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Well, we know he is Sauron - the depictions do not lie - so he goes into venom shape and eats a bunch of rats before coming back as That elf Mentor to those Galadriel Looking girls:
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What other theories do you guys have
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Well .. the high beings made of light are all as old as time and they have ways to bend reality to their will, so any of the inner circle of the red tirant like MC, his ma, his sisters, possibly his teachers and his guard might know the full story and could, reașistically pick up the reigning mantle in a pintch.
 
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Filipis

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Thanks.
I tried to make a post which consolidates the issues I find with the game.
Hope it didn't come off as too much of a rant to Lazy Monkey lol.

While I agree LM's IC has advantage of speed over GleenXStudio and TessSadist's titles (Snowstorm, Karlsson's Gambit), I see it as a bit of tradeoff.
Snowstorm & Karlsson's Gambit, while their updates take longer to get released, each update size are humungous (while LM's IC update sizes are decent, they're not comparable to the soooooo chunky update sizes to those games).

And another thing with GleenX is, each route has gotten so large in content that each update has been the release of exclusive path; previous update was update for the Bloody Bears clan path, and this coming update is for the Dark Ravens clan path.

Makes me almost wish LM had split the release between each path with separate updates like GleenX does, instead of releasing both paths with largely overlapping content.

Oh well,... I guess at this point, it's all "what could have been" etc (shrugs).
While a decent proposal, I am vehemently against such development practices.

It feels horrible to have to wait "your turn" to play the game, and in the end, I would much prefer that the dev simply release a 'full' update every 6 months than get pieces of it every 2 months - I end up waiting 6 months for my path anyways, at least this way everyone eats at the same time (fair play).

Maybe LM could do another poll on Patreon about this topic some day, would be fascinating to see how the community feels about it.
 

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However outdated it might be, we do have a walkthrough translated by a kind soul,
telling us how this game functions:
The vampire does get to drink the warrior blood,
but MC does not see or feel anything but something strange - kind of like vapire bats dring off of livestock
- the bull or the horse will not feel anything but something strange and not think anything of it.

So yes, Sona does drink from MC as a warrior, but MC is not any wiser, which makes the recap so very correct.
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Queen does have somewhat different dialogues depending on the perks, yet there is no gated conten
Queen’s content doesn’t depend on a perk
Yeah, the LIs don't have any lewd content gated behind a class perk, though the additional scenes with some LIs kinda break pacing for the other paths (Mage MC being the biggest offender in regards to Elin).
 

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While a decent proposal, I am vehemently against such development practices.

It feels horrible to have to wait "your turn" to play the game, and in the end, I would much prefer that the dev simply release a 'full' update every 6 months than get pieces of it every 2 months - I end up waiting 6 months for my path anyways, at least this way everyone eats at the same time (fair play).

Maybe LM could do another poll on Patreon about this topic some day, would be fascinating to see how the community feels about it.
I do understand the "don't want to wait for turn" sentiment for other folks.
I guess for myself given that I'm used to GleenX's and some other devs' games which have the players wait their turn to play, I am okay with it compared to others (I just occupy myself playing other games in the meantime).

With GleenX's Snowstorm, waiting for all three clans (Bloody Bears, Dark Ravens, White Wolves) routes content to all come out at the same time is just not feasible, given that would end up being somewhere between 9 months ~ 1 year of everyone waiting for an update.

Looking at it with IC's perspective though, I think both approaches are doable though (I merely suggested the rotation to make it a slight compromise between LM's speed and content released for each path, but given it's 2 routes, the overall wait time would still be shorter compared to Snowstorm).
 
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I do understand the "don't want to wait for turn" sentiment for other folks.
I guess for myself given that I'm used to GleenX's and some other devs' games which have the players wait their turn to play, I am okay with it compared to others (I just occupy myself playing other games in the meantime).

With GleenX's Snowstorm, waiting for all three clans (Bloody Bears, Dark Ravens, White Wolves) routes content to all come out at the same time is just not feasible, given that would end up being somewhere between 9 months ~ 1 year of everyone waiting for an update.

Looking at it with IC's perspective though, I think both approaches are doable though (I merely suggested the rotation to make it a slight compromise between LM's speed and content released for each path, but given it's 2 routes, the overall wait time would still be shorter compared to Snowstorm).
It's a nice idea but I'm not sure it'll work in the long run, there's currently two routes. In reality however there's meant to be three from what I understand, White, Red and Green. Splitting between two is fine but three would start to get dicey, at least with current dev times. To do what your suggesting they would pretty much have to do the same thing that GleenX does, which isn't necessarily bad. Honestly there isn't a perfect answer, all of them have drawbacks.
 

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Games great a huge improvement over the first game like genuinly shocked by the ambition and execution on display. The writing is loads better and im actually interested in the world at large. Keep up the good work and hope to see this game through.
 

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About the Multiverse... in one of the dreams the MC sees Cass' mother kill the King. Yes, it might have been accidental, but either way, she would be executed for it. Yet, the King is still around, but somewhat different. Maybe in all timelines, that event is true and someone had to fetch a replacement King from another Multiverse world to maintain the throne, and that led to her killing herself a bit later than the scene in MC's vision.
 
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No you can still get content with Elin, for the most part Mage path just extends a few scenes here and there. Maybe one exclusive scene? Don't think so though.
That's a relief. This game has a lot of choice, both a blessing and a curse. I wanted to take Sona but also put a child in Spring
 

Bruce F. Lee

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Finished the update, and some thoughts on it and game in general;

I'm ngl, I like the game. I like it a lot.
But having said that, I do think there are some issues that I can see.
So I'm listing them below.
Now Lazy_Monkey this is not an attack on you in any way, and I'm merely putting these out as constructive criticism which you may use to improve your game going forward;


1) Branching
Now there is no easy solution to this problem. Some devs are just more skilled in this area than others, and I'd say devs like GleenXStudios with his EraStorm Saga games (SandStorm, SnowStorm), or TessSadist with her Karlsson's Gambit game are prime examples of devs who know their stuff with branching and paths.

They're able to provide paths with solid content at least for the main LI paths a player may take or the type of character the MC becomes (for e.g. with Tess's Karlsson's Gambit, player's decisions determine whether the MC gets into the Dom or Sub path).
Each path/route provides a very different yet substantially fulfilling experience.

But with this game, I find that the dev seems to be.....struggling with this.

We had a Major branch set with Cass's coup.
Now, I didn't bother choosing "Kill Cass option" (just couldn't bring myself to do it), so my 2 paths are Green Crown (join Cass), & White Crown (oppose Cass).

Since doing that, I thought these two paths will play out very different.
Alas, that was not the case.
With the update in December (which I somehow missed and didn't play until January lol) the update with the aftermath of Cass's coup, I played through the Green Crown route first.
I took some time reading so that took a bit of time.

However with my White Crown save, I used ctrl fast skip to whizz past all the dialogues and parts I've already seen.
And I was surprised that 97% of the White Crown save's aftermath played out exactly as same as Green Crown save's aftermath.
Other than the 2 or 3 scenes difference (which took like 1 minute or so, even with my slow reading), the entirety of going through the White Crown for v0.7 part 2 update (I think I got the number right, the December update) took literally 5 minutes.

And then v0.8 update came out.

Again, I went through the Green Crown path first.
While the story was good, I found Cass's involvement in the story way less than I was hoping for.
There were tons of Queen Seraphina & Elin, Catalina, Josephine scenes but other than little bit in the beginning (where she wasn't allowed in Lord Argus's meeting) and that trip to Black Pit towards the end, there was very little of Cass.
It was Cass who in the previous update insisted to MC that she be present at his meeting with Lord Argus, so why didn't she meet up with MC right afterwards and ask him what happened? Also, what has she even been doing all that time from when she was refused entry to Argus's military meeting in the opening till meeting MC for go to the Black Pit?
It also made me think that MC had completely forgotten about Cass during that time.

Kinda ironic, given this is Cass Green Crown path, and it feels like she's in it......less compared to other characters.


Now with the White Crown path, I noticed there was literally no new content with that path.
Ctrl fast skip and I was already at end of update screen in 3 minutes since it was basically Green Crown Path minus Cass scenes.
Not to mention significant characters seem to act almost exactly the same with the White Path as they do with Green Path.

In the end, there's no easy solution to this.
One way might be taking a look at games of devs who do good branches and learn, but even that's no guarantee for success cause how each dev constructs story is different.


2) Multiverse
Before we get into this topic, I'm gonna be honest.
I am sick and tired of the multiverse.
The concept has been done to death in modern media lately, with MCU, other movies and different fiction.

So I wasn't a fan when the dev introduced the idea of multiverse with Elin.
And...... I am still not a fan.

I mean, is there even point to having multiverse arc with Elin in the first place?
Cause to me, that just feels like an unnecessary side story which has no influence whatsoever with MC's own story.
Even if that plotline was deleted, game's main storyline would work just fine.

Unless that storyline breaches heavily into the main storyline and actually changes direction of MC's saga of him ruling his Empire, I dunno perhaps I'm in the minority in this, but all of it just feels like is a waste of time and resources which could be better spent elsewhere (like having more path specific content for each route, instead of largely overlapping scenes).



3) Sex scenes
(tbh, this isn't as major as the first 2 issues I listed, but I thought, "Oh well, might as well. lol")
Others have pointed out as well, but I think the sex scenes could use some improvement.

Too many of your scenes you have the MC cumming in the LIs, and the angle of the scene is where it's always seen on the side and not in any direct view, with only cum trickling down the LI's legs seen after the act is done.

I'd say use of good angles is important, such as;

- back
- side
- front
- closeups of sex during and afterwards (of MC's dick and LI's pussy still connected when MC cums as well as when he takes his dick out, cum dripping from LI's pussy). Every single one of these 4 are important, but I'm guessing folks will enjoy this last one most.

Cause so-far, the sex scenes have been just very..... meh for most part (honestly? It feels like too many of the sex scenes use obscured angles and far away wide shots when they should be much closer)
And I have seen enough of how other devs do their games' sex scenes to understand what kind works in getting attention and what doesn't (and I'm guessing that's same for a lot of other player who tried out several AVN games as well).
I too hate the multiverse arc. It breaks up the main story and, so far at least, has provided no payoff. Maybe the multiverse has something to do with mirror?
 
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