VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.12] [Lazy Monkey]

[watchinglolis]

Isis is fine... for now, while she has to behave. She is way too cunning for her own good, and is very likely going to become a liability in the future like the visions show, heck even the daughter might turn on us according to them. So far the visions haven't lied to us yet, so I fully expect her to turn against us at some point in the future. At least I am quite certain she isn't one of the 2 remaing prophecy snakes so she should be fair game to kill, unlike yandere Elin.

I have a feeling the snakes mentioned are Cass, Elin, and Mom. I think Cass is the path toward deceit/brutality/human dominance, Elin the path of chaos and destruction, and Mom is the path to restoration of elven power/human eradication. The thing that interests me is the balance between the 3 if you try to strive for harmony for both the humans and elves but also strive for keeping your root planted inside the family tree. It drags all over if you want to bang the family but also want to make both elves and humans prosper and truly want something with Elin. Elin would be a blessing on your life if she also wasn't the direct source of the curse glaring you in the face.

 

[HYLIAX]

I wonder if Val is some kind of elven princess or possibly even one of the snakes? If you look at the patreon page, there's a picture of Val sitting in a cage on the tree, in the same tree/cage where Cass shows up if you killed her, I wonder if Val shows up there too if you kill her? Between her comment about MC taking an elven wife, the opening scene being centered around Val, and her being in the main cover art on patreon, seems like she could be more than a side character

 

[Bro In The Game]

Speaking of the 3 snakes

The first snake is Cass, I don't say

But the second snake I think could be Aurora or our daughter and Isis depending on who you choose as your wife, because there is no reason why the scenarios from the beginning of the game until now are all in the direction of marrying Aurora leading to a bad ending, Isis doesn't harm us but the daughter does

The third snake is not sure but could be Mother or someone in the Elf clan who is pulling the strings of recent events, because it's quite unlikely to be Elin because it's hard to imagine her betraying us even if she turns Yandere right?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Actually after reading through the update (White coup, Republic, Side with Conrad, pretend to trust) I don't think those are correct, what with Alaina's revelation and the Serafina/Celestine prophecy.
I believe it actually is.

Cass/Cassandra = Cousin - Daughter of Uncle (the real Regius) who you can see killed by Cass' mom if you view the past.
assumed older half-sister

Elin = Younger Twin Sister

Ophelia/Lia = Younger Sister

Serafina = Mother

Celestine = Aunt/Twin sister of Serafina (Most likely MC's father's elven camp wife.)

Arion = Older Half-Brother/Son of Celestine/Nephew of Seraphina/Twin of Noira/Actual eldest son of the King -
assumed cousin

Noira = Older Half-Sister/Daughter of Celestine/Nephew of Seraphina/Twin of Arion/Actual eldest daughter of the King -
assumed cousin

Priscilla = Cassandra's Aunt - Relation to the MC might as well be (Uncle's Father's Brother's Cousin's Former Roomate)
AKA Absolutely Nothing.

You're entirely late on this, my guy. I'm not even sure why you're responding to a months old post in the first place. You're entire post is basically a copy of what I've already said prior.

In fact, this was posted before the post you even quoted lol.

You know, rereading Alaina talk again. Didn't the ending pretty much hint that the King is also the father of Celestine's children? At least that's where my mind went to on this other playthrough I just finished. Since his lover was an elf and her children were born outside of the forest. And this was before Alaina took away his ability to reproduce. So if those twins are older, chances are, they're the King's as well.



So from this update, if this is true.



Elis, Elin and Lia are the younger siblings/cousins of Noira and Arion. While Cass is Elis, Elin and Lia cousin. Also, it's kind of funny how Noira and Arion got the twin thing going. Their names being just the backwards version of each other. But the Queen and Celestine have completely different sounding names. Pretty much being the only twins like that. It would make more sense for Queen to be named Seraphine over Serafina. Since Celestine and Seraphine pretty much go together.



Anyway, that's my late night thoughts. This family is potentially getting kind of crazy.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I wonder if Val is some kind of elven princess or possibly even one of the snakes? If you look at the patreon page, there's a picture of Val sitting in a cage on the tree, in the same tree/cage where Cass shows up if you killed her, I wonder if Val shows up there too if you kill her? Between her comment about MC taking an elven wife, the opening scene being centered around Val, and her being in the main cover art on patreon, seems like she could be more than a side character

Not to completely ruin your theory, but the cage is the sun cage you can put Val in for stealing the horse. It's something Ludwig suggests Elis do for her crimes. The cage itself is what people use to torture elves that they capture. So Val isn't a snake or elven princess. She says so herself this update. Her bloodline isn't special like Sera, Celestine or Alaina.

Speaking of the 3 snakes

The first snake is Cass, I don't say

But the second snake I think could be Aurora or our daughter and Isis depending on who you choose as your wife, because there is no reason why the scenarios from the beginning of the game until now are all in the direction of marrying Aurora leading to a bad ending, Isis doesn't harm us but the daughter does

The third snake is not sure but could be Mother or someone in the Elf clan who is pulling the strings of recent events, because it's quite unlikely to be Elin because it's hard to imagine her betraying us even if she turns Yandere right?

I'll start by saying this is my own interpretation of it.


The fortune teller at the start states these things at the beginning about the snakes.

1. One tail stretches into your cradle.

2. The second wraps around the throne.

3. The third holds a dagger above the golden crown.

With the recent information, Alaina very well might be the 2nd snake above. Since she manipulates entire events to make sure the King and Elis got on the throne. With her secret being able to completely destroy it. We already know Cass is a snake. She honestly could be any of the above positions. However, if you interpret the cradle as Elis birthplace/place of origin, Which a cradle could be alternately described as. Then that means Cass is undoubtedly the first snake as the cradle would represent the Kingdom which he originates from. Even though it could also apply to Alaina. And her coup can alter said kingdom in 3 different ways. So that would then leave the last snake, which Elin can't be. Both Cass and Alaina influence stretches far. Elin is irrelevant, in terms of her reach and she has no power to influence the crown.

Who's the last snake then? I have no idea currently. Could be our chosen wife or maybe one of our unavoidable kids by them.

 

[Trotritro]

is there any updated multi mod ?

 

[Bro In The Game]

Not to completely ruin your theory, but the cage is the sun cage you can put Val in for stealing the horse. It's something Ludwig suggests Elis do for her crimes. The cage itself is what people use to torture elves that they capture. So Val isn't a snake or elven princess. She says so herself this update. Her bloodline isn't special like Sera, Celestine or Alaina.


I'll start by saying this is my own interpretation of it.


The fortune teller at the start states these things at the beginning about the snakes.

1. One tail stretches into your cradle.

2. The second wraps around the throne.

3. The third holds a dagger above the golden crown.

With the recent information, Alaina very well might be the 2nd snake above. Since she manipulates entire events to make sure the King and Elis got on the throne. With her secret being able to completely destroy it. We already know Cass is a snake. She honestly could be any of the above positions. However, if you interpret the cradle as Elis birthplace/place of origin, Which a cradle could be alternately described as. Then that means Cass is undoubtedly the first snake as the cradle would represent the Kingdom which he originates from. Even though it could also apply to Alaina. And her coup can alter said kingdom in 3 different ways. So that would then leave the last snake, which Elin can't be. Both Cass and Alaina influence stretches far. Elin is irrelevant, in terms of her reach and she has no power to influence the crown.

Who's the last snake then? I have no idea currently. Could be our chosen wife or maybe one of our unavoidable kids by them.

Yeah,
So we have the same idea of 2 snakes, 1 snake is Cass and 1 snake can be Elin's wife or child

I think Cass is the dagger above the golden crown, she always appears with the symbol of a knife and even the first event of Cass and Elis' relationship is related to the knife

As for the cradle symbol, this reminds me of manipulation from childhood, Alaina or Mother, anyway the two of them work together for the Elf race, and I think, this snake will be related to the Elf race which is a part of Elis' origin. I prefer that snake to be Mother, wouldn't the story be much more interesting?

The snake wrapped around the throne, it would be easier to understand that it is the snake that will accompany Elis in ruling and who is more suitable than his wife and children?

That's my own opinion and I really like yours ^^

And my initial thoughts on the snakes are in no particular order, this analysis is my thoughts on your points 1 to 3 ^^

 

[Quetzzz]

I'm probably overthinking things... But wouldn't it have been an option for the MC to not consummate the marriage?
If he doesn't produce a son, then the throne would default to him when the king dies. His father wouldn't have a grandson to declare his heir, bypassing him.

Looking at some other posts, this won't matter in the long run. Yet, the MC knows all of this before he's married, so I'm a bit surprised it doesn't come up. Seeing these posts about the offspring potentially being a snake... Maybe that explains why this option isn't even considered? The child could be mandatory for the story.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I'm probably overthinking things... But wouldn't it have been an option for the MC to not consummate the marriage?
If he doesn't produce a son, then the throne would default to him when the king dies. His father wouldn't have a grandson to declare his heir, bypassing him.

Looking at some other posts, this won't matter in the long run. Yet, the MC knows all of this before he's married, so I'm a bit surprised it doesn't come up. Seeing these posts about the offspring potentially being a snake... Maybe that explains why this option isn't even considered? The child could be mandatory for the story.

I would say Conrad being the King's youngest brother is likely why. If Elis didn't do it, those who don't like him being half elf could've assassinated him and put Conrad on the throne. Mostly as a puppet that they can manipulate. Since he would be next in line as the only remaining male of the immediate family. Obviously, I don't think Elis personally thought this. For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children. But that would've been something he had to worry about if he didn't marry or have children.

 

[risky0]

Sera passed the loyalty test with flying colors. In my opinion, she proved to be the best LI in the game with her unconditional love and loyalty. (The part where Sera helped Mc kill Alaina.)

You'd have to be stupid to kill Alaina. She'll do anything to keep Mc safe and alive. What Alaina did in the past was necessary for Mc to exist today. All Alaina wants is for us to be a fair king. That's my goal in the game too. That's why I find her attractive; it's disappointing that we don't have a romantic relationship.

 

[Quetzzz]

I would say Conrad being the King's youngest brother is likely why. If Elis didn't do it, those who don't like him being half elf could've assassinated him and put Conrad on the throne. Mostly as a puppet that they can manipulate. Since he would be next in line as the only remaining male of the immediate family. Obviously, I don't think Elis personally thought this. For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children. But that would've been something he had to worry about if he didn't marry or have children.

Good thinking! I believe his mother warned him of this scenario. I forgot about that until now. That exposition came at the wrong time for me because I didn't have enough context yet.

For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children.

That, and he's a horny fucker.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

That, and he's a horny fucker.

Just like his father, if we're being honest. Before even getting married, he was blowing elves back out at camp and making bastards. And if it was Celestine among them. He dick down her twin sister, Seraphina after that. Probably intentionally at that and why he agreed with Alaina plan. Elis lust definitely comes from his father as much as it comes from his mother.

 

[Duck Avenger]

For sure. And I'm still hopeful we can fuck her at some point

THIS is real strategic thinking

 

[n00bPanda]

Alaina: I manipulated Sybilla’s view of Regis and she killed him “by accident”.
Alaina: I made anyone who closely knew Regis “disappear”.
Alaina: I took your dad from the dungeon and made him the new king.
Alaina: I made a pact with him so that he would have to marry an elf.
Alaina: I had to kill my good friend Sybilla so that your dad could marry your mom.
Alaina: this marriage was not well received by the vassals so I had to manipulate, blackmail and kill even more people.
Alaina: I arranged your exile so that I could control protect you.
Alaina: I manipulated Priscilla and Cass so that they would kill your father as a revenge for Sybilla.
Alaina: now that you know the whole truth, you trust me right?
MC:

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Dont forget, she was also poisoning him little by little through the years; probably to cease him producing a human heir.

Ah, also, I forgot how she sent oracles to exploit his 'weakness' even more. And killed his mother probably (your grandma). Damn, she really deserves the goblet. Though all that said, I have decided to maintain the "status quo" in my main save since I'd like to get Elves support too. Elis' position is pretty shaky therefore Elves could be a great asset for "dirty works" and they seem to not care about your hybrid blood as much as humans do.

Just like his father, if we're being honest. Before even getting married, he was blowing elves back out at camp and making bastards. And if it was Celestine among them. He dick down her twin sister, Seraphina after that. Probably intentionally at that and why he agreed with Alaina plan. Elis lust definitely comes from his father as much as it comes from his mother.

I truly hope for this to be real.

 

[SoranoParade]

Love the amount of improvement Lazy Monkey has added very well done!

 

[GibboBtw]

I wonder if CH2 is going to go straight into a time skip now or not. I hope not in all cases. As I really need to see the immediate general fallout in court, and especially with Sera and Elin if you had Elis dome the absolute fuck out of Alaina. Also surely this is going to raise the racial tensions out in the world rather high when word gets out that the ONE Elf serving in a higher station, has been brutally murdered by the prince-regent in front of everybody, with a cup.

Looking forward to, but also kinda wondering how LM is going to handle these different world states. As this will surely have a big ripple effect on the world vs say the "maintain status quo" game.

 

[New Kid]

To be honest, that vision said otherwise about Isis. It hints that she won't actually be the issue, if he plays right. Their daughter Azalia very well might be the problem though. And to be frank, I still don't see a need to fearmonger about Isis doing anything like turning against MC. All three visions with Isis and their children outright showed that she isn't going to be a problem in the near or distant future. So I'm not sure why anyone will continue to think negatively and assume she will turn against Elis out of the blue currently. I'm sure there will be instances of Isis going against Elis. But it will be entirely driven by players pushing her in that direction because of their own paranoia.

Also, Elin likely isn't a prophecy snake herself. Neither is Lia, by the way. It wouldn't make sense with recent information. So I don't really see any reason why Elin wouldn't hypothetically be fair game to kill. Not that I'm going to kill Elin or Isis.

In the visions of the future, Isis was never the problem, however, in the worst scenario where you make bad decisions repeatedly, the third vision, where your daughter and Isis are the problem, Isis herself in the vision said so

So, your concern about Isis may be unnecessary

Speaking of Aurora's vision, I'm really curious about the upcoming updates as we head to the North to find out what "Cold-Blooded" really means

Both the white blood vision during the visit to the west and the latest one about Isis that we got allude heavily to the "farmer and viper" tale, even going a little beyond the original to implicate the daughter too. And as I said before the visions haven't been wrong so far so I'm pretty sure she will try to undermine/betray the MC at some point, no matter what we do.

Yeah I'm curious about Aurora's cold blood remark too, at first I just thought she was a very demure girl but maybe there's something more to her personality?

We have mother and son relationship, brother and sister relationship, cousin and cousin relationship but not having a father and daughter relationship? So weird especially as mc have so many daughters in the future.

I wouldn't worry about that, the MC is half elf after all so he's got more than enough time to fu romance his daughters too in the future. Most of them will be quarter elf so they will age faster than him, I just wonder about the kids he can have with elves, since they will be 3/4 elf they will age slower?

 

[falconhawk223]

Both the white blood vision during the visit to the west and the latest one about Isis that we got allude heavily to the "farmer and viper" tale, even going a little beyond the original to implicate the daughter too. And as I said before the visions haven't been wrong so far so I'm pretty sure she will try to undermine/betray the MC at some point, no matter what we do.

I mean this last vision said that it wasn't the serpent that killed him but the serpents children. I interpret that as we don't have to worry about Isis but that Azalia has to potential to be a threat. So was that scene about Azalia's southern blood might be stronger. Also the future visions are pretty dubios. The past ones and present ones were showing us stuff that already happened or was currently happening. The future visions are all just a show based on what Elin's daughter said. They're not perfect representations of the future. We even see that during the last vision with Sera's daughters are both shown killing one another but it's not clear which of the two is the actual killer.

 

[Quetzzz]

I just wonder about the kids he can have with elves, since they will be 3/4 elf they will age slower?

Slower aging only determines the maximum age, not the rate of maturation. An elf and a human at 18 would both look mature; the elf wouldn't still look like a small child.

 

[falconhawk223]

Slower aging only determines the maximum age, not the rate of maturation. An elf and a human at 18 would both look mature; the elf wouldn't still look like a small child.

They also already said that quarter elves are basically just humans