And LM didn't do a good enough job of making it seem like she wanted it to happen.

 

[GibboBtw]

Seraphina over Josephine every day.

Preach it brother. they're honestly not even in the same league.

Ngl while I am with you, I want to know her intentions aside from what we are speculating. What is Alaina's goals? What are her motives? Her background aside from being in the king's past.

I mean, if we take her at her word for once, with what she tells us at the end of the current version. She's just all about "The Elven Cause" With everything she's done, being solely for its benefit. Now what that is in her mind exactly, remains to be seen sure.

I think it's probably just going to be some typical happy fantasy world type shit she's imagining. Where we're going to make it so Elves get to live with the same rights as Humans, and everybody lives in peace and happiness together...G R O S S

I'm just really not a fan of how she's handled/handling it though throughout tbh. She should have given more of her reasoning and plans to Elis far sooner, if she wanted him on her side as an equal. Instead of just orchestrating his exile so she could drag him around the country like a puppet. And keeping him in the dark as much as she could. Only giving up ANY information to him, when she's called out for being sus.

She doesn't seem to see Elis as an equal, or as someone to work with. Just somebody she can manipulate from the background for her own causes. And I am rather spiteful when it comes to being made to feel like a puppet. So she's dead.

She's not trustworthy in the slightest, knows too much SENSITIVE information about Elis, and is a general threat to the empire as a whole, as long as she's alive IMO.

SO...SHE'S GOT TO GO.

 

[With The]

Josephine's scenes aren't great either. Suffers more from bad angles where Elis is blocking everything. And LM didn't do a good enough job of making it seem like she wanted it to happen.

Camera angle is LM biggest weaknesses. He consistently ruins good scenes with poor camera angles. So far, I haven't seen a single scene with a good angle, he always manage to ruin every one of them.

 

[storm1105]

Camera angle is LM biggest weaknesses. He consistently ruins good scenes with poor camera angles. So far, I haven't seen a single scene with a good angle, he always manage to ruin every one of them.

I think aside from the Priscilla scene he did pretty good last episode. Most of 0.9 scenes were ok to except Serephine and Elin's. Serephine is the one with the most consistently bad scenes though

 

[falconhawk223]

I think aside from the Priscilla scene he did pretty good last episode. Most of 0.9 scenes were ok to except Serephine and Elin's. Serephine is the one with the most consistently bad scenes though

Priscilla's scene wasn't great but it was better than Lias

And keeping him in the dark as much as she could. Only giving up ANY information to him, when she's called out for being sus.

I mean same thing with Cass though. She keeps in completely in the dark until the last moment. Everyone in this game treats the mc like he's an idiot and no matter what route you're on he basically just goes along with other people's ideas.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Josephine is easily top 10, if not top 5 for me. In terms of just her visual appearance. But yeah, her sex scene was a bit disappointing. While hot in dialogue, the visual presentation diminished it.

Priscilla scene was even worse, actually. With the camera being too far away and the position choices not being the best. Basically making her best features be blocked when those were the highlight. Her thighs, hips and ass? You could barely see until the final position where Elis makes her do a doggy split. Which isn't a hot sex position compared to traditional doggy style or even prone bone. At least, in my opinion. Her tits? Elis is blocking them for the most part. You basically got none of her defining assets.

Seraphina love scene was unfortunate, but her lust scene from the current update was actually great. The camera man said he'll fall back on this one. Hell, he was probably beating off too and told Elis to move his ass.

 

[GibboBtw]

I mean same thing with Cass though. She keeps in completely in the dark until the last moment. Everyone in this game treats the mc like he's an idiot and no matter what route you're on he basically just goes along with other people's ideas.

I think they were different enough for me. With a few them being. First, that she's the MCs Sister, so she's instantly more trustworthy there for me.

Second being that she didn't keep him in the dark ENTIRELY, until the last moment. It felt like at least to me, that she was dropping hints throughout and leading up until that moment to Elis. And then the fact that she CAME TO HIM, and CHOSE to reveal all when she figured Elis would be with her. Unlike Alaina, who never reveals anything until she's called out or is feeling threatened.

Also I just genuinely believed and trusted Cass, when she talks about how she ultimately wants Elis to rule. Even though it does appear to some like she wants be his puppet master. I just trust her more than Alaina, without a doubt.

 

[falconhawk223]

Second being that she didn't keep him in the dark ENTIRELY, until the last moment. It felt like at least to me, that she was dropping hints throughout and leading up until that moment to Elis. And then the fact that she CAME TO HIM, and CHOSE to reveal all when she figured Elis would be with her. Unlike Alaina, who never reveals anything until she's called out or is feeling threatened.

You read the entire thing completely differently from me. For one the main reason why I'm pretty sure Alaina said nothing to Elis is because Cass was like "it's ok I got it" and no not really Cass didn't do anything other than continuously tell Elis to antagonize Regis. The fact that she's his sister makes it worse that she was keeping secrets not better. I can by that Alaina could feel that Elis is not mature or trust worthy enough to handle things

 

[falconhawk223]

Also I just genuinely believed and trusted Cass, when she talks about how she ultimately wants Elis to rule. Even though it does appear to some like she wants be his puppet master. I just trust her more than Alaina, without a doubt.

I really see no reason to trust Cass over Alaina. I think every character who says they want Elis to rule means it, they just want him to rule their way. Elis is a puppet no matter what

 

[GibboBtw]

You read the entire thing completely differently from me. For one the main reason why I'm pretty sure Alaina said nothing to Elis is because Cass was like "it's ok I got it" and no not really Cass didn't do anything other than continuously tell Elis to antagonize Regis. The fact that she's his sister makes it worse that she was keeping secrets not better. I can by that Alaina could feel that Elis is not mature or trust worthy enough to handle things

I'm not talking about JUST the Cass Coup situation. I'm talking about any of her plans for him in general. It's quite clear he's key to whatever it is she has planned. Anybody can see that. But she makes no effort ever to actually involve him as an equal in anything, or even just tell him what's going on, unless she feels she has to.

That's the problem and the big difference between them for me. Cass reveals all, as soon as she feels like she can trust Elis. As she wants him on her side working WITH her. Alaina meanwhile, hasn't revealed jackshit to him. Even though she had this whole situation at the start of the game orchestrated so she could be the one raising and looking after him during his entire childhood.

I really see no reason to trust Cass over Alaina. I think every character who says they want Elis to rule means it, they just want him to rule their way. Elis is a puppet no matter what

Bro, If you just decline Cass's offer. She straight up offers Elis a knife to kill her, then and there. As she sees it as being deserved for being stupid and trusting somebody she shouldn't have. And also seeing that her plans are now likely fucked, as she needed Elis on her side if they were to have any chance of working.

Compare that to Alaina, who when in a similar circumstance of being turned down and called out. Instead flees with a portal (like a coward), but only after threatening the MC with "remember what I know" as if she's gonna try and blackmail him with that knowledge...

It feels clear as day to me at least. That Cass always wanted to work WITH Elis, even in the different paths. Whereas Alaina, instead just wants to control Elis. Like the damn dirty Elf that she is...

Also hello. If you need another reason for trusting Cass over Alaina. Only one of them ever actually FOLLOWED THROUGH on killing someone close to them to further their own goals...Cass threatening to kill Lia, even though she never would. Vs Alaina killing Cass's Mother as soon as she found a better option...It's simple really.

NEVER TRUST AN ELF.

 

[falconhawk223]

I'm not talking about JUST the Cass Coup situation. I'm talking about any of her plans for him in general

So am I, literally all Cass has done this entire time is tell him what to do then keep him in the dark until something important comes up. Cass is always running the show in all their interactions and Elis is basically just going on with it.

Bro, If you just decline Cass's offer. She straight up offers Elis a knife to kill her, then and there

If I recall she doesn't always do that. She only does it if you have enough relationship points. Either way if you say no she still tries to start a coup and Imprision you. I like Cass fine but she really is not any different from Alania in anyway aside from being his sister. If anything Alania is far less involved.

Also hello. If you need another reason for trusting Cass over Alaina. Only one of them ever actually FOLLOWED THROUGH on killing someone close to them to further their own goals...Cass threatening to kill Lia, even though she never would.

One is her sister the other is one's sister the other is some noble woman she barely knows. Cass kills plenty of people because it's convenient and she admits to doing it. She literally admits to getting an alms giver killed for her own benefit.

NEVER TRUST AN ELF.

No matter what fantasy game there is always some dude that thinks fantasy racism is the funniest shit ever, I always just find it annoying. Frankly Alania hasn't really shown any evidence that she's against Elis in anyway. Her keeping him in the dark seems to be more about thinking he's dumb which he kind of is

 

[desmosome]

How do you get elin_mind_reading = 2? I'm doing her path but I only have 1.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

How do you get elin_mind_reading = 2? I'm doing her path but I only have 1.

From what I remember involving that. You have to have Mage and get Cass to lose against her during the truth or dare. After which, you tell the mage at the castle about it. Then later, help her with Lockhart.

I don't check for those things though. So I don't know if that's exactly what will trigger it. If you're on her path, I feel the rest of it will naturally trigger during her events.

 

[GibboBtw]

If I recall she doesn't always do that. She only does it if you have enough relationship points. Either way if you say no she still tries to start a coup and Imprision you. I like Cass fine but she really is not any different from Alania in anyway aside from being his sister. If anything Alania is far less involved.

No. She does. You already have enough points with her if she's invited you to the meeting to begin with. So it basically says to me, that she was, and is all in on Elis working with her. That if he turns her down, she realises it's kind of fucked and is willing to let him kill her. And as for doing it anyway. Well obviously she does, she even tells you she will before she offers the chance to kill her. I mean first of all, she's hellbent on getting revenge against her mothers "killer". And second, she's trying to save the empire from her fathers passivness. So you know her goals pretty quickly, and I respect them tbh. Meanwhile, I don't give a shit about Alaina and her "The Elven Cause"

One is her sister the other is one's sister the other is some noble woman she barely knows. Cass kills plenty of people because it's convenient and she admits to doing it. She literally admits to getting an alms giver killed for her own benefit.

"some noble woman she barely knows." Alaina tells you that they were quite close and rather good friends. I mean the first proof of that is that when she "accidentally" kills her husband. She went straight to Alaina for help. It would be a bit weird if she just went to someone she "barely knows" to help her cover it up imo.

As for Cass. As I said before. I understand and respect her motives for doing so. She's trying to amass her own power in an attempy to try and save the empire in her way. And I'm so down for that and respect it.

No matter what fantasy game there is always some dude that thinks fantasy racism is the funniest shit ever, I always just find it annoying. Frankly Alania hasn't really shown any evidence that she's against Elis in anyway. Her keeping him in the dark seems to be more about thinking he's dumb which he kind of is

Because it is...I've played hundreds and hundreds of games. I've been the goody two shoes hero SOOOO many times. So you can bet your arse that if I find one, that can give me the option to be a little bit of a "villain" and murder the fantasy race I dislike the most, generally speaking. I'm 100% GOING FOR IT, WTF.

Also wait, Is that really what you're going with?...

Elis is too "dumb" for her to be willing share anything with him? Not something like, she doesn't want to burden him with that knowledge. So she'll be his lovely little guardian angel.

No, instead it's just "He's a dumbass..." But he's literally her "grand creation for the future of elvenkind"...

NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR THEM THEN IS IT? IF THAT'S THE CASE.

 

[Filipis]

At that point if LM was trying to convey that with seraphina, then he should have put together the love and lust into one.
Someone who loves and lusts vice versa and dealing with the internal dialogue that she wants to do it but tries to hold back with love for elis growing as well.

Yeah it makes sense for lust but love is just out of nowhere. best milf out there but we get her like this.

I think the intended difference between these two sub-paths for Seraphina is:

• Love: she genuinely falls in love with MC and ends up having his children out of love?
• Lust: she becomes MC's concubine. On this path, she never bears MC any children as she isn't in love with MC, they just use each other for sexual release.

If these aren't the planned endings, then there's no point in having the sub-paths IMHO.