VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.8] [Lazy Monkey]

[joolfoold]

On the "White" routes, it seems that there will be three main approaches to handling the West:

• Support the Nobles: The West remains a feudal society under the rule of the new Golden Empire.
• Support the Rebels: The West transitions into a republic, negotiating an agreement that grants them some autonomy while still remaining under imperial control.
• Enforce a Truce: A compromise is reached where the nobles retain power, but some rights are granted to the people, potentially forming a Merchant-Aristocratic Republic similar to the system that there is in the North. This option may be the most strategic, as it minimizes bloodshed and preserves both troops and population, which could be crucial for the empire’s future.

On the "Green" and "Red" routes i am still unsure if the options to "Enforce a Truce" or "Support the Nobles" will be available, i think maybe not.

 

[joolfoold]

I doubt it would be any different on red and Green. Both Red and Green want the empire restored and all options help towards that.

It seems that the current endings of the Green and Red paths will inevitably lead to the overthrow of the West’s rulers. If that happens, some character deaths will be unavoidable, and in the grand scheme, troop losses from this conflict may be significant.
Also on another note, I wonder if there will be an opportunity to encounter the wife we didn’t choose.

 

[Zakharova]

Wait... you mean that wasnt already the planned 'canon' path?

I mean, why *else* would you have the option to spare the mother and bring her with you?

Yes! The cherry on top will be forcing Lockhart to drink white blood and have a bad trip while we impregnate his mother. But those are just possibilities.

 

[Youtiy]

I doubt it would be any different on red and Green. Both Red and Green want the empire restored and all options help towards that.

Considering how I'm fairly sure that Red route is meant to be the whole "Reclaim your empire by blood and sword" path I really doubt peace will be an option and if it is will be heavily discouraged. As for Green ... well depends how Cass is feeling on that day and whether she gives in to murderous impulses.

 

[storm1051787]

Considering how I'm fairly sure that Red route is meant to be the whole "Reclaim your empire by blood and sword" path I really doubt peace will be an option and if it is will be heavily discouraged. As for Green ... well depends how Cass is feeling on that day and whether she gives in to murderous impulses.

The only difference between the red and green empire routes is Cass. It's not supposed to be just blood and sword

 

[kkuroky]

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Will there be a Priscilla scene? Wondering if somehow her "execution" can become other things? if you know what I meant hehe

 

[Youtiy]

The only difference between the red and green empire routes is Cass. It's not supposed to be just blood and sword

Honestly it's very different, your speaking from what we've seen so far but in reality the situation is very different. In one Cass is by our side whispering into our ears influencing our decisions, she is after all manipulative. In the other your choices are your own. Of course that's also not accounting from the difference in political position your in which's also drastically different.

 

[storm1051787]

Honestly it's very different, your speaking from what we've seen so far but in reality the situation is very different. In one Cass is by our side whispering into our ears influencing our decisions, she is after all manipulative. In the other your choices are your own. Of course that's also not accounting from the difference in political position your in which's also drastically different.

Exactly, the red path is just the green path, but without cass influencing you. So I don't see how peace wouldn't be an option in the red path if the player wants it.

 

[Youtiy]

Exactly, the red path is just the green path, but without cass influencing you. So I don't see how peace wouldn't be an option in the red path if the player wants it.

It's to do with idea behind it, Red Emperor path is from what I understand supposed to be you imitating or at the very least following in the footsteps of your ancestor, the one that built the Empire to begin with. Which he most certainly did not build with peace.

 

[Gicoo]

Really good concept, the humor and writing (despite being overly literal due to bad translation) is its greatest strength to keep it ongoing.

Main flaws in the execution is that most of the game is close to cinetic novel approach and fairly bland op MC be able to fuck everything without much adversary and consequences. Impregnating every third girl loses its charm quick. There is barely a reward for not fucking someone, neither is there a reward for faithfullness/sticking to one girl. Decisions would have more weight if advantages and disadvantages arise (you can only fuck one of two, characters die if one favor is choosen etc.), instead, there is usually one ideal choice and the other are fairly empty.

The main love interest are in the family, but aside from Cass, none of them have much variance and agency, they hardly comply and don't change or adverse to the plot. I wanted to like the wives, but they also don't do much (maybe later), Iris seems like a Cass downgrade, despite technically being even more ruthless.

Ideally, romancing your family actually influences MCs rulership accordingly. And, aside from Cass(again), the romances don't have much variance. MC either loves Erin or he doesn't there are not variances in who is in control, Erin doesn't change her stance if MC participated in the coup etc. Iris and Aurora have technical variances of love, but as of now it barely affected the sex scenes and dialogues.

TLDR, if every love interest got worked in the story branches as detailled as Cass, the game would be outstanding.

 

[joolfoold]

Exactly, the red path is just the green path, but without cass influencing you. So I don't see how peace wouldn't be an option in the red path if the player wants it.

Because thats the point of the "Red" path. Blood, blood and more blood

 

[storm1051787]

Because thats the point of the "Red" path. Blood, blood and more blood

That's not the point of the red path. The point of the red path is that you're in charge

 

[Youtiy]

That's not the point of the red path. The point of the red path is that you're in charge

As oppose to the White path where your also in charge? What? I'm sorry but your point here doesn't make sense, you hold no more power in the Red compared to the White path.

 

[storm1051787]

As oppose to the White path where your also in charge? What? I'm sorry but your point here doesn't make sense, you hold no more power in the Red compared to the White path.

The point of the white path i that you didn't go through with the the coup at all but launched a rebellion and took power that way. Verses the red path where you usurp the cope and are more capable of using underhanded methods, like having your wife assassinate someone.

There is lterally zero reason why you wouldn't be able to launch a trope on the red path. If anything it would be the white path that forces you to choose a side and the red path would be more the path to pick neither and swoop in after they've already fought and force your demands

 

[Youtiy]

The point of the white path i that you didn't go through with the the coup at all but launched a rebellion and took power that way. Verses the red path where you usurp the cope and are more capable of using underhanded methods, like having your wife assassinate someone.

There is lterally zero reason why you wouldn't be able to launch a trope on the red path. If anything it would be the white path that forces you to choose a side and the red path would be more the path to pick neither and swoop in after they've already fought and force your demands

You do understand that what we did in the White path isn't a rebellion right? You quite literally put down an attempted Coup, you are about as far from a rebellion as you could possibly be. Back on topic though, there's nothing stopping you from using underhanded methods in the White path, it's not like you've got a universal law stating that only this one specific person can assassinate people, nothing's stopping you from having someone killed via other means. For example

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As for your last statement, I can only really be confused on your thought process. You do understand that the path's affect more than just how the Coup play's out right? The Coup is just the most obvious one so far, reading other parts of the game before that choice give you more information to do with it. Primarily the fact that the different paths are represented by the two voices in your head with the third being unknown at present, Red being as I said in my last message The Red Emperor. If you wanted a peaceful approach you should be on the White path, because I don' t know about you but personally I view using a Coup to take power as violent and rather lacking in diplomacy. Don't know, might just be me.

 

[storm1051787]

You do understand that what we did in the White path isn't a rebellion right? You quite literally put down an attempted Coup, you are about as far from a rebellion as you could possibly be. Back on topic though, there's nothing stopping you from using underhanded methods in the White path, it's not like you've got a universal law stating that only this one specific person can assassinate people, nothing's stopping you from having someone killed via other means. For example

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As for your last statement, I can only really be confused on your thought process. You do understand that the path's affect more than just how the Coup play's out right? The Coup is just the most obvious one so far, reading other parts of the game before that choice give you more information to do with it. Primarily the fact that the different parts are represented by the two voices in your head with the third being unknown at present, Red being as I said in my last message The Red Emperor. If you wanted a peaceful approach you should be on the White path, because I don' t know about you but personally I view using a Coup to take power as violent and rather lacking in diplomacy. Don't know, might just be me.

It's quite literally a rebellion. Cass and her supporters had full control of the court and the palace, you escape gather support and fight against her. That's the definition of a rebellion.


The red vs white vs green has literally nothing to do with your methods. Green path and Red path are literally the same thing but one is under cath's influence and the other is you making your own choices while white is simply just the player not making any underhanded tactics to achieve their goal, vs the ends justify the means reasoning of the other two.


Also no, using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all. Unless your simply just supporting a pre existing plan for a coup, which is not only direct diplomacy but also involves a lot of diplomacy skills.


But the white emperor path is not supposed to be the "peaceful approach" path and the red Emperor is not supposed to be the "bloodshed path". It's just about your morals in regard to how you rule.

 

[Youtiy]

It's quite literally a rebellion. Cass and her supporters had full control of the court and the palace, you escape gather support and fight against her. That's the definition of a rebellion.


The red vs white vs green has literally nothing to do with your methods. Green path and Red path are literally the same thing but one is under cath's influence and the other is you making your own choices while white is simply just the player not making any underhanded tactics to achieve their goal, vs the ends justify the means reasoning of the other two.


Also no, using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all. Unless your simply just supporting a pre existing plan for a coup, which is not only direct diplomacy but also involves a lot of diplomacy skills.


But the white emperor path is not supposed to be the "peaceful approach" path and the red Emperor is not supposed to be the "bloodshed path". It's just about your morals in regard to how you rule.

Alright, let's get one thing out of the way. The definition of a rebellion, a Rebellion is an armed action against a Government or State, Cass is neither of those. She is a usurper who forcefully took power under false pretenses and with military force therefore it is quite literally not possible to mount a rebellion against her. What you did however do is act like a good little loyalist and fought back against someone attempting to usurp the throne, this isn't a debate this is a simple fact. Cass had taken control of the capital and literally nothing else at this stage, she did not cement her position of power nor did she have control of the country therefore she isn't leading the nation.

As for your second point, to a limited extent your right. You still have freedom of choice, however of the two paths red is far more violent and bloodthirsty when compared against the White path, with the White path you are realistically following the laws of the nation and are the lawful leader, in neither of the other ones are you where you should be at all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if we got path specific options for the Red path which're far more brutal then the other two as that despite what you seem to believe is what it's there for.

I'm honestly not to sure what you were trying to say with your third.

using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all.

I'm guessing you completely missed the sarcasm in what I said somehow but I guess I can explain it directly. I was using it to lead further credence to my statement that the Red path was one of warfare and bloodshed not peace since as you so aptly put Coups do indeed have nothing to do with diplomacy, funnily enough armed takeovers aren't diplomatic.

 

[storm1051787]

Alright, let's get one thing out of the way. The definition of a rebellion, a Rebellion is an armed action against a Government or State, Cass is neither of those. She is a usurper who forcefully took power under false pretenses and with military force therefore it is quite literally not possible to mount a rebellion against her. What you did however do is act like a good little loyalist and fought back against someone attempting to usurp the throne, this isn't a debate this is a simple fact. Cass had taken control of the capital and literally nothing else at this stage, she did not cement her position of power nor did she have control of the country therefore she isn't leading the nation.

As for your second point, to a limited extent your right. You still have freedom of choice, however of the two paths red is far more violent and bloodthirsty when compared against the White path, with the White path you are realistically following the laws of the nation and are the lawful leader, in neither of the other ones are you where you should be at all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if we got path specific options for the Red path which're far more brutal then the other two as that despite what you seem to believe is what it's there for.

I'm honestly not to sure what you were trying to say with your third.

I'm guessing you completely missed the sarcasm in what I said somehow but I guess I can explain it directly. I was using it to lead further credence to my statement that the Red path was one of warfare and bloodshed not peace since as you so aptly put Coups do indeed have nothing to do with diplomacy, funnily enough armed takeovers aren't diplomatic.

Cath is control of the Government. Capital and the court are synonymous and is the seat of power for the ruling class, and where they make all their decisisons. It doesn't matter that she took control of it earlier in a coup. She still had complete control. Being a usurper or not is completely irrelevant to whether or not something is a rebellion. Nor does it matter whether the people supporting you are loyalists to the old regime or not.




Second the reason why coups don't have anything to do with diplomacy is because diplomacy is about foreign policy, not court politics. It doesn't matter whether you take control through a coup or through legitament means. Neither involve diplomacy. Making a deal with either a foreign lords or their rebelling vassals both are diplomacy.


And you can keep insisting that the red path is the blood shed path all you want. It's not what the actual game presents itself as, but rather you using any method to stay in power. You taking control from cath is not a blood bath but the result of deception and cass being posioned if you have Isis kill her. The red path would be more stuff like that, back stabbing and espionage if it's suited towards your goals. It's not supposed to be the brutal path and you don't achieve the path in the first place by brutal methods.


The white path is more bloody than the red path is. Because in the red path you're just going along with everything then backstabbing your way into power, vs the white path where you are directly using military might.

 

[Youtiy]

Cath is control of the Government. Capital and the court are synonymous and is the seat of power for the ruling class, and where they make all their decisisons. It doesn't matter that she took control of it earlier in a coup. She still had complete control. Being a usurper or not is completely irrelevant to whether or not something is a rebellion. Nor does it matter whether the people supporting you are loyalists to the old regime or not.




Second the reason why coups don't have anything to do with diplomacy is because diplomacy is about foreign policy, not court politics. It doesn't matter whether you take control through a coup or through legitament means. Neither involve diplomacy. Making a deal with either a foreign lords or their rebelling vassals both are diplomacy.


And you can keep insisting that the red path is the blood shed path all you want. It's not what the actual game presents itself as, but rather you using any method to stay in power. You taking control is from cath is not a blood bath but the result of deception and cass being posioned if you have Isis kill her. The red path would be more stuff like that, back stabbing and espionage if it's suited towards your goals. It's not supposed to be the brutal path and you don't achieve the path in the first place by brutal methods.

Alright, this is going to be my last message on the subject since we're just running in circles, I'm not going to address the path's anymore just your incorrect understanding on how rebellion works.

By that very same logic let's say your a king and another country invades yours, they take your capital. By your logic if you fight back then it's a rebellion. I don't think I have to explain why that's absurd.

 

[storm1051787]

Alright, this is going to be my last message on the subject since we're just running in circles, I'm not going to address the path's anymore just your incorrect understanding on how rebellion works.

By that very same logic let's say your a king and another country invades yours, they take your capital. By your logic if you fight back then it's a rebellion. I don't think I have to explain why that's absurd.

That is not what a rebellion is. It does not matter how the person you are launching a rebellion against took control. All that matters is that you are launching a counter force against whoever is currently in charge.

And yes. If a king fully annexes your country and you gather supporters to the old regime to retake power that's still a rebellion. If the previous king gets deposed and then gathers support to retake the crown it's a rebellion. The only way it wouldn't be a rebellion is if the previous king is still in charge and him and his vassals simply just retreated to another stronghold which isn't what happened here. Here the old king is in a coma and cass and her supporters are in charge of the government.

A rebellion is literally just an opposing force taking power from whoever is in charge and you're overcomplicating it by whether or not the regime took power legally which doesn't matter.