Gicoo

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I still don't like the father.
Sure, but his entire purpose is that he is weak ruler who needs to be replaced by amazing MC. If you root or feel sorry for him or regret his death in any sort of way, he has missed his purpose.

If he was competent, we wouldn't have MC's upbringing and rise.
 
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Sherengroth

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Sure, but his entire purpose is that he is weak ruler who needs to be replaced by amazing MC. If you root or feel sorry for him or regret his death in any sort of way, he has missed his purpose.

If he was competent, we wouldn't have MC's upbringing and rise.
that doesn't excuse him, you can be a moraly or physically ore even both weak ruler and still be a good person. just because someone's health is failing doesn't excuse a person who was a piece of shit when they weren't weak. there has been plenty of good stories, movies and tv shows that had a king or boss who was in bad health but were still good person, and good parents. just like there were kings, and bosses who were bad/feared as a ruler but was beloved by his family, just because he wasn't in the best in health or wasn't the best in ruling, doesn't mean he needs to be a shit father. some times a heir needs to have the best father to be a perfect role model.
 

Gicoo

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some times a heir needs to have the best father to be a perfect role model.
MC is a very flawed person, so naturally he had fucked up mentors. The game is hardly a tragedy with MC being a golden boy who had the best prospects to be a king and only well intentioned guidances. He wasn't even born out of love, but by a political marriage between two races, with both of them having diffrent agencies. Almost everyone wants to use him, including his father.

It's not like you are wrong in your assessments, it just isn't relevant for the intended story. Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
 
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MC is a very flawed person, so naturally he had fucked up mentors. The game is hardly a tragedy with MC being a golden boy who had the best prospects to be a king and only well intentioned guidances. He wasn't even born out of love, but by a political marriage between two races, with both of them having diffrent agencies. Almost everyone wants to use him, including his father.

It's not like you are wrong in your assessments, it just isn't relevant for the intended story. Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
it could have also .been worse though too. the king or mc could've been jake or logan paul.:KEK:
 

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MC is a very flawed person, so naturally he had fucked up mentors. The game is hardly a tragedy with MC being a golden boy who had the best prospects to be a king and only well intentioned guidances. He wasn't even born out of love, but by a political marriage between two races, with both of them having diffrent agencies. Almost everyone wants to use him, including his father.

It's not like you are wrong in your assessments, it just isn't relevant for the intended story. Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all. He was simply dealt a shit hand, because his father was the Red Emperor, and inherited from him an Empire that was collapsing. To salvage the unity and keep the peace, he married an elf woman to show his "progressive" stance (even if he really wasn't).

Now, MC is actually the weaker ruler of the two, as throughout the entire game, his actions were influenced by a third-party since the beginning - which is one of my main grievances with the game; MC essentially being everyone's puppet, and incapable of making some major decisions on his own. It's either Cass or Queen whispering in his ear. But alas, those are my reservations and don't reflect the quality of the writing as is. On that note, it is a little bit ironic that he is so susceptible to outside influence, much like the father he is laughing about.
 

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I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all. He was simply dealt a shit hand, because his father was the Red Emperor, and inherited from him an Empire that was collapsing. To salvage the unity and keep the peace, he married an elf woman to show his "progressive" stance (even if he really wasn't).

Now, MC is actually the weaker ruler of the two, as throughout the entire game, his actions were influenced by a third-party since the beginning - which is one of my main grievances with the game; MC essentially being everyone's puppet, and incapable of making some major decisions on his own. It's either Cass or Queen whispering in his ear. But alas, those are my reservations and don't reflect the quality of the writing as is. On that note, it is a little bit ironic that he is so susceptible to outside influence, much like the father he is laughing about.
I hope that we make some decisions that are not influenced by a third party. For example bringing Cass, the Queen, Alaina and others to heel.
 
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sweetsix66

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Game wanted a weak disposable ruler who gets assassinated to make place for MC and you don't feel bad or sorry about it.
Disagree Regis never was a weak ruler. He overthrowed Red Emeperor set up his brother and got the throne despite being second son. Could minimize damage from collapsing empire, ensured long peace, solved elf crisis and tried to forge new alliances. All his actrions as a king were pretty good. As he got infirm and reclusive with aging it's unfortunate but kind of natural.
 

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I don't think Regis was a weak ruler at all.
Disagree Regis never was a weak ruler.
I meant exclusively the period of time he is in the game, not his glorious past. He could be as amazing as ever, by the time MC meets him, he is at deaths doorstep, dispassionate, surrounded by several factions that wants him gone without any true supporters, and ill.
 

Filipis

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I meant exclusively the period of time he is in the game, not his glorious past. He could be as amazing as ever, by the time MC meets him, he is at deaths doorstep, dispassionate, surrounded by several factions that wants him gone without any true supporters, and ill.
Well, that still doesn't qualify him as a weak ruler. He's gotten old, and maybe even paranoid. He failed as a father, but not necessarily as king.
 

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Well, that still doesn't qualify him as a weak ruler. He's gotten old, and maybe even paranoid. He failed as a father, but not necessarily as king.
He is reclusive, the council either disregards him or plans to plot against him. It's spelled out that he can't handle the current politics and became desperate and demented, he rules by resorting to seek seers for signs.

Don't get this debate. He is obviously set up as the current frail old, failing order that inevitable will be replaced (Cass merely sped it up), conveniently by the MC, who just happened to return at the capital at the start of the game. Its a classic setup used in tons of media.

If he was still competent, he would've survived Cass clumsy plot or at the very least it the game would make an effort to tell us how tragic his demise is and how it brings the kingdom to his ruins. Instead, his removal is portrayed as step forward and enables MC to advance.
 

Filipis

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He is reclusive, the council either disregards him or plans to plot against him. It's spelled out that he can't handle the current politics and became desperate and demented, he rules by resorting to seek seers for signs.

Don't get this debate. He is obviously set up as the current frail old, failing order that inevitable will be replaced (Cass merely sped it up), conveniently by the MC, who just happened to return at the capital at the start of the game. Its a classic setup used in tons of media.

If he was still competent, he would've survived Cass clumsy plot or at the very least it the game would make an effort to tell us how tragic his demise is and how it brings the kingdom to his ruins. Instead, his removal is portrayed as step forward and enables MC to advance.
Yes, Regis' final years were controversial, and he was a terrible king during those times.

But it doesn't mean his overall rule was weak. The man managed to keep the Empire from tearing itself apart - that's pretty damn impressive, considering his predecessor.

MC is considered a hope for this kingdom, but keep in mind those calling him the hope are also the ones whispering in his ear and seek to manipulate him while on the throne; they want to entrench themselves deeper into his circle than any seer ever did with Regis (who was discarding them one after another).

MC is in a far worse position than his father, as he is naive and inexperienced at being a ruler; Regis was an experienced diplomat at the very least.
 
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Gicoo

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But it doesn't mean his overall rule was weak.
That's irrelevant. I specified that I was refering to the current time at the start of the game, since that is the only time MC and we the player directly know and in which we interact. Old king doesn't need to be likeable and its very classic writing to make him failable, because we selfinsert as MC and strive to replace him quite quickly. So it would be against the games interest if the old king was overly likeable and competent (at the current time of the game, I seemingly have to specify).
 

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Literally nothing sayng that ther than a baseless accuastion from you're daughter. Who is only says that because she goes outside a lot. There's no benifit Isis could have from starting a coup.
Actually, a lot of people are worried about ISIS, including Elis. For example, if you get help from Isis to overthrow Cassandra, the southern soldiers will be stationed in the palace, creating pressure and a threat. Elis and her teacher were talking about it. The old man said that you are safe until you have a child, but after that, you have to solve the problem yourself.

What about Elis's vision? Even his daughter suspects him and accuses him directly.

Isis has been putting on an act from the beginning. She wore red at the wedding to gain public support.
 

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Actually, a lot of people are worried about ISIS, including Elis. For example, if you get help from Isis to overthrow Cassandra, the southern soldiers will be stationed in the palace, creating pressure and a threat. Elis and her teacher were talking about it. The old man said that you are safe until you have a child, but after that, you have to solve the problem yourself.

What about Elis's vision? Even his daughter suspects him and accuses him directly.

Isis has been putting on an act from the beginning. She wore red at the wedding to gain public support.

Isis is dangerous, that's for sure, and I'm pretty sure she'll end up enacting her promise to deal with any bastards we're siring. But the truth in the end is that no man (or woman) rules alone. She want power, and exercing it at the side of a reliable and strong husband and emperor is imo good enough for her. She need us for her grasp on power, and even playing the widowed regent it would be extremely hard to keep power.

"Woe to the country that is ruled by a child, and whose princes feast in the morning"
 
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